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God Confirm

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Great find! The good thing about that new sequence is that you don't need to worry if your opponent will either go under Cyrax or not because you can run and do it by yourself!

However... those B3D4 HTB conversions are not very practical as I've been thinking :(
On the lab they work most of the times, but in real matches they are kinda weird... after the EX bomb into bomb, sometimes the S1 wiffs because of hit/hurt box issues, sometimes Cyrax gets kinda stuck so the S1 does not comes out and sometimes your opponent goes over you (this happens a lot of times against female characters) :(
i found this one was also a little more flexible on the s1 conversion, because there is more distance between you and the opponent because of the run under, and you can time the bomb more or less to hit when you want, so the one thing you gotta do is make sure it doesn't pop him back up OVER you, but aside from that there was more room here too. It's still not what you'd call "easy" but at least it's easier, I'm gonna stick with it and see if it comes consistent, if not I'll just stick to the meterless cash out
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Great find! The good thing about that new sequence is that you don't need to worry if your opponent will either go under Cyrax or not because you can run and do it by yourself!

However... those B3D4 HTB conversions are not very practical as I've been thinking :(
On the lab they work most of the times, but in real matches they are kinda weird... after the EX bomb into bomb, sometimes the S1 wiffs because of hit/hurt box issues, sometimes Cyrax gets kinda stuck so the S1 does not comes out and sometimes your opponent goes over you (this happens a lot of times against female characters) :(
So after labbing out that htb conversion I just posted, I found that while it still has more advantage than the one you were using and it was able to break regular wake-up armor with B1, it still didn't have enough advantage to break tech-roll into wake-up armor if you time for it.

So, I spent the next few hours tweaking it, and found a set-up that has even MORE advantage and CAN break armor off the tech roll, and does even MORE damage as well.


So it's no biggie but now you CAN set it up for anti tech roll (at the cost of losing to regular wake-up armor), making it just as strong a set-up as the regular double bomb sets, now fully loopable off B3D4. Armor breaking obviously isn't as amazing as it was last post but meh this set-up is improved on the old one in every way, so may as well take your options.
 
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Bruno-NeoSpace

They see me zonin', they hatin'
So after labbing out that htb conversion I just posted, I found that while it still has more advantage than the one you were using and it was able to break regular wake-up armor with B1, it still didn't have enough advantage to break tech-roll into wake-up armor if you time for it.

So, I spent the next few hours tweaking it, and found a set-up that has even MORE advantage and CAN break armor off the tech roll, and does even MORE damage as well.


So it's no biggie but now you CAN set it up for anti tech roll (at the cost of losing to regular wake-up armor), making it just as strong a set-up as the regular double bomb sets, now fully loopable off B3D4. Armor breaking obviously isn't as amazing as it was last post but meh this set-up is improved on the old one in every way, so may as well take your options.
Great! Keep it up!

Another good thing about it, it's that you gotta use 1,1,1 instead of 1,1,4... to me it's easier to do 1,1,1 instead or 1,1,4. weird, yeah i know but that's already a good change :p

That's why i'm doing sometimes a different midscreen BNB... net - long air bomb - f4,3 - long air bomb - f4,3 - long air bomb - 1,1,1 (the easier part) - short air bomb - walk backward a little - 2,1 - mid ground bomb - NJP - two bombs setup. A little bit less damage but it's much easier for me.

There is another new midscreen BnB that i'm still working on it:






shout-outs to Reaper
 

God Confirm

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Found the most consistent way to do it is actually delayed run under into 4~close grenade, it hits kinda later than you'd expect if you do it right giving you a great pop-up and plenty of time to convert




I'm still practicing it but seems consistent enough to me, although it is tricky till you get the hang of the run under timing


if you break their armor with this its 41% damage per a loop :O
 

Bruno-NeoSpace

They see me zonin', they hatin'
Found the most consistent way to do it is actually delayed run under into 4~close grenade, it hits kinda later than you'd expect if you do it right giving you a great pop-up and plenty of time to convert




I'm still practicing it but seems consistent enough to me, although it is tricky till you get the hang of the run under timing


if you break their armor with this its 41% damage per a loop :O
Godlike!! I'll try it later. :D
 

God Confirm

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yooooooo found a way to go for your HTB set-up in the corner... I skipped the 50/50 at the start, but obviously you use that 50/50 set-up into guaranteed HTB, which in the corner is B1/B3~EXBuzzSaw, NjP, B2, 4, 114~Net right, then you go for that close bomb into this....



That's 29%+31% guaranteed meaning it's a 60% combo off the 50/50 in the corner since the HTB reset is guaranteed, AND it goes in to another double bomb set-up... KINDA SWEET I think


also, ignore the fact that my hard to blockable here is more like an easy to blockable, its still works the exact same off the flawless HTB, its friday night here and ive had a few drinks... you can probably get more damage off it too, I didn't exaclty fully lab it, just found out it was possible and decided to put it up here for you guys to look at

@Bruno-NeoSpace
@scarsunseen


also, if you are going to lab it, the trick is making sure the F131 doesnt hit em too early, if they are too high up when that first air bomb hits them, the run back 21 won't drop em low enough to hit the grenade. Tested it on big body characters it works fine on them too
 

Bruno-NeoSpace

They see me zonin', they hatin'
yooooooo found a way to go for your HTB set-up in the corner... I skipped the 50/50 at the start, but obviously you use that 50/50 set-up into guaranteed HTB, which in the corner is B1/B3~EXBuzzSaw, NjP, B2, 4, 114~Net right, then you go for that close bomb into this....



That's 29%+31% guaranteed meaning it's a 60% combo off the 50/50 in the corner since the HTB reset is guaranteed, AND it goes in to another double bomb set-up... KINDA SWEET I think


also, ignore the fact that my hard to blockable here is more like an easy to blockable, its still works the exact same off the flawless HTB, its friday night here and ive had a few drinks... you can probably get more damage off it too, I didn't exaclty fully lab it, just found out it was possible and decided to put it up here for you guys to look at

@Bruno-NeoSpace
@scarsunseen


also, if you are going to lab it, the trick is making sure the F131 doesnt hit em too early, if they are too high up when that first air bomb hits them, the run back 21 won't drop em low enough to hit the grenade. Tested it on big body characters it works fine on them too
:eek:

awesome!
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
yooooooo found a way to go for your HTB set-up in the corner... I skipped the 50/50 at the start, but obviously you use that 50/50 set-up into guaranteed HTB, which in the corner is B1/B3~EXBuzzSaw, NjP, B2, 4, 114~Net right, then you go for that close bomb into this....



That's 29%+31% guaranteed meaning it's a 60% combo off the 50/50 in the corner since the HTB reset is guaranteed, AND it goes in to another double bomb set-up... KINDA SWEET I think


also, ignore the fact that my hard to blockable here is more like an easy to blockable, its still works the exact same off the flawless HTB, its friday night here and ive had a few drinks... you can probably get more damage off it too, I didn't exaclty fully lab it, just found out it was possible and decided to put it up here for you guys to look at

@Bruno-NeoSpace
@scarsunseen


also, if you are going to lab it, the trick is making sure the F131 doesnt hit em too early, if they are too high up when that first air bomb hits them, the run back 21 won't drop em low enough to hit the grenade. Tested it on big body characters it works fine on them too
I was about to post this. The F1 link is so much easier because of the character bouncing into us from the corner.

This should be our new corner BnB, its extremely easy.

My easier version was after njp mid bomb *late* F131 high close bomb, run back D2, close high bomb db1, late NJK low mid bomb.

I recommend just doing what is easier, get the 30% back into HTb set-up.


I have some dope tech for midscreen aswell I wanna make a video on. Meterless conversions from HTB situation where the link for the F131 is not as hard AND more damage.

Cyrax is looking stronger every day.
 
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God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
I was about to post this. The F1 link is so much easier because of the character bouncing into us from the corner.

This should be our new corner BnB, its extremely easy.

My easier version was after njp mid bomb *late* F131 high close bomb, run back D2, close high bomb db1, late NJK low mid bomb.

I recommend just doing what is easier, get the 30% back into HTb set-up.


I have some dope tech for midscreen aswell I wanna make a video on. Meterless conversions from HTB situation where the link for the F131 is not as hard AND more damage.

Cyrax is looking stronger every day.
show us what you got bro! all sounds pretty good

im interested in seeing your version of this corner combo too, might swap it up if its only a point less damage and easier


EDIT: that first combo doesn't look like a double bomb set-up, unless im wrong...
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
show us what you got bro! all sounds pretty good

im interested in seeing your version of this corner combo too, might swap it up if its only a point less damage and easier


EDIT: that first combo doesn't look like a double bomb set-up, unless im wrong...
Im making a video now.

Yeah my combo is super simple I found the tech out while in practice literally 3 hours ago so nothing is optimized.

Cyrax might be a powerhouse if this can be mastered.
 

fr stack

Noob's saibot or noob saibot's?
yooooooo found a way to go for your HTB set-up in the corner... I skipped the 50/50 at the start, but obviously you use that 50/50 set-up into guaranteed HTB, which in the corner is B1/B3~EXBuzzSaw, NjP, B2, 4, 114~Net right, then you go for that close bomb into this....



That's 29%+31% guaranteed meaning it's a 60% combo off the 50/50 in the corner since the HTB reset is guaranteed, AND it goes in to another double bomb set-up... KINDA SWEET I think


also, ignore the fact that my hard to blockable here is more like an easy to blockable, its still works the exact same off the flawless HTB, its friday night here and ive had a few drinks... you can probably get more damage off it too, I didn't exaclty fully lab it, just found out it was possible and decided to put it up here for you guys to look at

@Bruno-NeoSpace
@scarsunseen


also, if you are going to lab it, the trick is making sure the F131 doesnt hit em too early, if they are too high up when that first air bomb hits them, the run back 21 won't drop em low enough to hit the grenade. Tested it on big body characters it works fine on them too
this may or may not work in the corner but im fairly sure f1, 4 close hover will work in this situation instead of f131 , just to squeeze an extra % or 2 :)
 

fr stack

Noob's saibot or noob saibot's?
also tag me in your tech posts guys im still here just dont post as much cause i still use a caveman phone !
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
Hell yeah! I'm sick of seeing people talking shit about Cyrax...

Funny thing: literally EVERYONE that has spoken shit about Cyrax and played against my Cyrax, got mopped. :cool:
To be fair his neutral is extremely tricky. His power comes from massive damage spikes and the ex bomb launch back into HTB is extremely strong and a fairly new practice and isn't the easiest execution wise.

I truly believe with good execution Cyrax could be the strongest borg now and one of the best characters. There may be more stuff we haven't even explored aswell.

I want more people playing cyrax (properly) so i'm gonna make a video about this tech (with a little extra tech from myself) and tutorials aswell for people looking to pick him up.
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
@Bruno-NeoSpace
@scarsunseen @False God Confirmed
@fr stack @PND_Mustard @Reaper


Keep the new stuff coming guys!

I didn't make is clear in the video, but my tech is the sweep making the far bomb f131 link midscreen alot easier to convert to and its 37% meterless (possibly more). You won't do this often as its easily blocked but its something to add to your toolset and 14 frames isn't reactable.
 
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scarsunseen

RIP TYM 6/11/2021
Basically all of this is known with different variations here and there, but thanks for the videos. Visual aids are always useful. I've been doing the B4/bomb>F131 for a long time. You can also throw/bomb>roll>wake-up ex-saw or grab.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
@Bruno-NeoSpace
@scarsunseen @False God Confirmed
@fr stack @PND_Mustard @Reaper


Keep the new stuff coming guys!

I didn't make is clear in the video, but my tech is the sweep making the far bomb f131 link midscreen alot easier to convert to and its 37% meterless (possibly more). You won't do this often as its easily blocked but its something to add to your toolset and 14 frames isn't reactable.
awesome video dude! if most of that was known it must be known by people who don't share stuff because it was very useful for me and I've scoured this forum and labbed the shit out of the character. There's so much to the character that I think everyone's little personal opinions and tech are worth reading for.

i think your combo path of doing the corner combo might give a better double bomb set-up and be even easier, im gonna look into it tho. Crazy that we both found this tech like within hours of each other haha

I am sort of new to Cyrax but I just came over from Smoke, I noticed sweep in the neutral is actually pretty good for Triborg, it moves your hitbox back and its only -2 on block, and has a much better hitbox than his D4. It is slow so you gotta learn when to throw it out, but its nice tho. Nice tech with using it to launch after the reset, although I think you are better off nailing the HTB timing, its easier for you to time it than it is for your opponent to block it, and if you get it within a couple of frames its a guaranteed reset. But I guess the sweep tech is there for throwing a spanner in the works of that godlike player who manages to block it


Just one thing, I know i said otherwise last night, but I've noticed that the 29% corner combo isn't actually a guaranteed reset - the net hits low and they can actually jump out. Just going for EXBuzzSaw, NjP, B2, 4~Net hits them high enough for it tho, but it does cost 4%.
 

Bruno-NeoSpace

They see me zonin', they hatin'
@Bruno-NeoSpace
@scarsunseen @False God Confirmed
@fr stack @PND_Mustard @Reaper


Keep the new stuff coming guys!

I didn't make is clear in the video, but my tech is the sweep making the far bomb f131 link midscreen alot easier to convert to and its 37% meterless (possibly more). You won't do this often as its easily blocked but its something to add to your toolset and 14 frames isn't reactable.
Great video! Sweep onto bomb into HTB conversion is breathtakingly easy to do :eek::)
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
@False God Confirmed @Zionix @fr stack I am having more success with this combo:

HTB - NJP - mid air bomb - f1,3,1 - short air bomb - run - D2 - two bombs setup (29%)

it's 2% less damage but it's much easier. :D
after labbing it out im just going with this one, SO MUCH more consistent than anything else, not worth fighting tooth and nail for that 2% extra damage

Great video! Sweep onto bomb into HTB conversion is breathtakingly easy to do :eek::)
the trade off is that its no longer a HTB if they make the read its just a 50/50... I think the only real point in cutting your combo at 23% IS for that only guaranteed HTB that we have
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
To be fair his neutral is extremely tricky. His power comes from massive damage spikes and the ex bomb launch back into HTB is extremely strong and a fairly new practice and isn't the easiest execution wise.

I truly believe with good execution Cyrax could be the strongest borg now and one of the best characters. There may be more stuff we haven't even explored aswell.

I want more people playing cyrax (properly) so i'm gonna make a video about this tech (with a little extra tech from myself) and tutorials aswell for people looking to pick him up.
His neutral is gonna be the hard thing to get used to for me. He has so many different things he can do, but all of them are very different to most characters neutral options. It's very weird, but not weak, just different. I still have Smoke muscle memory that I'm trying to get rid of, I keep pressing B2 in neutral like a dummy lol. Cyrax's Ex Air Throw is an amazing neutral tool tho, but as with all his neutral nothing its best when coupled with his other shit like the ground bombs to make em jump. Ex Buzz Saw is one of the best projectile's I've ever seen as well.

I don't think he can be the best Borg, at least not in a game that has Sektor :p Well, to be fair, all the robots are on a VERY similar power level imo I don't think there is a clear cut best or worst for them.
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
His neutral is gonna be the hard thing to get used to for me. He has so many different things he can do, but all of them are very different to most characters neutral options. It's very weird, but not weak, just different. I still have Smoke muscle memory that I'm trying to get rid of, I keep pressing B2 in neutral like a dummy lol. Cyrax's Ex Air Throw is an amazing neutral tool tho, but as with all his neutral nothing its best when coupled with his other shit like the ground bombs to make em jump. Ex Buzz Saw is one of the best projectile's I've ever seen as well.

I don't think he can be the best Borg, at least not in a game that has Sektor :p Well, to be fair, all the robots are on a VERY similar power level imo I don't think there is a clear cut best or worst for them.
Im glad you liked the video, ill be making alot more.

The reason why I think he can contest for top Borg is the fact he can do 60% back into b3 d4 htb bombs which will do decent chip (meterless). Smoke/sektor are easier to play especially in the neutral due to their MIDs but after labbin cyrax id rather be in their pressure loop that his.

As we seen with scar against sonic ducking his mid-high string and full punishing it is a real thing, so that's definitely a downside to smoke.

Sektor is super strong and counters cyrax very well.

Adding the B4 just creates mores chaos in the mix and sorry scars i haven't seen anything about it, i believe you did know it, but i haven't seen you mention it so when i did it and found that the bombs from it was easier link it was a "this is awesome" moment.

Im going to check if the b4 stops them jumping out and still combos into bomb. As you said though ill just do the lower damage with higher net if its a problem.

If people can lab the corner combo to make it around 32% with double bombs that would be sick. Maybe mine does if i don't do 212 and just do 21 then bombs.

Ex saw is madness, im gonna do video on gaps and beating staggers and harder match-ups with it. You can even anti cross up with it.
 

Bruno-NeoSpace

They see me zonin', they hatin'
His neutral is gonna be the hard thing to get used to for me. He has so many different things he can do, but all of them are very different to most characters neutral options. It's very weird, but not weak, just different. I still have Smoke muscle memory that I'm trying to get rid of, I keep pressing B2 in neutral like a dummy lol. Cyrax's Ex Air Throw is an amazing neutral tool tho, but as with all his neutral nothing its best when coupled with his other shit like the ground bombs to make em jump. Ex Buzz Saw is one of the best projectile's I've ever seen as well.

I don't think he can be the best Borg, at least not in a game that has Sektor :p Well, to be fair, all the robots are on a VERY similar power level imo I don't think there is a clear cut best or worst for them.
Im glad you liked the video, ill be making alot more.

The reason why I think he can contest for top Borg is the fact he can do 60% back into b3 d4 htb bombs which will do decent chip (meterless). Smoke/sektor are easier to play especially in the neutral due to their MIDs but after labbin cyrax id rather be in their pressure loop that his.

As we seen with scar against sonic ducking his mid-high string and full punishing it is a real thing, so that's definitely a downside to smoke.

Sektor is super strong and counters cyrax very well.

Adding the B4 just creates mores chaos in the mix and sorry scars i haven't seen anything about it, i believe you did know it, but i haven't seen you mention it so when i did it and found that the bombs from it was easier link it was a "this is awesome" moment.

Im going to check if the b4 stops them jumping out and still combos into bomb. As you said though ill just do the lower damage with higher net if its a problem.

If people can lab the corner combo to make it around 32% with double bombs that would be sick. Maybe mine does if i don't do 212 and just do 21 then bombs.

Ex saw is madness, im gonna do video on gaps and beating staggers and harder match-ups with it. You can even anti cross up with it.

:D