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jokey77

jokey77

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Juggs said:
I really think Goki and Warden are the best two characters in the game.
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Juggs said:
My tier list

A+
Shugoki, Warden, PK

A
Warlord, Kensei, Nobushi

A-
Conq, Orochi

B+
Raider, Berserker

B
Valk, Lawbringer

I don't have a lot of experience with every character but this is my first impression tier list. What do y'al think?

Kensei and Nobushi might be A+ as well, or at least in A while the others are A-. Both can't really be guard broken after a parry, and both have good range with Nobushi having the best. Plus Nobushi's damage and bleed is crazy.

Also, Valk can do some crazy loops and damage. I just haven't really gone against a lot of good ones so don't know too much about her.

This is just my opinion. I welcome all CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, lol.
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I would go

Warden > Kensai > Shugoki > Warlord > PK > Valk > Nobushi > rest

... I just started playing Kensai and his 3rd hit mindgame is such a great mixup that can be started from far away. In combination with his dash-grab this is just great. I also think, that he is pretty underrated.
 
Darumm

Darumm

Noob
Evil Canadian said:
I appreciate what you write but its all just the basics. Kensei has the slowest dash attack, if you block kensei's side attack you get a free guardbreak. Kensei is too relient on feinting to get anything going, which in course takes up too much stam, which in course means your offense time to be "on" is much less than the other classes.
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Yes, he does take up too much stamina to keep the offense, but I don't think he is intended to be much time on offense.

Would you like to do some duels? I'd like to test myself.
If you do, feel free to add me PSN: Darumm-AR
 
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Evil Canadian

Evil Canadian

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Darumm said:
Would you like to do some duels? I'd like to test myself.
If you do, feel free to add me PSN: Darumm-AR
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Sure duels are great glad to play against anyone in tym, but fair warning my sleep schedule is fucked lately and when I am on its like 3 am EST.


CrazyFingers said:
You honestly might be right. Lawbringer is being slept on for sure regardless. Like putting push aside, have you played against someone that uses Back+Guardbreak effectively? Cuz that move is actually dumb when it hits.
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Lawbringer is the other class I play and the backguardbreak has a use in duels, and its mostly to train people dodge after the shove. The move is easily dodged and you only get top light guaranteed off it, buttttttt once people are trained to sidestep it becomes reflex rather than reaction and then guardbreaks become free again cause they can't tech while sidestepping. That said I wouldn't do it against the dash-attack classes cause they just blow it up for free. Lawbringer also has tech to blow up backroll after shove and its guaranteed against the assassin classes I got a vid of that in the works.


and speaking of vids I can't remember if it was talked about in this thread but if you like your valkyrie you def need to know this setup.

 
Juggs

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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Yeah there's definitely something going on with either the servers or something. Guard breaks after parries are being teched, Warden shoulder bash on hit isn't comboing, Parrying is super weird right now, and everyone is lagging out and I've talked to them and they said they were all having the same issues.

On PSN btw.

Guess I'll just chill for a bit. This is dumb.
 
freerf245

freerf245

11 11 11 11
Evil Canadian said:
Ok frame data on fastest attacks per class:


Ok I will preface this with several things here

1) recorded on ps4 which is 30fps, so thinking pc just double frame count and millisecond response time needed @60fps doesn't change.
2) As far as the little charge to convert into millisecond response time goes keep in mind it does not exist in a vacuum! Setup, monitor/tv all add to response time, and all games inherently have input delay due to engine stuff usually 1-4 frames.
3) Attack listings are interchangeable, so side light 1 2 3 means you could go top, top, side and side light 3 frame data is the same either way.
4) I shoulda put it in video but originally didn't because its a heavy, but during berserker infinite chain side heavy becomes 18frames
5) peacekeeper wins the speed war with fastest chains, and single fastest move in the game with zone attack.
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Just saw this. This is godlike info tysm
 
GAV

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
Juggs said:
Yeah there's definitely something going on with either the servers or something. Guard breaks after parries are being teched, Warden shoulder bash on hit isn't comboing, Parrying is super weird right now, and everyone is lagging out and I've talked to them and they said they were all having the same issues.

On PSN btw.

Guess I'll just chill for a bit. This is dumb.
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Its fine over here in Xboxland...


:p
 
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jokey77

jokey77

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GAV said:
I always thought she was good, but only if you play keep away.
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Nobushi is very predictable. Just follow her guard. Swapping sides takes her ages.

Hidden Stance is fine, but usually the opponent has no reason to come closer once you went into it.

At this point Kensai & Warden mixups are the only ones that really work in 1vs1 situations. At least for me...
 
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