Shinnok, Ermac, Grandmaster, Kitana, maybe Cutthroat... there are more but i can't remember now
Can you explain kitana shinnock and gm pls?Shinnok, Ermac, Grandmaster, Kitana, maybe Cutthroat... there are more but i can't remember now
Grandmaster = GM has great backdash to get out of DF's pressure and on the zoning trade GM has the advantage since with 1 iceball he will put DF in corner and DF has a harder time in corner than GM.
Dragon's Fire's pressure got hit very hard because of the stamina change and cancels being less plus. If you put your opponent in the corner and there is a corner escape that uses mobility, your opponent will get out of the pressure very easily because corner escapes has invicibility frames.
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I agree flamefist has better chip, meter and corner damage, although he's now so so unsafe after blocked windmill punches. A decent player will see through the gimmicks and hit you out of any special cancel attempt off of windmill punches. He lost arguably one of best armoured reverals in the game in exfbf4, which was a crucial part of why his defence used to be so strong. And yeah he does have good deliberate gap links, but he can no longer use ex-fbf4 to blow up armoured reversals, ex fbf4 lost its armour :/Dragon's Fire's pressure got hit very hard because of the stamina change and cancels being less plus. If you put your opponent in the corner and there is a corner escape that uses mobility, your opponent will get out of the pressure very easily because corner escapes has invicibility frames.
Flame Fist x Dualist and Dragon's Fire:
- Better damage,
- Better chip damage,
- Better meter building,
- A LOT easier to play,
- Better zoning,
- Better gimmicks (string into dd1 into fbf4 is very tricky because the gap is in Kang's favor. Embracing the gap
- Restand vortex-ish,
- Parry.
EX FBF4 into DB2 beats everything but armor, and most armored launchers are gone... FBF4 into EX fireball beats everything but low pokes and armors (if you have shaolin-flame ON, EX fireball will do 15% damage which might be a good trade for Kang)... so, the risks are not as bad as pre-patch.
True.
Yeah, but you will spend a bar on FBRC just a very few times in the match.
Hmm... yeah, that's true, but IDK guys, i've been playing all variations of Kang and Flame Fist is the one that i've been having MUCH more success... maybe i'm using Dragon's Fire in not the best way.
Huh, really? Thats a first one, lol.
Dragon roar is -3 with awkward blockstun and 2 hits of armour, really weird hitbox that hits behind him.
It seems you're respecting his armor way too much on oki. Dragon's Roar is slow on startup and the hitbox is up, which in most cases you can low profile it, thats why the move is actually -2 on block, the "wierd" block stun you refere is in pair with most blockstun in the game, its just that I can press d1 or d2 after if you're not ready for it, you can always backdash or armor. Dragon Kick is a high thats -8 on block, relatively safe but, you can interupt it while the move in the late active frames, but the point is you can duck it and throw a low profile move, like Cage's d4, same thing goes for the Bike kicks. Sure low profiling Liu's Dragon kick might put you in the position to get in again, which I understand it can get frustrating, but thats zoning in a nutshell. Liu Kang plays the same game Ryu does in Street Fighter, zones, counter zones and pressures, but Ryu's fireballs are safe, but his armor is unsafe ( dp ), for Liu its reversed. And seriously, everyone who has a safe armor in MKX can spam it all the time.
Honestly i think its really annoying you have to give up all oki to try and vaguely blow it up. If you do this he has ways to blow you up for trying. The risk reward is a bit stupid for a character whos difficult to close down on especially considering hes got great pressure.
You have a problem with the parry now? :') No wonder the JC community has a bad reputation of being downplayers.
Not that that has any relevence to anything but compared to just about every other parry its way more abiguious and tight to punish than every other parry. The only one i have any issue with, also tricky to react when you're waiting for dragon roar.
Can't we all just get along?
There is no point, you're just complaining for one thing after another, you lost credibility once you started to compare the toolsets that Liu has and JC doesn't, its pointless to discuss things like " Liu's A and B moves are better than JC's A and B moves, so that means my character is inferior despite JC's C and D moves are better than Liu's" We could go on forever like that. Then you on top of that say that the parry is some godlike move, when in reality its a semi decent move to throw out once in a while in game where everything else is batshit crazy. I do realize that both DF and FF might be losing MU's for Johnny in this patch, but I do belive a competent Johhny can deal with those variations with success, like Mantis does, I know cuz I played him several times.
Ofcourse we can <3
Yeah. cant check him properly after it cause his fast d1 now so gotta poke which he can bait and use to go into pressure. Vs tremor and dvora its gg like pre-xl.@Wigy @Orangutan hey... you guys are right about Dragon's Fire. Dragon's Fire might be at the same level of Flame Fist. Flying Kick MB is L I T again