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whats your take on the roster leak?

Mulder

Mulder

King of Heroes
There's like 2-3 characters missing from the list. However MK9 vs MKX had 15 characters from MK9 ((Pre-DLC)) dumped. So this isn't much of a difference. If the remaining 2 or 3 missing characters are Injustice 1 returning characters then it's exactly as much as MK9 vs MKX
 
Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Wether the leaks are true or not idk but here are characters if bet on being in based on other media:
Green Arrow: Arrow is pretty popular right now and he is more than likely gonna get a movie at some point.

Black Canary: same as Arrow

Joker: most popular comic book villian

Ares(?): he is gonna be the villian in the Wonder Woman movie I believe

Deathstroke: very popular villian, he's gonna be a villian in Ben Affleck's Batman movie

Doomsday: popular Superman villian, appeared in BvS

There are more examples. And for anyone who says that characer reveald doesn't have anything to do with movies and shows it isn't a fuckin coincidence that Harley and Deadshot were revealed like 2 days after Suicide Squad came out.

Like Pig said, the roster was decided a long ass time ago. WB is a whole thing, with their studios like NRS or Rocksteady, or their movies, they have a plan with their DC properties.
 
DownfouralitY

DownfouralitY

Noob
Swindle said:
Paying for DLC characters that were part of the base first game doesn't sit well with me. People throw a fit about one character being a Preorder bonus, but paying 4-5 bucks for a character from Injustice 1? That's some Capcom shit right there. Legacy my black ass.
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Yeah, I think it's bullshit as well, but it's the only thing I can really think of if the leaked list is true. Maybe they'll end up discounting them or something.
 
Mulder

Mulder

King of Heroes
But they already did that for MKX? Cyrax, Sektor, Smoke, and Cyborg Sub-Zero were all part of MK9's base roster.
 
STRYKIE

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
Think it's too early (relative to release date) for someone to have means of knowing the full roster who isn't working with NRS internally.

MKX did eventually have a list leak that turned out correct but a lot of shitposters were 'leaking' some laughable lists with complete jobber characters beforehand. (Seriously, why did anyone ever expect Havik?)

The other thing is, with WB's no repeat DLC policy, I'd imagine at least ONE Injustice 1 DLC character will be part of the Injustice 2 standard roster.

So yeah, list is buns until proven otherwise.
 
Swindle

Swindle

Philanthropist & Asshole
Mulder said:
But they already did that for MKX? Cyrax, Sektor, Smoke, and Cyborg Sub-Zero were all part of MK9's base roster.
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Didn't buy 'em. No regrets. Voted with my wallet...isn't that what all you kids are saying nowadays?
 
Swindle

Swindle

Philanthropist & Asshole
Mulder said:
There's like 2-3 characters missing from the list. However MK9 vs MKX had 15 characters from MK9 ((Pre-DLC)) dumped. So this isn't much of a difference. If the remaining 2 or 3 missing characters are Injustice 1 returning characters then it's exactly as much as MK9 vs MKX
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And didn't almost every single person - Male, female, gay, straight and transformer - complain about that MKX roster?
 
Swindle

Swindle

Philanthropist & Asshole
Two scenarios, which one sounds better:
"Hey guys, NRS here. For the sequel to Injustice, we are bringing back the whole cast from our previous game, plus adding a batch of DC heroes and villains you've never been able to play before to the base game. Plus, we've got 9 more never-before-playable DLC characters that will be coming throughout the year. We want everyone to be able to play as their fav heroes and villains."

Or...

"Hey guys, NRS here. We've done some polls, and we've heard you. For our new game, Injustice 2, we will be bringing back some of your old favorites, but half of the cast will be characters you've never played before! We might not get your most requested characters in the base game (Red Hood, Static Shock), but we've got 9 DLC characters planned for the next year! Some may be brand new, some may be returning. You'll have to roll the dice with our Special/Ultimate/Collector's editions to see if your fav's might show up, so stay tuned!"
 
SRP

SRP

Noob
Pig Of The Hut said:
Wait so are we pretending if a Mk character or D.C. Character is killed they won't ever be brought back in a sequel?

Plz
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Not saying they won't ever be brought back, Heck bringing Shazam back would be easy. New person gets the power from the wizard. I just don't see a need for them in this game, when there are so many Dc characters to choose from.
 
K

KCJ506

Noob
Swindle said:
The leaked roster, if it's accurate, is diapers. There is no reason that every Injustice 1 character couldn't return to the roster. They don't need to be in the story to be in the game. By my count, 17 Injustice 1 characters are left out of Injustice 2 (not including Scorpion). Honestly, what the fuck are they thinking?
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Character cuts happen in almost every fighting game sequel ever made. It's a reality of time and budget constraints. And the more characters that are already in the game, the longer it takes to add another one. Development time grows exponentially the more characters are added, not linearly. They have to program each character to interact with every existing character and repeat that process every time they introduce someone.

The only times where a fighting game sequel actually brought back all the characters from the previous game is if they just simply reused the same models and ported them over from the last game(IE Mortal Kombat Armageddon or Marvel vs Capcom 2) or if the last game didn't have a big roster.


FL Rushdown said:
Welcome to how fighting games work. There are rarely, if ever, fighting games that include the whole roster from previous iterations, especially at launch. It's just not how things work, they aren't gonna launch the game with 40+ characters.
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Thank you. This is what I keep saying to people that complain about not all the characters being brought back in fighting games. Some of them will then claim that the developers were being lazy. How I wish such people would get jobs as video game developers and realize the hardship and burden they are facing and the feeling of being accused of the things they once ignorantly accused developers of.
 
Rathalos

Rathalos

Play Monster Hunter!
The big selling point for this game is the gear system.
They have to produce tons of different cosmetic equipment for every character on the roster.

That means, even with reusued assets from the first game, it would still be a shit ton of work to bring everyone back. Every character would need equal amounts of gear customization.

Not to mention all the face scanning and dialog for each character.

I imagine the average Injustice 2 character costs a significant amount more money and time to make then a KoF 14 character.
 
Swindle

Swindle

Philanthropist & Asshole
KCJ506 said:
Character cuts happen in almost every fighting game sequel ever made. It's a reality of time and budget constraints. And the more characters that are already in the game, the longer it takes to add another one. Development time grows exponentially the more characters are added, not linearly. They have to program each character to interact with every existing character and repeat that process every time they introduce someone.

The only times where a fighting game sequel actually brought back all the characters from the previous game is if they just simply reused the same models and ported them over from the last game(IE Mortal Kombat Armageddon or Marvel vs Capcom 2) or if the last game didn't have a big roster.




Thank you. This is what I keep saying to people that complain about not all the characters being brought back in fighting games. Some of them will then claim that the developers were being lazy. How I wish such people would get jobs as video game developers and realize the hardship and burden they are facing and the feeling of being accused of the things they once ignorantly accused developers of.
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So what you're saying is that it took less time, money and effort for them to design Atrocitus, mocap his moveset, animate him and balance him against the cast than it would have taken to port existing assets for Batgirl (design, mocap data, rig and animations) and make the adjustments necessary for her model to function and animate properly? Explain this to me so I understand, because I obviously do not.
 
Swindle

Swindle

Philanthropist & Asshole
Rathalos said:
The big selling point for this game is the gear system.
They have to produce tons of different cosmetic equipment for every character on the roster.

That means, even with reusued assets from the first game, it would still be a shit ton of work to bring everyone back. Every character would need equal amounts of gear customization.

Not to mention all the face scanning and dialog for each character.

I imagine the average Injustice 2 character costs a significant amount more money and time to make then a KoF 14 character.
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So, gear is to blame....now you're being interesting.
 
K

KCJ506

Noob
Swindle said:
So what you're saying is that it took less time, money and effort for them to design Atrocitus, mocap his moveset, animate him and balance him against the cast than it would have taken to port existing assets for Batgirl (design, mocap data, rig and animations) and make the adjustments necessary for her model to function and animate properly? Explain this to me so I understand, because I obviously do not.
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That's not what I'm saying at all. Let's try this again

Game development is hard, time-consuming and expensive and AAA development even more so. And NRS isn't just simply reusing the same models from Injustice 1. Each character has a new one. And they have to not just rebalance the game, but recreate every character model from the bottom up, reanimate every move, redo all effects etc. As well as give the returning characters new supers(some of them even getting new traits) and give the new characters new movesets.

No offense, but you were only deluding yourself if you thought that NRS was gonna bring back all 30 characters from IJ1 as well as add a bunch of new ones.
 
K

KCJ506

Noob
Mulder said:
I mean yeah but this isn't the first time NRS would do this so.
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I'd like to also address the MKX roster as well. It's pretty much the same scenario that Injustice 2 has. Each character having a brand new model. Plus another thing is that MKX had the whole variation system. Which likely increased the amount of time spent on each character.
 
Swindle

Swindle

Philanthropist & Asshole
KCJ506 said:
That's not what I'm saying at all. Let's try this again

Game development is hard, time-consuming and expensive and AAA development even more so. And NRS isn't just simply reusing the same models from Injustice 1. Each character has a new one. And they have to not just rebalance the game, but recreate every character model from the bottom up, reanimate every move, redo all effects etc. As well as give the returning characters new supers(some of them even getting new traits) and give the new characters new movesets.

No offense, but you were only deluding yourself if you thought that NRS was gonna bring back all 30 characters from IJ1 as well as add a bunch of new ones.
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Ahhh, yes. Game development is hard. Thanks.
Of course NRS isn't reusing any assets, such as mocap data or animations. They certainly haven't done that before. They recap, re edit and reanimate everything for each new title.
If the leak list is correct, they've chosen not to bring back more than half the original cast. I believe that is a poor decision, as I'm sure many others do. The first, middle and last thing that nearly everyone on this site complains about is the roster of NRS games. Not costumes/skins, stages , gear, game modes/towers, krypt interactivity or single player content. It's characters. Taking away 17 to add more new is robbing Peter to pay Paul. They could have kept most if not all original characters, and added new ones up front and as DLC. They chose to do a similar path to MKX, even though many many casual and pro fans complained endlessly.
 
Swindle

Swindle

Philanthropist & Asshole
KCJ506 said:
I'd like to also address the MKX roster as well. It's pretty much the same scenario that Injustice 2 has. Each character having a brand new model. Plus another thing is that MKX had the whole variation system. Which likely increased the amount of time spent on each character.
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Also, just for shits and giggles, ive got to ask. Do you have an opinion on the leaked list? That is the title of this thread, but all you've done is argue with me about my opinion without even giving your own on the topic at hand.
Stalker.
 
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