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Strategy - Shinnok MB Shoulder safety on block

MsMiharo

MsMiharo

Kuff Bano
So as you all know the MB shoulder (not ex but the one you meter burn on block/hit) is safe, but there's a gap which some character's can use. So far I've found that Mileena (except in the corner), Scorpion, Cassie, Kano and Kung Lao get out for free. Mileena, Cassie and Lao even get a full combo. Kano and Scorpion miss out on a potential full combo punish if the Shinnok player doesn't meter burn the shoulder but it's a 100% safe punish.

I excluded meter burn moves for obvious reasons (except for nutpunch cause I wanted to try the invicibility)






I have no idea who plays Shinnok anymore or if a similar list has already been made but:
@Youphemism @ArmedCalf @D. R. @Braindead
#Makeshouldergreatagain
 
Scott The Scot

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
This is both the optimal and the easier way to punish the gap with Cassie


Should apply to anybody with a 6f normal or a 7f reversal. So Lao, Jax, Jacqui, Cassie, maybe Sub Zero's EX Klone (haven't tested, so not sure on that one).
 
Alright RyRy

Alright RyRy

Florida Kombat
ArmedCalf said:
Yeah the game is like 8f or something. I've had Flame Fist f1 me for a full combo punish.

This move isn't as threatening as it's made out to be.
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This move reminds me of Goros' low fang, but more time to react to it. I love seeing threads like this.
 
YoloRoll1stHit

YoloRoll1stHit

Publicly Educated
well if it's truely 8f gap, then there are a lot more characters who can poke interrupt MB shoulder, however they will miss full combo opportunity if shinnok doesn't mb it
 
ArmedCalf

ArmedCalf

I guess I play Necromancer now.. PSN: ArmedCalf
Asodimazze said:
Are you playing the other variations too?
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I'd rather just learn a different character but I mess with Necro a bit. I still need to play all the MU's and figure out which ones need a different character/variation
 
D. R.

D. R.

Noob
A special punish is optimal imo if someone can do it since it can be buffered and will come out on the first possible frame otherwise trying to punish an 8 frame gap in the spur of the moment with a 6 frame normal is dangerous due to this games weird block stun. The trade will be in Shinnok's favor obviously if the opponent is off by that one frame.

But you all do you.
 
MsMiharo

MsMiharo

Kuff Bano
Yeah of course a string is optimal, but inputting reversals are easier. But if you trust your execution, go ahead. Let's just say that not having to take the guess and not to take weird block stun into account suits me.
 
Scott The Scot

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
I'm just saying, it doesn't feel like a 1f thing with Cassie and you could get it every time if you just practice. I feel like people don't put enough time in the lab into practicing punishes. If you practice the punish so that it becomes second nature, you shouldn't have a problem.

Punishing Sub Zero's B2 is tricky because it depends on the spacing, which active frame he hits you with (it can become -11 etc) and if he's behind clone or nah lol. B2 even after the patch still has weird blockstun. Shinnoks Shoulder will always be the same timing. EX or regular, MB or not MB. Same timing, same punish every time.

That's just my opinion though. Feel free to disagree, it's whatever lol.
 
YoloRoll1stHit

YoloRoll1stHit

Publicly Educated
because shoulder -> MB has a 8f gap, these characters have better options than praying, keep blocking and hoping he won't MB: (6f normals and 7f reversal should beat MB shoulder, 7f normals should trade, if he/she has a 7f d2, which does 14%, then why the hell not?)
Tanya: 7f ex teleport should win. 7f d2 wins the trade with 14% damage. 7f d1 = bad trade
Kitana: 6f d3
Jacqui: 6f s1
Kotal: 6f d1 and d4, 7f d2
Alien: 7f d2
Bo: 6f d1, 7f d2
Cassie: 6f s2, 7f reversal flip
Ermac: 6f d1. Mystic has ex push which is a good option.
Lackey FT: 6f d1. Still a 9-1 matchup
Goro: 6f d1
Jax: 6f s1, 7f d2
Jason: 6f d1, 6f d2
Kano: 7f reversal up ball
Lao: 7f reversal spin
Leatherface: 6f d3, 7f d2
Liu Kang: 6f F1
Mileena: 6f d1. and ROLL. As shown in the video, roll is broken. This is the 3rd situation found, where Mileena's roll can interrupt gaps that other 7f moves can't. For example she can interrupt Lao's 4*4 easily (Cassie's old 6f reversal couldn't even do it) or Cassie's B12*4 (7f reversals now trade with the last hit of the string)
Ethereal Mileena can ex fade punish the MB shoulder, but if he doesn't MB then she can't punish it. Don't bother using ex fade, just roll
Quan Chi: 6f d1
Raiden: 6f F1
Scorpion: 6f d1
Shinnok: 6f d1, 7f d2
Tremor: 6f F1

Other characters should cry and ask for buffs :DOGE
 
Invincible Salads

Invincible Salads

Seeker of knowledge
still doesnt seem like a 100% thing outside of armor reversal, but you should be using mb hellsparks or amulet strike on block anyways :p
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
Yeah I think the gap is relatively well-known at this point, always good to have examples of punishes for all the lazy people on here though ;)
Scott The Scot said:
I'm just saying, it doesn't feel like a 1f thing with Cassie and you could get it every time if you just practice. I feel like people don't put enough time in the lab into practicing punishes. If you practice the punish so that it becomes second nature, you shouldn't have a problem.

Punishing Sub Zero's B2 is tricky because it depends on the spacing, which active frame he hits you with (it can become -11 etc) and if he's behind clone or nah lol. B2 even after the patch still has weird blockstun. Shinnoks Shoulder will always be the same timing. EX or regular, MB or not MB. Same timing, same punish every time.

That's just my opinion though. Feel free to disagree, it's whatever lol.
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Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexactly
PLAYING TO WIN said:
Kenshi can reflect the mb and pop him up.
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Wow lmao I didn't actually know about that one. Godlike.
 
Parasurama

Parasurama

Dragon
YoloRoll1stHit said:
because shoulder -> MB has a 8f gap, these characters have better options than praying, keep blocking and hoping he won't MB: (6f normals and 7f reversal should beat MB shoulder, 7f normals should trade, if he/she has a 7f d2, which does 14%, then why the hell not?)
Tanya: 7f ex teleport should win. 7f d2 wins the trade with 14% damage. 7f d1 = bad trade
Kitana: 6f d3
Jacqui: 6f s1
Kotal: 6f d1 and d4, 7f d2
Alien: 7f d2
Bo: 6f d1, 7f d2
Cassie: 6f s2, 7f reversal flip
Ermac: 6f d1. Mystic has ex push which is a good option.
Lackey FT: 6f d1. Still a 9-1 matchup
Goro: 6f d1
Jax: 6f s1, 7f d2
Jason: 6f d1, 6f d2
Kano: 7f reversal up ball
Lao: 7f reversal spin
Leatherface: 6f d3, 7f d2
Liu Kang: 6f F1
Mileena: 6f d1. and ROLL. As shown in the video, roll is broken. This is the 3rd situation found, where Mileena's roll can interrupt gaps that other 7f moves can't. For example she can interrupt Lao's 4*4 easily (Cassie's old 6f reversal couldn't even do it) or Cassie's B12*4 (7f reversals now trade with the last hit of the string)
Ethereal Mileena can ex fade punish the MB shoulder, but if he doesn't MB then she can't punish it. Don't bother using ex fade, just roll
Quan Chi: 6f d1
Raiden: 6f F1
Scorpion: 6f d1
Shinnok: 6f d1, 7f d2
Tremor: 6f F1

Other characters should cry and ask for buffs :DOGE
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Specials are so much easier than normals.
 
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