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Question Who was the MOST Overrated character to get nerfed?

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Actually I did specifically say that the TG Raiden nerfs were the most undeserved that this game has ever seen. Go back and read it, then explain to me how he's not unplayable.
Unplayable is Outlaw Erron black. It is PAINFULLY clear that you are just a person who is still Butthurt that Thunder God isn't broken anymore. Stop downplaying, you're just wrong.
 
Where are your placements? Nut up or shut up. Don't have results? Don't come around here shitting on ANY scene if you don't have shit to back it up.
I'm not shitting on the UK scene, there are some GREAT players over there. This thread was about TG Raiden. You decided to bring up all this other shit to TRY and prove what I said was wrong, and you still haven't. We will never see eye to eye on this but I tell you what: Add me on PSN, B-Rabbit154. I'll mop you in a f to 10, then we'll see who's butt hurt! If you're not willing to do that, just don't reply to any more of my comments. Like you said, "nut up or shut up."
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
No sane person in existence would take A-list into a tournament in this current state.
They hardly ever did it before the nerf, so there's your answer.

I would tie up the NRS team in a basement and in order to get out they would just have to recite to the guard at the door a logical and mathematical reason why they nerfed it so bad.

See ya in 100 years.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
I'm not shitting on the UK scene, there are some GREAT players over there. This thread was about TG Raiden. You decided to bring up all this other shit to TRY and prove what I said was wrong, and you still haven't. We will never see eye to eye on this but I tell you what: Add me on PSN, B-Rabbit154. I'll mop you in a f to 10, then we'll see who's butt hurt! If you're not willing to do that, just don't reply to any more of my comments. Like you said, "nut up or shut up."
How the hell do you expect anyone with a brain to see you saying "did you say UK Kombat Cup you can't be serious" and not see someone shitting on the UK scene. Granted, UK Kombat Cup is just straight up wrong, it's the ESL Community Cup that Ketchup and Mustard have been organizing. Secondly, this thread isn't about TG Raiden, it's about characters that were overreacted to. Not killed characters, not "bad" characters. Characters that NRS overreacted to with balance changes. TG raiden was NOT overreacted to. He was handled justly. Thirdly, since you seem to want to just not supply facts with your argument I guess I'll do the same until you decide it's worth the time. Lastly I will not being doing a FT10 with you. I never put my own skill into this matter, that was you. I personally am a slightly above average player, nothing more nothing less. I'm sure you would body me but the people winning that ESL community cup, including K-Top that TG raiden who's performance apparently doesn't matter, would mop the floor with you in a heart beat. Good day.
 

TheGangstaFace

Psn, Xbox, Twitter: TheGangstaFace
No sane person in existence would take A-list into a tournament in this current state.
They hardly ever did it before the nerf, so there's your answer.

I would tie up the NRS team in a basement and in order to get out they would just have to recite to the guard at the door a logical and mathematical reason why they nerfed it so bad.

See ya in 100 years.
So you thought his jailing and whiff cancelling to fly across the screen was overrated pre patch? Or are you just saying currently, fuck this character?
 
How the hell do you expect anyone with a brain to see you saying "did you say UK Kombat Cup you can't be serious" and not see someone shitting on the UK scene. Granted, UK Kombat Cup is just straight up wrong, it's the ESL Community Cup that Ketchup and Mustard have been organizing. Secondly, this thread isn't about TG Raiden, it's about characters that were overreacted to. Not killed characters, not "bad" characters. Characters that NRS overreacted to with balance changes. TG raiden was NOT overreacted to. He was handled justly. Thirdly, since you seem to want to just not supply facts with your argument I guess I'll do the same until you decide it's worth the time. Lastly I will not being doing a FT10 with you. I never put my own skill into this matter, that was you. I personally am a slightly above average player, nothing more nothing less. I'm sure you would body me but the people winning that ESL community cup, including K-Top that TG raiden who's performance apparently doesn't matter, would mop the floor with you in a heart beat. Good day.[/QUOpoint I'm sorry, youre right. This thread wasnt about TG Raiden but MY comment was. You decided to dispute what I said without any evidence besides ONE player placing in a UK online tournament. That being said, I'm still waiting on you to prove your point.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
So you thought his jailing and whiff cancelling to fly across the screen was overrated pre patch? Or are you just saying currently, fuck this character?
The latter, he needed nerfs but not into the ground.
Remove idiotic extra 5 frames on block - most idiotic decision in the long sad history of idiotic decisions
Make nut punch armored again with 2 bar usage for launch.
 

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
Lao, Cage, Erron and Raiden.

Lao: Hat Hitbox nerf, TP2 J2 are so hard to hit right now its basically unusable for the most part, TP2 gets avoided by neutral crouch, backdash and walkback speed are so bad lol, hurted by the wakeup game and counter game with ex spin armor nerf.

Cage: Stamina Hungry, very slow in the air, Useles wakeup move, on top of nerfing his stamina to do combos, they nerfed the cancel window.

Raiden: What is really wrong with raiden? Don't give me the F1 BS, that thing needed a nerf, i can't really see what's wrong with TG or Displacer, maybe MoS could get a few buffs? but what?

Erron: The overhead nerf was too much, needs to be a bit more faster, also all his specials seems to be death on block, sand grenade, ex sand grenade, slide, ex slide, anything, on top of it, they nerfed his run cancel variation with the universal changes.

How to make lao better?
Buff his walkback speed and backdash, slightly give him some hitbox in the hat, TP3 to be -3 instead of -6 on block, and remove 5 frames from hat trick in hat traps and call back should be -5

Cage
Jump startup reduced, jump float reduced. Stamina hungry plus cancel nerf is too much, keep one remove the other, armor on ex flip kick as well.

Erron: Speed up the overhead a bit, ex sand grenade is +5 on block.
Gun slinger: Money Shot now can be turned into a simple coin toss, to spice things up a bit.

Raiden: Really what this fucker needs? I just can't see it.

overall
Fucking nerf all ranged strings distance coverage
Fucking nerf all jump attacks active frames from 18 to 10 frames at the best.
Give each character better back dashes with better recovery.
Make d1 not low profiling standing highs anymore.

what i'm i saying? There is no patch coming damn it.
 

DR.Innuendo

Kitana, Kenshi, Triborg
CSZ and Cyrax Hands Down. Both these characters had nothing but a single piece of dirt in a game filled witrh massive dirt. this was at a time when the game got nerf happy. for some reason it seemed the way they went about it was nerf nerf nerf till the game fixes its self instead of carefully changing game mechanics from the begining and slightly adjusting characters without harming all variations. but this is not what happened.

CSZ and Cyrax are 2 of 4 of the same character, with all 4 variations being so different and playing so different they are in every way different characters. and when you nerf one, you nerf all of them, since they basically share all normals aside from a couple unique additions among Specials.

Cyrax had a reset and CSZ had a Vortex. b oth needed to go, but what happened inmstead was most of there normals where gutted, there entire list of specials where thrown down and stomped on and then there shiny armor was scratched up and put in the dirt and mud. with nothing left to compensate. then CSZ got his F13 Freeze back. Whoo hoo. meanwhile they are shadows of there former selves. i digress

followed by, Kung Lao he really didnt have anything different than many characters at the time and others kept theres. Raiden should also fill this bill.and the nerfs to Reptile.
 
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TheGangstaFace

Psn, Xbox, Twitter: TheGangstaFace
CSZ and Cyrax Hands Down.

followed by, Kung Lao he really didnt have anything different than many characters at the time and others kept theres. Raiden should also fill this bill.and the nerfs to Reptile.
I feel like CSZ and Cyrax were so dumb it was kinda obvious that they were top BUT. Everyone thought the same about Cryo...so I guess I can't exactly say
 

ZzengG

Noob
kotal Kahn who ever thought of making B1 a high hit needs to get their head checked .... also if you look at his projectiles the plus strings are reduced some even to 0 honestly guys for a projectile that takes 10 years to be active why remove the plus strings?????? but guess what tremor still kept his plus on projectiles ....
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Lao, Cage, Erron and Raiden.

Lao: Hat Hitbox nerf, TP2 J2 are so hard to hit right now its basically unusable for the most part, TP2 gets avoided by neutral crouch, backdash and walkback speed are so bad lol, hurted by the wakeup game and counter game with ex spin armor nerf.

Cage: Stamina Hungry, very slow in the air, Useles wakeup move, on top of nerfing his stamina to do combos, they nerfed the cancel window.

Raiden: What is really wrong with raiden? Don't give me the F1 BS, that thing needed a nerf, i can't really see what's wrong with TG or Displacer, maybe MoS could get a few buffs? but what?

Erron: The overhead nerf was too much, needs to be a bit more faster, also all his specials seems to be death on block, sand grenade, ex sand grenade, slide, ex slide, anything, on top of it, they nerfed his run cancel variation with the universal changes.

How to make lao better?
Buff his walkback speed and backdash, slightly give him some hitbox in the hat, TP3 to be -3 instead of -6 on block, and remove 5 frames from hat trick in hat traps and call back should be -5

Cage
Jump startup reduced, jump float reduced. Stamina hungry plus cancel nerf is too much, keep one remove the other, armor on ex flip kick as well.

Erron: Speed up the overhead a bit, ex sand grenade is +5 on block.
Gun slinger: Money Shot now can be turned into a simple coin toss, to spice things up a bit.

Raiden: Really what this fucker needs? I just can't see it.

overall
Fucking nerf all ranged strings distance coverage
Fucking nerf all jump attacks active frames from 18 to 10 frames at the best.
Give each character better back dashes with better recovery.
Make d1 not low profiling standing highs anymore.

what i'm i saying? There is no patch coming damn it.
Some good changes here.

Have faith, I think we will get one.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
I think the only thing less likely to happen in this world, other than Boon not doing boot&sock tweets for injustice characters for the next months, is the actual release of another patch for MKX.
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
I think the only thing less likely to happen in this world, other than Boon not doing boot&sock tweets for injustice characters for the next months, is the actual release of another patch for MKX.
People said the same about previous patch, yet it happened.

Thing is Nrs knows they seriously fucked up a number of things in last update while trying to radically change the meta. The intentions are ok, not gonna deny it, but they shouldn't leave things like that, it is an unfinished work. Some characters that didn't need buffs got automatically buffed by meta changes, and some that needed help got hurted. Damn, they even said Jax loss of armor on exbf2 was a temporary solution to his bug...

If they seriously want to get a state similar to what Ed said in last kombat kast (push the low tiers and the top tiers towards the middle) this shouldn't be the end.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
Don't get me wrong, I am still hoping but it's fading very quick, with all the focus on INJ2.

The middle comment i don't believe it was thought on at all.

I mean, just follow clear examples like this:

Sektor - no armor launcher, character built to be functional without
Lackey - heavily based on armor launcher, can't properly function without
Balanced - heavily based on armor launcher, can't properly function without

******Patch installed

Sektor - no changes -> god tier
Lackey -> no changes -> shit tier
Balanced -> no changes -> shit tier
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Cage isn't bad right now lol. A-List at least. All he should get is this:
1. remove weird 5 frame delay on block thing. Cage players shouldn't have to have different timing on hit or block, execution nerf is bizarre considereing his cancels are less deadly now.
2. Make D3 -5 instead of minus 9. His only 7 frame poke shouldn't be punishable. He should have weaker defense though, so I think -5 is fair.
3. Either make ex flip kick mid or give NP armor back and make it a 2 bar armor launcher and give the regular np the ability to mb on hit.
A-List would be really good after this imo.
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Cage isn't bad right now lol. A-List at least. All he should get is this:
1. remove weird 5 frame delay on block thing. Cage players shouldn't have to have different timing on hit or block, execution nerf is bizarre considereing his cancels are less deadly now.
2. Make D3 -5 instead of minus 9. His only 7 frame poke shouldn't be punishable. He should have weaker defense though, so I think -5 is fair.
3. Either make ex flip kick mid or give NP armor back and make it a 2 bar armor launcher and give the regular np the ability to mb on hit.
A-List would be really good after this imo.
Agree with these suggestions, yes.

d3 being -9 is stupid. Ex flipkick is already mid, but they took away the armor. It should go back, and/or the change in exnut you mentioned.