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Tech - Cyrax An even harder-to-block ex-saw reset

Zionix

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
False God Confirmed said:
well obviously if you can get a set-up after B3D4 its obviously the preferred option in every way. so whats this conversion?
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Im skeptical about the b1 thing but I'll let it slide.

The B3D4 reset is just late njp mid bomb micro run B3d4, or B1 2+4 to catch techroll backdash. Its just a mini reset nothing special.
 
Zionix

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
DDutchguy said:
Let's say my skills at blocking are unrivaled and I can succesfully block one of these setups. How + or - is Cyrax afterwards? (Can't watch the video at the moment so sorry if this was covered there)
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If you can block these set-ups everytime the cyrax player will just do B3d4Up3 which is safe -6.

He still gets 12%~ from an unsuccessful block into HKD.
 
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God Confirm

God Confirm

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Zionix said:
Im skeptical about the b1 thing but I'll let it slide.

The B3D4 reset is just late njp mid bomb micro run B3d4, or B1 2+4 to catch techroll backdash. Its just a mini reset nothing special.
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okay well thanks for letting me slide this once

so anyway I dont understand. I say you go for the B3D4 reset for big damage, you say the damage is not enough and to always go for the reset. I said B1 gives the better reset, you said it doesnt not to go for the B1 reset because the B3D4 gives a better reset, but now you say B3D4 doesnt give a better reset at all.

I don't get it

Zionix said:
If you can block these set-ups everytime the cyrax player will just do B3d4Up3 which is safe -6.

He still gets 12%~ from an unsuccessful block into HKD.
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If Cyrax is doing that he is never getting a combo again off a set-up so yeah he can make it safe, at an extremely large cost, and only on READ of it getting blocked anyway so you think he'd probably just go for something else if he was sure it would get blocked
 
Zionix

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
False God Confirmed said:
okay well thanks for letting me slide this once

so anyway I dont understand. I say you go for the B3D4 reset for big damage, you say the damage is not enough and to always go for the reset. I said B1 gives the better reset, you said it doesnt not to go for the B1 reset because the B3D4 gives a better reset, but now you say B3D4 doesnt give a better reset at all.

I don't get it


If Cyrax is doing that he is never getting a combo again off a set-up so yeah he can make it safe, at an extremely large cost, and only on READ of it getting blocked anyway so you think he'd probably just go for something else if he was sure it would get blocked
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B1 only gives a better reset if your HTB timing isn't good. If your timing is solid which it needs to be against a good opponent then late NJP F131 is extremely difficult, sometimes impossible and not reliable at all.

I never said the B3D4 damage wasn't enough, I just said overall to cash out at this point (although probably best) is a shame with no proper set-up. Its just how cyrax is, you tend to eat 20% of your health just getting to your opponent when they understand the MU.

But this set-up is actually extremely good and I will be using it for sure from now on for two reasons big damage AND corner carry.

I can take my opponent from midscreen to the corner with the reset and then end in either f13 bomb or f131 ex-saw NJP bomb.

Its super super good.
 
God Confirm

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Zionix said:
B1 only gives a better reset if your HTB timing isn't good. If your timing is solid which it needs to be against a good opponent then late NJP F131 is extremely difficult, sometimes impossible and not reliable at all.

I never said the B3D4 damage wasn't enough, I just said overall to cash out at this point (although probably best) is a shame with no proper set-up. Its just how cyrax is, you tend to eat 20% of your health just getting to your opponent when they understand the MU.

But this set-up is actually extremely good and I will be using it for sure from now on for two reasons big damage AND corner carry.

I can take my opponent from midscreen to the corner with the reset and then end in either f13 bomb or f131 ex-saw NJP bomb.

Its super super good.
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b1 is unreliable if you tight as, its right

you can take a HTB set-up off B3D4 reset for 1 bar too which is nice
 
PND_Mustard

PND_Mustard

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This is cool, how often would you say you can time it perfectly without them being able to armour/jump? consistency is my main concern with this considering the net height has to be precise.
 
Zionix

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
PND_Mustard said:
This is cool, how often would you say you can time it perfectly without them being able to armour/jump? consistency is my main concern with this considering the net height has to be precise.
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I'm at 1/3 and that's with some practice. Its not easy to be honest. It hurts when you're slightly out of timing because you get 9% lol. If you are more out of the timing window and they jump out they will get juggled which is really nice, but obviously you're gonna get armored out most the time at this point.
 
scarsunseen

scarsunseen

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I'm almost always consistent with my S4>net height. I'd say I'm at 90% consistency.

I need to catch up on this conversation. I worked like 56 hours last week. I didn't think my post go on like this lol.
 
Matix218

Matix218

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Zionix said:
The main issue you have is that 60% isn't enough. Which sounds crazy, but it isn't. If you open your opponent up with Cyrax you have to leave your opponent with no meter or win the round on the spot.

This means hit confirm -> big damage -> set-up -> big damage -> round won

You can't reliably NJP after B1 HTB because the better the HTB the lower the launch, so you are spending two bars to use ex bomb to get them into a bomb set-up or ex saw again for the HKD for another oki attempt.

Or, after you get the reset with B3D4 you can late njp and reset AGAIN. If all goes well you can expect 80% total damage.
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So basically if hes not doing 100% damage it is not enough. Where have I heard this before? :DOGE

Im kidding obviously but i couldn't help it especially considering the character in question.
 
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