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Match-up Discussion - Grandmaster Sub-Zero MU Notes

Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
Invincible Salads said:
the saw seems like trouble tbh.
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Yeah. The chainsaw is a weapon, and this is why when I do IK I dash back if time is on my favor. Ketchup knew my boy's weakness, and so he kept spamming with his chainsaw. He's weak against Alien. Why? Because when he charges I do the Tail Snap to grab his legs.

BTW, are you EU? Want a set with me tonight when I get back?
 
Invincible Salads

Invincible Salads

Seeker of knowledge
Tanno said:
Yeah. The chainsaw is a weapon, and this is why when I do IK I dash back if time is on my favor. Ketchup knew my boy's weakness, and so he kept spamming with his chainsaw. He's weak against Alien. Why? Because when he charges I do the Tail Snap to grab his legs.

BTW, are you EU? Want a set with me tonight when I get back?
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nope, usa, and i was just wondering if killer actual beat subzero now.
 
SaSSolino

SaSSolino

Soul Stealing Loyalist
Now that GM lost his armor breking in the corner, I agree that he should go even with Bone Shaper.

Impostor probably wins as he still does have vortex with meter, I don't have much post patch experience either though.
 
Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Grandmaster's setplay is a lot different. Weaker because no armor breaking, yet stronger because you will never be launched even if they armor. The risk reward is still extremely tilted in Sub-Zero's favor.
 
M.D.

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
You people still don't realise GM is the only one with the fewest losing matchups in the entire game?
Yet the one with the most basically unwinabble matchups for more than half the cast?

Look at Reo's stream where Scar is playing GM. In the matches where he wasn't eating or playing with one hand (noticeable because he stopped doing clone because he probably wanted to lose to go afk) he DESTROYED everyone with constant clone spam on cooldown, never a moment without clone out, and d4 and safe string spam.

Nobody could do anything, he just steamrolled 10-0 ffs. It's so obvious a gorilla could see it.

Heeellooooooooooo??? NRS are you blind??? Nerf this POS already ffs.
 
T

Thomazi

Noob
M.D. said:
You people still don't realise GM is the only one with the fewest losing matchups in the entire game?
Yet the one with the most basically unwinabble matchups for more than half the cast?

Look at Reo's stream where Scar is playing GM. In the matches where he wasn't eating or playing with one hand (noticeable because he stopped doing clone because he probably wanted to lose to go afk) he DESTROYED everyone with constant clone spam on cooldown, never a moment without clone out, and d4 and safe string spam.

Nobody could do anything, he just steamrolled 10-0 ffs. It's so obvious a gorilla could see it.

Heeellooooooooooo??? NRS are you blind??? Nerf this POS already ffs.
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Is this set you are talking about?


In any case he played +/- 20 games where he lost +/- 50% of them.
But I will trust your word that he was eating or playing with one hand half of the time...
 
M.D.

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
You can clearly see the difference in playstyle, when he mops the floor with them, and then when he loses, he never does clone, he just stands there dashing into the opponent etc.

Probably trying to downplay GM so nobody knows until he destroyes everyone at the next major.
 
Revenant Zero

Revenant Zero

Death Comes
My opinion on the Sub-Zero (specifically GM) MU from what I've played.

Wins:

Jax: 8-2 all variations
Cyber Sub-Zero: 7-3
Jason: 6-4 all variations
Leatherface 6-4 all variations
Alien 6-4 all variations
Erron Black: 6-4 all variations
Liu Kang: 6-4 Flame Fists / Dragon's Fire
Kotal Kahn: 6-4 Blood God
Kung Lao: 6-4 Tempest and HT
Cassie Cage: 6-4 Hollywood
Cyrax: 6-4
Ferra/Torr: 6-4 Lackey

Even:
Goro: all variations
Mileena: all variations
Sub-Zero: all variations
Jacqui: all variations
Kitana: all variations
Scorpion: Ninjutsu/Hellfire
Shinnok: Boneshaper/Necromancer
Quan: Warlock/Sorcerer
Takeda: Ronin
Raiden: Displacer
Tanya: Dragon Naginata
Kotal Khan: War God/Sun God
Sektor
Smoke

Losing:
Ermac: 3-7 Mystic*
Shinnok: 3-7 Imposter*
Kenshi: 3-7 Possessed*
Ferra/Torr: 4-6: Ruthless/Vicious
Tremor: 4-6 Aftershock/Crystalline
Takeda: 4-6 Lasher and SR
Kenshi: 4-6 Balanced
Sonya: 4-6 Demolition
Quan: 4-6 Summoner
Kung Jin: 4-6 Shaolin
Predator: 4-6 HQT
Cage: 4-6 Stunt Double
Scorpion: 4-6 Inferno



* = IMO the Worst for GM

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Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Revenant Zero said:
My opinion on the Sub-Zero (specifically GM) MU from what I've played.

Wins:

Jax: 8-2 all variations
Cyber Sub-Zero: 7-3
Jason: 6-4 all variations
Leatherface 6-4 all variations
Alien 6-4 all variations
Erron Black: 6-4 all variations
Liu Kang: 6-4 Flame Fists / Dragon's Fire
Kotal Kahn: 6-4 War God/ Blood God
Kung Lao: 6-4 Tempest and HT
Cassie Cage: 6-4 Hollywood
Cyrax 6-4

Even:
Goro: all variations
Mileena: all variations
Sub-Zero: all variations
Jacqui: all variations
Kitana: all variations
Scorpion: Ninjutsu/Hellfire
Shinnok: Boneshaper/Necromancer
Quan: Warlock/Sorcerer
Takeda: Ronin
Raiden: Displacer
Tanya: Dragon Naginata
Kotal Khan: Sun God
Sektor
Smoke

Losing:
Ermac: 3-7 Mystic*
Shinnok: 3-7 Imposter*
Kenshi: 3-7 Possessed*
Ferra/Torr: 4-6: all variations
Tremor: 4-6 Aftershock/Crystalline
Takeda: 4-6 Lasher and SR
Kenshi: 4-6 Balanced
Sonya: 4-6 Demolition
Quan: 4-6 Summoner
Kung Jin: 4-6 Shaolin
Predator: 4-6 HQT
Cage: 4-6 Stunt Double
Scorpion: 4-6 Inferno

* = IMO the Worst for GM
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Pretty good, nice list. Changes I'd make:
Beats all Kotal 7-3
Alien Acidic is even or losing
Loses to Mileena is 3-7
Beats Kitana 6-4
Beats Inferno 6-4
Loses to Naginata 4-6
Imposter only 4-6
Aftershock 3-7
Summoner 5-5
Cage 6-4 now, SD got molested this patch
Smoke 7-3

I only addressed the characters you listed. Why do you think Sun God is even?
 
Revenant Zero

Revenant Zero

Death Comes
Dankster Morgan said:
Pretty good, nice list. Changes I'd make:
Beats all Kotal 7-3
Alien Acidic is even or losing
Loses to Mileena is 3-7
Beats Kitana 6-4
Beats Inferno 6-4
Loses to Naginata 4-6
Imposter only 4-6
Aftershock 3-7
Summoner 5-5
Cage 6-4 now, SD got molested this patch
Smoke 7-3

I only addressed the characters you listed. Why do you think Sun God is even?
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I guess that's more of a subjective opinion, I usually go for more negative strings than ones that are "safer" so it could be my ignorance in the neutral. Just overall, the Sun God character is more solid, like B32 into D1 into a command if you take it while blocking.
 
Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Revenant Zero said:
I guess that's more of a subjective opinion, I usually go for more negative strings than ones that are "safer" so it could be my ignorance in the neutral. Just overall, the Sun God character is more solid, like B32 into D1 into a command if you take it while blocking.
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He just gets dicked so hard by the klone
 
youthinkyoubadyouaintbad

youthinkyoubadyouaintbad

Noob
Sometimes I play these sun God players that think they are Albert Einstein and can just be 'patient' full screen with their neutral ducking and parries. I just use 2015 hide behind the clone at all time strats and expose them easily :DOGE
 
Blewdew

Blewdew

PSN: MaxKayX3
Revenant Zero said:
My opinion on the Sub-Zero (specifically GM) MU from what I've played.

Wins:

Jax: 8-2 all variations
Cyber Sub-Zero: 7-3
Jason: 6-4 all variations
Leatherface 6-4 all variations
Alien 6-4 all variations
Erron Black: 6-4 all variations
Liu Kang: 6-4 Flame Fists / Dragon's Fire
Kotal Kahn: 6-4 War God/ Blood God
Kung Lao: 6-4 Tempest and HT
Cassie Cage: 6-4 Hollywood
Cyrax 6-4

Even:
Goro: all variations
Mileena: all variations
Sub-Zero: all variations
Jacqui: all variations
Kitana: all variations
Scorpion: Ninjutsu/Hellfire
Shinnok: Boneshaper/Necromancer
Quan: Warlock/Sorcerer
Takeda: Ronin
Raiden: Displacer
Tanya: Dragon Naginata
Kotal Khan: Sun God
Sektor
Smoke

Losing:
Ermac: 3-7 Mystic*
Shinnok: 3-7 Imposter*
Kenshi: 3-7 Possessed*
Ferra/Torr: 4-6: all variations
Tremor: 4-6 Aftershock/Crystalline
Takeda: 4-6 Lasher and SR
Kenshi: 4-6 Balanced
Sonya: 4-6 Demolition
Quan: 4-6 Summoner
Kung Jin: 4-6 Shaolin
Predator: 4-6 HQT
Cage: 4-6 Stunt Double
Scorpion: 4-6 Inferno

* = IMO the Worst for GM
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I HIGHLY doubt that grandmaster looses 4-6 to lackey ferra/torr. This shit is probably one of the worst matchups existing in this game lol
 
Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
Blewdew said:
I HIGHLY doubt that grandmaster looses 4-6 to lackey ferra/torr. This shit is probably one of the worst matchups existing in this game lol
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Well, nobody will know for sure, because nobody has ever played against F/T. In Ranked matches I faced him and lost, because I didn't know F/T's playing style. With more playing against the duo I'll conclude on this. :)
 
Blewdew

Blewdew

PSN: MaxKayX3
Tanno said:
Well, nobody will know for sure, because nobody has ever played against F/T. In Ranked matches I faced him and lost, because I didn't know F/T's playing style. With more playing against the duo I'll conclude on this. :)
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How do you even lose against lackey as grandmaster? Sure ruthless and vicious obviously win this matchup but Lackey has almost no chance
 
Revenant Zero

Revenant Zero

Death Comes
Blewdew said:
I HIGHLY doubt that grandmaster looses 4-6 to lackey ferra/torr. This shit is probably one of the worst matchups existing in this game lol
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I suppose to most Lackey players, this MU is favorable to GM now. I edited my list and adjusted Vicious/Ruthless as the losing variations.
 
Blewdew

Blewdew

PSN: MaxKayX3
Tanno said:
Well, nobody will know for sure, because nobody has ever played against F/T. In Ranked matches I faced him and lost, because I didn't know F/T's playing style. With more playing against the duo I'll conclude on this. :)
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Btw if you need mu experience Hit me up on psn, almost day 1 ft main here
 
Revenant Zero

Revenant Zero

Death Comes
@Dankster Morgan, do you really think all Mileena variations still beat Sub 3-7? I haven't played pro players like F0xy, saltface or Semijj but damn have played some people on TYM's mileena community since 10/4 patch.

Sub looks pretty good, Unb noticeably better than GM. I'd say it's a 6-4 if being fair, it's not as abysmal as Mystic tho
 
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