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scarsunseen

RIP TYM 6/11/2021
Cyrax's buzzsaw is plus on block when hit meaty. Doesn't need a whole thread and I think it's known but hey ho it's nice to be reminded.


In theory, he should be able to make it +7 with a perfect meaty. *Meaning F2 beats perfectly 'timed' 8f mashed pokes and trades with 7f pokes*. Which is unfortunate since most characters have a 7f poke now. Luckily he has F4, but that means if you want a full combo and to be safe you need to commit to F4~EX DB1. A full combo isn't needed though; it's still nice to just check with F4~DB1 for the chip and meter build with catching mashers as a nice added bonus.

Cyrax does have his bomb setups though and they probably build more meter, are safer, lead to more reward on hit and do more chip damage. But I think meaty buzzsaw is still pretty cool. Shame that it probably doesn't fit in with Cyrax's meta but what do I know? Literally spent five minutes with him so far.

**Between asterisks means that I haven't tested it. Other factors (like pushback) may affect it!

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I didn't know that. Might be interesting for his corner Oki. Maybe njk, closebomb, meaty saw, f21? Maybe decent for block pressure. I'll test later... At work.
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
I didn't know that. Might be interesting for his corner Oki. Maybe njk, closebomb, meaty saw, f21? Maybe decent for block pressure. I'll test later... At work.
I couldn't get enough frames to set a bomb and hit the saw meaty unfortunately. The only way that it would potentially work is if the opponent delays their wakeup, I believe. Since you need at least 29 frames after recovering from thowing down a bomb. To my knowledge - such an advantageous hard knockdown or splat doesn't exist without delay wakeup. It'd have to be a read.

Glad I could help a little, though!
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
I think there is something wrong with the first combo... look:


If it does not work and we can't find a conversion that really works perfect, so the double bomb setup is better because it at least works. lol
I think we just need a different combo, gonna have to think really outside the box. Maybe meterless we don't need njp ender and we can find good hitadv somewhere else.

You might of not done the NJP late enough or even EARLY enough or the set-up sucks :D it still juggles though, which is a full combo.
 

scarsunseen

RIP TYM 6/11/2021
I couldn't get enough frames to set a bomb and hit the saw meaty unfortunately. The only way that it would potentially work is if the opponent delays their wakeup, I believe. Since you need at least 29 frames after recovering from thowing down a bomb. To my knowledge - such an advantageous hard knockdown or splat doesn't exist without delay wakeup. It'd have to be a read.

Glad I could help a little, though!

try ending a combo with ex-saw into bomb then saw? Ex-saw is hkd. Just brainstorming..
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
try ending a combo with ex-saw into bomb then saw? Ex-saw is hkd. Just brainstorming..
Huh I had no idea that EX saw was a hkd, sweet! Maybe it'd be enough. I'm not on at the moment so if anybody ever gets around to testing it I'll be interested to hear because I'll forget by tomorrow then decide I'm like a commando player or something lol.
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
ohh, wait... against female characters the NJP wiffs a lot of times... and if you try to it kinda late, the net will be off... damn :\
holy shit lol, i was about to post this. I made a corner combo that used njp at the end into double bombs. I thought why don't i use the njp at the start, but it whiffs on females too often :(

It works in my combo at the end because they are elevated by the net raising their hurtbox.

You could try adpating it for f131 which will raise their hurtbox but it would be a specific starter then.

Nice combo though!
 

scarsunseen

RIP TYM 6/11/2021
I really like the use of this after B4, question is when timed like that what wakeup options does it cover? Last thing you want is for them to max delay wakeup and just full combo you etc. Can't test it myself right now because at work :(
I'm still testing it. So far I know that Mileena's roll ball can low profile Cyrax's F4 after a meaty saw, which frustrates me to no end. The opponent can also armor or backdash after a meaty saw. 6 or 7f low pokes might beat a F4 after meaty saw, but it's hard to test considering that saw has pushback and I don't really have a player with whom I can test. Go test with Ketchup :p

I'm trying to integrate this into my gameplay by using mind games with 21. People often expect the 21(3) overhead, but instead I'm trying 21>B4>meaty saw.
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
I'm still testing it. So far I know that Mileena's roll ball can low profile Cyrax's F4 after a meaty saw, which frustrates me to no end. The opponent can also armor or backdash after a meaty saw. 6 or 7f low pokes might beat a F4 after meaty saw, but it's hard to test considering that saw has pushback and I don't really have a player with whom I can test. Go test with Ketchup :p

I'm trying to integrate this into my gameplay by using mind games with 21. People often expect the 21(3) overhead, but instead I'm trying 21>B4>meaty saw.
So kano will d4 every time and its like we were never plus at all :eek:
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
a bomb to cover the delayed wakeup and backdash


Obviously you can armor out but if not, short delay might get you out

You can't jump out of or backdash the bomb

since the bomb hits so late you can get a F1 or F4 jail
This is super cool, but if you can get the exact same results with a b3 meaty (opponent can block or armor out) and they are forced to block a htb; its not worth going for.

If we could get close to something like this mid screen it would be insane.
 

Reaper

Noob
they are forced to block a htb; its not worth going for.
B3D4 low bomb is a full combo punish and people who know will blow it up pretty consistently. this being over +10 on oki and have a frame trap 50/50 or more chip. Just another up to toy with. I havent found a way to be so plus and have the bomb trap the opponent yet
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
B3D4 low bomb is a full combo punish and people who know will blow it up pretty consistently. this being over +10 on oki and have a frame trap 50/50 or more chip. Just another up to toy with. I havent found a way to be so plus and have the bomb trap the opponent yet
Nobody is blowing my set-up up consistently because its a 50/50 whether I do low overhead low or just overhead low and its 1 frame overhead low anyway. Even then just add up3 to make it safe and if they get hit its at least 12% which is far more chip than you are banking on.

The set-up is really cool and worth using if your mid combo and have already done a njp and are looking for a solid oki attempt. However there is NO mix-up and it has more holes than Swiss cheese.
 

fr stack

Noob's saibot or noob saibot's?
the fact that its not a HTB is a guessing game in itself lol ! wtf is this cyrax player doing im just going to spam advancing wakeup after this saw to flee the bomb *blap* meaty saw bitch :cool: eat that combo bitch