Match-Up Discussion - Reptile [Post Patch] Reptile MU List

I have not found any MU chart post patch yet. Let's start with something: This thread is for ALL of us to create. Not just me. This thread will be under maintenance for a while. I will not change my answer if you give no reason. Obviously I'm not 100% fluent in all these MUs. Some may be off.
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KEY

* 3-7 - Reptile struggles a lot in this. The variation noticeably shuts down Reptile. Not impossible to win, but very difficult.
* 4-6 -Reptile has a bit of trouble with some things the opponent offers. Nothing too major.

* 5-5 - Dead even MU. Both variations have similar tools to cope with.

* 6-4 - Reptile has a slight advantage over the opponent, tool-wise.
* 7-3 - Reptile strongly shuts down many of the main tools the variation has
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Goro?
Cyber Sub Zero?
Cyrax?
Smoke?
Kenjutsu?
Ronin?
Lasher?
Mournful?

☆ Winning MUs

Reptile is mainly even with most characters, but has few winning ones!

• Bo Rai Cho [All]: 6-4 (Not really familiar with BRC at all. Blank guess)

• Leatherface [All]: 6-4 (Another one I'm not too familiar with)

• Kotal Kahn [Blood]: 6-4

• D'Vorah [All]: 6-4 (Possible 7-3)

• Scorpion [Inferno]: 6-4 (Possible 7-3)

• Ferra/Torr [Lackey]: 7-3

• Alien [Tarkatan]: 6-4 (Possible 7-3)

• Jax [All]: (Possible even MU)

• Sonya [Covert Ops]: 6-4 (Possible 5-5)

• Cassie [Brawler/Spec Ops]: 6-4 (Possible 5-5)

• Jacqui [High Tech]: 6-4

• Predator [Warrior]: 6-4

• Erron [Outlaw]: 7-3

• Erron [GS/Marksman]: 6-4

- Kenshi [Balanced]: 6-4

- Raiden [TG/MoS]: 6-4

- Kotal Kahn [War God]: 7-3

☆ Even MUs

• Reptile [Duh]

• Scorpion [Ninjutsu/Hellfire] Possible 6-4 in Ninjutsu's favor.

• Sub Zero [Cryomancer/Unbreakable]: Not too sure about this one.

• Tanya [Kobu Jutsu]: Possible 6-4 in Tanya's favor

• Alien [Acidic/Konjurer]: Possibly in Reptile's favor

• Tremor [All]

• Jason [Relentless/Unstoppable]: Possible win for both.

• Shinnok [Impostor]

• Cassie [Hollywood]

• Kung Lao [Tempest/Hat Trick]

• Sektor

• Smoke: Possible 6-4 in Smoke's favor

• Predator [Hunter]

☆ Losing MUs

• Kung Lao [Buzz Saw]: 4-6

• Kotal Kahn [Sun]: 4-6 (Possible 5-5)

• Sonya Blade [Demolition/Special Forces]: 4-6

• Kano [Cybernetic] 3-7 (Possible 4-6)

•Kano [Cutthroat/Commando]: 4-6 (Not sure about Commando)

• Johnny Cage [All]: 4-6 (Possible 5-5)

• Mileena [Piercing]: 3-7

• Mileena [Ethereal/Ravenous]: 4-6

• Sub Zero [Grandmaster]: 3-7

• Tanya [Pyromancer/Naginata]: 4-6

• Jason [Slasher]; 4-6 (Possible 5-5)

• Predator [Hish Qu Ten]: 4-6 (Possible 3-7)

• Jacqui [Shotgun/Full Auto]: 4-6

• Shinnok [BS/Necro]: 4-6

• Liu Kang [All]: 4-6 (Possible 3-7)

- Kenshi [Possessed]: 4-6

- Takeda [Shirai Ryu]: 4-6

- Kitana [Royal Storm/Assassin]: 4-6 (Possible 3-7. Even this may be a stretch)

- Raiden [Displacer]: 3-7


Tell me if I missed anything and i'll update it later. I have been labbing the ones im not too familiar with, but I am probably wrong on a few.
Discuss!

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For losing I have:
Shirai riu
Cybernetic
Ct
Buzz saw
Tempest
Piercing
Ethereal
Grandmaster
Boneshaper
Imposter
Demo
Possessed

i would add balanced for losing

dribirut said:

For losing I have:
Shirai riu
Cybernetic
Ct
Buzz saw
Tempest
Piercing
Ethereal
Grandmaster
Boneshaper
Imposter
Demo
Possessed

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Reptile doesn't lose to Bone Shaper anymore post patch and he always went even with Impostor in my opinion.

Reptile beats Goro 6-4 in all variations in my opinion.

Fun match-up for Goro though.

SaSSolino said:

Reptile doesn't lose to Bone Shaper anymore post patch and he always went even with Impostor in my opinion.

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No chance. Only player who plays the mu correctly is wound and he abuses the tools that beat reptile in this mu. Also, shinnoks meter building got waaaaay better now. The low scoop nerf is not even a problem since the trades aren't even in reptiles favor anymore and the increases recovery in spit doesn't matter since it will always trade

Reptile gets completely abuses by jump ins. And since at most ranges shinnoks ji k jails into his f4, he is a huge problem

D7X said:

I have not found any MU chart post patch yet. Let's start with something: This thread is for ALL of us to create. Not just me. This thread will be under maintenence for a while. I will not change my answer if you give no reason. Obviously I'm not 100% fluent in all these MUs. Some may be off.

☆ Winning MUs
GORO???
Reptile is mainly even with most characters, but has few winning ones!

• Bo Rai Cho [All]: 6-4 (Not really familiar with BRC at all. Blank guess)

• Leatherface [All]: 6-4 (Another one I'm not too familiar with)

• Kotal Kahn [Blood]: 6-4

• D'Vorah [All]: 6-4 (Possible 7-3)

• Scorpion [Inferno]: 6-4 (Possible 7-3)

• Ferra/Torr [Lackey]: 7-3

• Alien [Tarkatan]: 6-4 (Possible 7-3)

• Jax [All]: (Possible even MU)

• Sonya [Covert Ops]: 6-4 (Possible 5-5)

• Cassie [Brawler/Spec Ops]: 6-4 (Possible 5-5)

• Jacqui [High Tech]: 6-4

• Predator [Warrior]: 6-4

• Erron [Outlaw]: 7-3

• Erron [GS/Marksman] 6-4
☆ Even MUs

• Reptile [Duh]

• Scorpion [Ninjutsu/Hellfire] Possible 6-4 in Ninjutsu's favor.

• Sub Zero [Cryomancer/Unbreakable]: Not too sure about this one.

• Tanya [Kobu Jutsu]: Possible 6-4 in Tanya's favor

• Alien [Acidic/Konjurer]: Possibly in Reptile's favor

• Tremor [All]

• Jason [Relentless/Unstoppable]: Possible win for both.

• Shinnok [Impostor]

• Cassie [Hollywood]

• Kung Lao [Tempest/Hat Trick]

• Sektor

• Smoke: Possible 6-4 in Smoke's favor

• Cyrax (?)

• Cyber Sub Zero (?)

• Predator [Hunter]

☆ Losing MUs

• Kung Lao [Buzz Saw]: 4-6

• Kotal Kahn [War/Sun]: 4-6 (Possible 5-5)

• Sonya Blade [Demolition/Special Forces]: 4-6

• Kano [Cybernetic] 3-7 (Possible 4-6)

•Kano [Cutthroat/Commando]: 4-6 (Not sure about any Kano variation)

• Johnny Cage [All]: 4-6 (Possible 5-5)

• Mileena [Piercing]: 3-7

• Mileena [Ethereal/Ravenous]: 4-6

• Sub Zero [Grandmaster]: 3-7

• Tanya [Pyromancer/Naginata]: 4-6

• Jason [Slasher]; 4-6 (Possible 5-5)

• Predator [Hish Qu Ten]: 4-6 (Possible 3-7)

• Jacqui [Shotgun/Full Auto]: 4-6

• Shinnok [BS/Necro]: 4-6

• Liu Kang [All]: 4-6 (Possible 3-7)





Tell me if I missed anything and i'll update it later. I have been labbing the ones im not too familiar with, but I am probably wrong on a few.
Discuss!

@OFIDYAN @Genocide512 @THTB @Alright RyRy @Syzoth @RM Cossner @Milkman
@others i missed

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Don't want my opinion? :'(

dribirut said:

No chance. Only player who plays the mu correctly is wound and he abuses the tools that beat reptile in this mu. Also, shinnoks meter building got waaaaay better now. The low scoop nerf is not even a problem since the trades aren't even in reptiles favor anymore and the increases recovery in spit doesn't matter since it will always trade

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dribirut said:

Reptile gets completely abuses by jump ins. And since at most ranges shinnoks ji k jails into his f4, he is a huge problem

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I don't know much about jump ins as I play grounded most of the time and I ain't as good as Wound, but yo I know that MU better than most and I don't think Shinnok wins it anymore.

SaSSolino said:

I don't know much about jump ins as I play grounded most of the time and I ain't as good as Wound, but yo I know that MU better than most and I don't think Shinnok wins it anymore.

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I probably have over 2000 games vs wound.. I'll try and record a set next time to show you. But the three main things he abuses that reptile has little or no answer to are:
Jump back 1
Back dash
Jik into f4

There's a lot more but those three really hurt him

dribirut said:

I probably have over 2000 games vs wound.. I'll try and record a set next time to show you. But the three main things he abuses that reptile has little or no answer to are:
Jump back 1
Back dash
Jik into f4

There's a lot more but those three really hurt him

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I actually think the mu got worse since I can't aa anymore.

I think you forgot Kitana

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Lanqu said:

i would add balanced for losing

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I haven't even added him yet lol

HappyPow said:

Don't want my opinion? :'(

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I was in a class. I didn't get a chance to tag everyone yet =/

D7X said:

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I was in a class. I didn't get a chance to tag everyone yet =/

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Should I write it then?

Reptile now has adv over bone shaper. Impostor goes even. Necro loses d/t reptiles mobility.

HappyPow said:

Should I write it then?

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I tagged you in

Da Kitana said:

I think you forgot Kitana

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I did. Let me edit

Alright RyRy said:

Reptile beats Goro 6-4 in all variations in my opinion.

Fun match-up for Goro though.

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Interesting. I hardly know Goro so I need an explanation. I would have said the opposite. Would you say it's the armor breaking punch walk mainly? I find it extremely difficult to break ex Stomp (DU)

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KEY

* 3-7 - Reptile struggles a lot in this. The variation noticeably shuts down Reptile. Not impossible to win, but very difficult.
* 4-6 -Reptile has a bit of trouble with some things the opponent offers. Nothing too major.

* 5-5 - Dead even MU. Both variations have similar tools to cope with.

* 6-4 - Reptile has a slight advantage over the opponent, tool-wise.
* 7-3 - Reptile strongly shuts down many of the main tools the variation has
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☆ Winning MUs

Reptile is mainly even with most characters, but has few winning ones!

• Bo Rai Cho [All]: 6-4 (Not really familiar with BRC at all. Blank guess)

• Leatherface [All]: 6-4 (Another one I'm not too familiar with)

• Kotal Kahn [Blood]: 6-4 Instead of Blood God I'd say War God 7-3

• D'Vorah [All]: 6-4 (Possible 7-3)

• Scorpion [Inferno]: 6-4 (Possible 7-3) Definitly one of the worse MUs 3-7

• Ferra/Torr [Lackey]: 7-3

• Alien [Tarkatan]: 6-4 (Possible 7-3)

• Jax [All]: (Possible even MU) The character has good Tools, a trade is in his favor, I'm OK with 5-5.

• Sonya [Covert Ops]: 6-4 (Possible 5-5)

• Cassie [Brawler/Spec Ops]: 6-4 (Possible 5-5)

• Jacqui [High Tech]: 6-4

• Predator [Warrior]: 6-4

• Erron [Outlaw]: 7-3

• Erron [GS/Marksman]: 6-4 Gunslinger is a 5-5

- Kenshi [Balanced]: 6-4

☆ Even MUs

• Reptile [Duh]

• Scorpion [Ninjutsu/Hellfire] Possible 6-4 in Ninjutsu's favor. Definitly one of Rep worse Mus 3-7 (Ninjutsu is a 4-6)

• Sub Zero [Cryomancer/Unbreakable]: Not too sure about this one.

• Tanya [Kobu Jutsu]: Possible 6-4 in Tanya's favor 4-6 Tanya's favor

• Alien [Acidic/Konjurer]: Possibly in Reptile's favor 6-4 Reptile... Even last patch!

• Tremor [All] I think Crystalline and Metalic are 6-4 but Aftershock 5-5

• Jason [Relentless/Unstoppable]: Possible win for both. Winning MUs for sure, goes even vs Slasher

• Shinnok [Impostor] 4-6 for Impostor

• Cassie [Hollywood]

• Kung Lao [Tempest/Hat Trick] I'd say 5-5 but his spacing is super good, he has good buttons, safe on everything, a dive k and now a faster teleport so might be 4-6

• Sektor One of the 5 worse MUs 3-7

• Smoke: Possible 6-4 in Smoke's favor Goes even.

• Predator [Hunter]

☆ Losing MUs

• Kung Lao [Buzz Saw]: 4-6 Same toughts as above

• Kotal Kahn [War/Sun]: 4-6 (Possible 5-5) Sun/Blood God are 5-5 ; War God 7-3

• Sonya Blade [Demolition/Special Forces]: 4-6 Need to see what happens but I'd say 5-5 thinking about the Tools.

• Kano [Cybernetic] 3-7 (Possible 4-6) 5-5 no matter what is his variation

•Kano [Cutthroat/Commando]: 4-6 (Not sure about Commando)

• Johnny Cage [All]: 4-6 (Possible 5-5) 6-4 in Rep favor

• Mileena [Piercing]: 3-7 One of the worse MUs no matter what because of the variationless moves 3-7

• Mileena [Ethereal/Ravenous]: 4-6 Same as above

• Sub Zero [Grandmaster]: 3-7 I've been wondering why it has always been put as one of the worse if not the MU... Anyway before it was 5-5 (maybe slightly 4-6 but it is just to please you guys) and now it is a 5-5 (maybe a 4-6 but if it is then just because you can't punish the klone after a string by doing an armored laucher and get a full combo "punish" but another advantage appeared for Rep than can make us not wish a go back).

• Tanya [Pyromancer/Naginata]: 4-6 Like every Tanya, variationless moves.

• Jason [Slasher]; 4-6 (Possible 5-5) Ok for 5-5

• Predator [Hish Qu Ten]: 4-6 (Possible 3-7) Ok for... 5-5

• Jacqui [Shotgun/Full Auto]: 4-6 For this one I was like "Mmmmh yeah, 4-6" then "Mmmmh nah 5-5" then... Anyway 5-5.

• Shinnok [BS/Necro]: 4-6 Bone shaper is 5-5 like before, Necro I'd say two of Rep moves make you whiff the zoning but yeah... 5-5

• Liu Kang [All]: 4-6 (Possible 3-7) Not gonna lie on paper I give a 5-5 here but with my own experience... Gonna say "Babe".

- Kenshi [Possessed]: 4-6 You cannot change the side of your teleport with Kenshi right? His zoning tool is a high? His pressure is... His pressure right? 5-5 OR 6-4

- Takeda [Shirai Ryu]: 4-6 Takeda has a bad defense, no wakeup vs Rep, we have brand new Tools.. 6-4 even if he has one of the major tool that can break us down... But he doesn't even follow Rep.

- Kitana [Royal Storm/Assassin]: 4-6 (Possible 3-7. Even this may be a stretch) I'd be Ok with Mornful as a 4-6 but for the rest 5-5



There is some that I haven't change, maybe yet, because I'm dead and I haven't thought about these MUs before. I haven't seen ERMAC so I'll say 3-7 variationless and for Raiden I say 6-4 Master of Storms (or variationless )/ 5-5 Thunder God and 3-7 Displacer.

Reptile beats War God 7-3 imo.

Reptile has better/safer mix and War God has no legit way to get around or contest forceballs outside of I guess EX sword toss. Before he could run up and maybe EX overhead a forceball on start up to start momentum, but that is gone. Now if Reptile gets going from full screen or 3/4ths screen, he can basically get free mix ups by throwing an uncontested forceball and running in. If Kotal jumps, he gets trip guarded, if he does nothing, he gets mixed.

Tarkatan is kind of similar but at least Tarkatan can krawl the forceballs and snag.

Tweedy said:

Reptile beats War God 7-3 imo.

Reptile has better/safer mix and War God has no legit way to get around or contest forceballs outside of I guess EX sword toss. Before he could run up and maybe EX overhead a forceball on start up to start momentum, but that is gone. Now if Reptile gets going from full screen or 3/4ths screen, he can basically get free mix ups by throwing an uncontested forceball and running in. If Kotal jumps, he gets trip guarded, if he does nothing, he gets mixed.

Tarkatan is kind of similar but at least Tarkatan can krawl the forceballs and snag.

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Exactly, that is why it is more a 6-4 than a 7-3 (Plus0 Alien's range is better). That is what I talk about : MUs according to the Tools not to the robbery

(Why am I still a "Noob" :'( )

Tweedy said:

Reptile beats War God 7-3 imo.

Reptile has better/safer mix and War God has no legit way to get around or contest forceballs outside of I guess EX sword toss. Before he could run up and maybe EX overhead a forceball on start up to start momentum, but that is gone. Now if Reptile gets going from full screen or 3/4ths screen, he can basically get free mix ups by throwing an uncontested forceball and running in. If Kotal jumps, he gets trip guarded, if he does nothing, he gets mixed.

Tarkatan is kind of similar but at least Tarkatan can krawl the forceballs and snag.

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I haven't actually labbed War God too much. What I did know about war god is ex DF3 is insanely deadly and takes away his projectiles. Not to mention the sunlight which forces Reptile to come in (Most Times). And Kotal has amazing forward advancing strings. Something that Reptile lacks, maybe besides F21. It is also very easy to poke out of his staggers with that D1 of his

HappyPow said:

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KEY

* 3-7 - Reptile struggles a lot in this. The variation noticeably shuts down Reptile. Not impossible to win, but very difficult.
* 4-6 -Reptile has a bit of trouble with some things the opponent offers. Nothing too major.

* 5-5 - Dead even MU. Both variations have similar tools to cope with.

* 6-4 - Reptile has a slight advantage over the opponent, tool-wise.
* 7-3 - Reptile strongly shuts down many of the main tools the variation has
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☆ Winning MUs

Reptile is mainly even with most characters, but has few winning ones!

• Bo Rai Cho [All]: 6-4 (Not really familiar with BRC at all. Blank guess)

• Leatherface [All]: 6-4 (Another one I'm not too familiar with)

• Kotal Kahn [Blood]: 6-4 Instead of Blood God I'd say War God 7-3

• D'Vorah [All]: 6-4 (Possible 7-3)

• Scorpion [Inferno]: 6-4 (Possible 7-3) Definitly one of the worse MUs 3-7

• Ferra/Torr [Lackey]: 7-3

• Alien [Tarkatan]: 6-4 (Possible 7-3)

• Jax [All]: (Possible even MU) The character has good Tools, a trade is in his favor, I'm OK with 5-5.

• Sonya [Covert Ops]: 6-4 (Possible 5-5)

• Cassie [Brawler/Spec Ops]: 6-4 (Possible 5-5)

• Jacqui [High Tech]: 6-4

• Predator [Warrior]: 6-4

• Erron [Outlaw]: 7-3

• Erron [GS/Marksman]: 6-4 Gunslinger is a 5-5

- Kenshi [Balanced]: 6-4

☆ Even MUs

• Reptile [Duh]

• Scorpion [Ninjutsu/Hellfire] Possible 6-4 in Ninjutsu's favor. Definitly one of Rep worse Mus 3-7 (Ninjutsu is a 4-6)

• Sub Zero [Cryomancer/Unbreakable]: Not too sure about this one.

• Tanya [Kobu Jutsu]: Possible 6-4 in Tanya's favor 4-6 Tanya's favor

• Alien [Acidic/Konjurer]: Possibly in Reptile's favor 6-4 Reptile... Even last patch!

• Tremor [All] I think Crystalline and Metalic are 6-4 but Aftershock 5-5

• Jason [Relentless/Unstoppable]: Possible win for both. Winning MUs for sure, goes even vs Slasher

• Shinnok [Impostor] 4-6 for Impostor

• Cassie [Hollywood]

• Kung Lao [Tempest/Hat Trick] I'd say 5-5 but his spacing is super good, he has good buttons, safe on everything, a dive k and now a faster teleport so might be 4-6

• Sektor One of the 5 worse MUs 3-7

• Smoke: Possible 6-4 in Smoke's favor Goes even.

• Predator [Hunter]

☆ Losing MUs

• Kung Lao [Buzz Saw]: 4-6 Same toughts as above

• Kotal Kahn [War/Sun]: 4-6 (Possible 5-5) Sun/Blood God are 5-5 ; War God 7-3

• Sonya Blade [Demolition/Special Forces]: 4-6 Need to see what happens but I'd say 5-5 thinking about the Tools.

• Kano [Cybernetic] 3-7 (Possible 4-6) 5-5 no matter what is his variation

•Kano [Cutthroat/Commando]: 4-6 (Not sure about Commando)

• Johnny Cage [All]: 4-6 (Possible 5-5) 6-4 in Rep favor

• Mileena [Piercing]: 3-7 One of the worse MUs no matter what because of the variationless moves 3-7

• Mileena [Ethereal/Ravenous]: 4-6 Same as above

• Sub Zero [Grandmaster]: 3-7 I've been wondering why it has always been put as one of the worse if not the MU... Anyway before it was 5-5 (maybe slightly 4-6 but it is just to please you guys) and now it is a 5-5 (maybe a 4-6 but if it is then just because you can't punish the klone after a string by doing an armored laucher and get a full combo "punish" but another advantage appeared for Rep than can make us not wish a go back).

• Tanya [Pyromancer/Naginata]: 4-6 Like every Tanya, variationless moves.

• Jason [Slasher]; 4-6 (Possible 5-5) Ok for 5-5

• Predator [Hish Qu Ten]: 4-6 (Possible 3-7) Ok for... 5-5

• Jacqui [Shotgun/Full Auto]: 4-6 For this one I was like "Mmmmh yeah, 4-6" then "Mmmmh nah 5-5" then... Anyway 5-5.

• Shinnok [BS/Necro]: 4-6 Bone shaper is 5-5 like before, Necro I'd say two of Rep moves make you whiff the zoning but yeah... 5-5

• Liu Kang [All]: 4-6 (Possible 3-7) Not gonna lie on paper I give a 5-5 here but with my own experience... Gonna say "Babe".

- Kenshi [Possessed]: 4-6 You cannot change the side of your teleport with Kenshi right? His zoning tool is a high? His pressure is... His pressure right? 5-5 OR 6-4

- Takeda [Shirai Ryu]: 4-6 Takeda has a bad defense, no wakeup vs Rep, we have brand new Tools.. 6-4 even if he has one of the major tool that can break us down... But he doesn't even follow Rep.

- Kitana [Royal Storm/Assassin]: 4-6 (Possible 3-7. Even this may be a stretch) I'd be Ok with Mornful as a 4-6 but for the rest 5-5



There is some that I haven't change, maybe yet, because I'm dead and I haven't thought about these MUs before. I haven't seen ERMAC so I'll say 3-7 variationless and for Raiden I say 6-4 Master of Storms (or variationless )/ 5-5 Thunder God and 3-7 Displacer.

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Damn. Forgot them. I would put TG and MoS at 6-4, and 3-7 for Displacer. Displacer has always gave me trouble.

D7X said:

I haven't actually labbed War God too much. What I did know about war god is ex DF3 is insanely deadly and takes away his projectiles. Not to mention the sunlight which forces Reptile to come in (Most Times). And Kotal has amazing forward advancing strings. Something that Reptile lacks, maybe besides F21. It is also very easy to poke out of his staggers with that D1 of his

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The sunlight doesn't do anything to Reptile. Reptile just puts forceballs on the screen and can come in for free.

EX DF3 is Kotal spending a bar to disrupt Reptile, if thrown from fullscreen. It never guarantees that he actually gets in. That's pretty bad.

P2W said:

Reptile now has adv over bone shaper. Impostor goes even. Necro loses d/t reptiles mobility.

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there is absolutely no chance he beats bone shaper.. you play the mu wrong man