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neveradestroyer

neveradestroyer

Noob
Cryomancer Sub can combo 2+4+polar puncture anywhere on the screen female only:
2+4+pp+icehammer =19% anywhere on screen female only.
Max polar puncture damage for one bar in the corner:
pp+ ex icehammer--b2--b2--d1+1+1+1+pp+icehammer = 32%
 
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ILuvFightGames

ILuvFightGames

Noob
As GM, what strings can I do to be safe on block? I mean like I know I can't do b33~ice ball because I'll get punished but can I do b33~db1? Or what specials can I cancel into from what strings that would be safe on block?
 
Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
ILuvFightGames said:
As GM, what strings can I do to be safe on block? I mean like I know I can't do b33~ice ball because I'll get punished but can I do b33~db1? Or what specials can I cancel into from what strings that would be safe on block?
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Strings that are canceable to Ice Klone:

Center

12
123
24
B33
B12
F33

Center-to-corner

12
123 (This is tricky, because it needs a certain distance to get frozen after the 3)
24
B33
B12
F33 (This is tricky, because it needs a certain distance AND your opponent to get juggled to get frozen after the 2nd kick)

Corner

12
123 (only if he blocks)
24 (only if he blocks)
B33
B12 (only if he blocks)
F33 (only if he blocks)

Strings that are canceable to Iceball (both versions), if you want your opponent to get frozen:

Center

12 (Only EX version)
24 (Only EX version)
B12 (Both versions)
B33 (Normal for female, EX for male)
F33 (Only EX version)

Corner

12 (Both versions)
24 (Only EX version)
B12 (Both versions)
B33 (Both versions)
F33 (Both versions)
 
SonicNinja3532

SonicNinja3532

The Wannabe Prodigy
ILuvFightGames said:
Off of any string? On block?
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For the most part any string cancellable should just be cancelled into ice clone as not much can punish it. If you're against someone that can punish clone, cancel into db1, iirc its like -5 or something with a ridiculous amount of pushback. The main things you'd wanna cancel with is b33, f33, b12, 123, f42 and d4. Against characters who can blow up clone, use db1 more to blow them up, and even against people who can't, it is a very useful tool, as you can disrespect a lot against characters with no mids.
 
Revenant Zero

Revenant Zero

Death Comes
ILuvFightGames said:
As GM, what strings can I do to be safe on block? I mean like I know I can't do b33~ice ball because I'll get punished but can I do b33~db1? Or what specials can I cancel into from what strings that would be safe on block?
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cancels into clone? Safe? lmao.

F4 into clone is probably the best safe option against 2 hit armor wake ups; lab it though and it honestly depends on the match up you are playing.
 
Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
Revenant Zero said:
cancels into clone? Safe? lmao.

F4 into clone is probably the best safe option against 2 hit armor wake ups; lab it though and it honestly depends on the match up you are playing.
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Νο, he got a point there. Most of them will surely try to punish you, so you want to do ice klone. They then will supress themselves to try attacking you. Therefore, any string need to be cancelled into ik.
 
Revenant Zero

Revenant Zero

Death Comes
Tanno said:
Νο, he got a point there. Most of them will surely try to punish you, so you want to do ice klone. They then will supress themselves to try attacking you. Therefore, any string need to be cancelled into ik.
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F4 into Ice Clone is good enough to block an EX 2 hit armor Reptile Slide and Scorpion Sweep. The other D1, D3, D4, B1, B3 and etc are punishable when you clone after.
 
Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
Revenant Zero said:
F4 into Ice Clone is good enough to block an EX 2 hit armor Reptile Slide and Scorpion Sweep. The other D1, D3, D4, B1, B3 and etc are punishable when you clone after.
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The only punishable is B2. The others are just to poke or break the barrier before they fall upon the klone. You can, also, F42xxice Klone. Helps to create some distance. I use that against weapon variations.
 
Revenant Zero

Revenant Zero

Death Comes
Tanno said:
The only punishable is B2. The others are just to poke or break the barrier before they fall upon the klone. You can, also, F42xxice Klone. Helps to create some distance. I use that against weapon variations.
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I'm just saying in regards to armor; it's like the go to thing when in the jail position. Clone cancels mid screen can only do so much against say Kenshi or Takeda.
 
boba_buster

boba_buster

Noob saibot
Other clone cancels can be interrupted because there is a gap befor the clone , anything into iceburst can be armored too if there is a gap into the special cancel. There was some changes in the last patch to the cancel advantage of the 123 string so it may not have a gap but I haven't tested that. F4 is the only special cancel string that is a true block string into clone and iceburst , pre patch anyway
 
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neveradestroyer

neveradestroyer

Noob
Sub Zero Cryomancer consistent polar puncture corner combo, one bar 31%
polar puncture+ex ice burst--b2--f1+2+2--1+1+1+polar puncture+icehammer = 31%.
Edit: Typo.
 
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neveradestroyer

neveradestroyer

Noob
I think d4 ex Ice ball is a good tech for Cryomancer. That will ensure them to eat tick trhows. Also for Unbreakable to help to set aura if you have meter.
 
Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
neveradestroyer said:
I think d4 ex Ice ball is a good tech for Cryomancer. That will ensure them to eat tick trhows. Also for Unbreakable to help to set aura if you have meter.
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A good tech, indeed, but negative, if someone blocks.

Cryo can compensate the loss of Aura and Ice Klone with the EX Hammer.

Around all variations of Sub Zero, there are a lot of options using D4. Those are:

D4xxIce Klone
D4xxEX Ice Hammer
D4xxAura/EX Aura
D4xxSlide/Icy Slide (its input is the same as the Polar Puncture)
D4xxRUN, Throw
D4xxEX Iceball
D4xxBurst/Frost Bomb (used it in the corner game)
D4xxPP (If block)

That's all of them. The riskiest for me would be the "RUN, Throw", the "Slide/Icy Slide" and the "EX Iceball", and this is why I use them rarely.
 
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