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Match-Up Discussion - Kano Cutthroat no longer the strongest variation (IMO)

In your opinion, which is Kano's strongest variation?

  • Cutthroat

    Votes: 41 39.4%
  • Commando

    Votes: 31 29.8%
  • Cybernetic

    Votes: 32 30.8%

  • Total voters
    104

MrInsaynne

PG Coach Steve
Let's talk about this. Cutthroat took a bit of a hit (seemingly more than I initially thought) because hes less safe and plus than he used to be. He still has the range (DB1) and damage of course. But now it doesn't seem like he can constantly bully you for free.

Cybernetic advances up due to system changes. The absence of armored launchers means cyber can play with a lot less fear than he used to. A big problem for him before was no matter how many knives we threw or how we pressured the opponent, armored launchers were something to always be scared of because the damage trade was never in our favor if we ate one. We can throw EX knives to break it, but who's to stop them from potentially doing it right after anyway? Kano can break 2 hit armor with EX knives now, but if they do that again, we wont lose 40% for a wrong read. Much more manageable. The stamina changes are a given, we get helped a lot by the fact that if they get hit while running, they cant run again and have to move forward slowly or jump (B1 anti air to 21-33%). And then the timer change was something I've always been in favor of.

Commando has 2 hit armor on almost all of his special moves. Power slam does 19% which is i believe the most damaging armor move (not counting the ones that you need 2 bars to launch). Commando can be very devastating and does good damage in the corner (40 meterless, up to 50% for 2 bars), midscreen damage is ok (he's a grappler, doesnt necessarily need combos). Commando also gets 34% meterless for an anti air B1 and 37% if you want to spend a bar (which is GREAT because people will hold up on him)

Not 100% leaving cutthroat out of the equation, as I do believe he is still better qualified for a few MUs than the other 2. But as of right now I feel cybernetic and commando have a better MU spread.

Discuss!
 
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Error

DF2+R2
I do feel like commando is pretty strong now, most of my losses feel like they're due to my own errors rather than not being able to do anything (except vs ice clone imo)

What are these 40% corner and 37% AA combos you're using with commando?
 
You're right because no people don't have to be on their toes everywhere against cutthroat. I feel like Cybernetic zoning has been boosted by universal nerfs. No more of the days where we could do b121 db1 into ex kano ball lol. Also, I believe Gotcha Grab in pumped up does the most damage at 22%. Or Kitana with sharpen on in assassin for 23% for db1
 

Belial

Noob
Commando has a very potent defence and semi-decent zoning, but hes not exactly a zoner or a rushdown, or a counerzoner. Id say he is pretty strong but doesnt excel in particular field that makes him potentially less effective than Cybernetic. And honestly if you want to counter rushdown just pick unbreakable.
 

kantboy-2

Ripper
If you learned Kano by playing Cyber and CT, then Commando will be fun for you, since you can do the BnB's pretty standard. Just remember to parry every once in a while.
 
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CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Commando has so much now. He does defense better than cyber, he does offense better than cutthroat. My vote goes to Commando.
 

Daemantalo

Not Good Enough
I voted Commando, hands down, not even a contest. Shame, I used to like Cyber, but losing my armored launcher admittedly messed up my defensive play style, so I'm just going to stick with the grappler to scare people into neutral ducking.
 

Daemantalo

Not Good Enough
I do feel like commando is pretty strong now, most of my losses feel like they're due to my own errors rather than not being able to do anything (except vs ice clone imo)

What are these 40% corner and 37% AA combos you're using with commando?
40% Meterless Combo

B312 --> B1 --> 32 --> 112xxRib Strike

I don't have a clue about the AA Combo, but sometimes I do the following

B1 --> B1 --> 32 --> 22xxRib Strike (or Suplex to side switch)
 

Error

DF2+R2
40% Meterless Combo

B312 --> B1 --> 32 --> 112xxRib Strike

I don't have a clue about the AA Combo, but sometimes I do the following

B1 --> B1 --> 32 --> 22xxRib Strike (or Suplex to side switch)
That corner combo does 38% which is where most his combos seem to fall into.
 

MrInsaynne

PG Coach Steve
Im corrected on the midscreen, 1 bar 37% (still great of course), 34% meterless which is strong for an anti air. B1 B1 B1 B1 B1 22 xx Power slam (or rib strike, but be careful with the range you're at). Depends on how early you can react with B1, but you should always get at least 30%

corner combo yes B312, B312, 112xx Rib strike is 40%
 

Daemantalo

Not Good Enough
Im corrected on the midscreen, 1 bar 37% (still great of course), 34% meterless which is strong for an anti air. B1 B1 B1 B1 B1 22 xx Power slam (or rib strike, but be careful with the range you're at). Depends on how early you can react with B1, but you should always get at least 30%

corner combo yes B312, B312, 112xx Rib strike is 40%
Sorry for spreading misinformation on one of the combo damages.
 

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
Cybernetic could potentially be in the conversation for one of the better zoners in the game now, imo.

It's never been a better time to be a #Knifeboi
 

Legion DC

"Another weakling..."
Cybernetic could potentially be in the conversation for one of the better zoners in the game now, imo.

It's never been a better time to be a #Knifeboi
Nah. predator beats kano. I guess I'm garbage against predator maybe but I can't beat the shoulder cannon with cyber or any kano. how about y'all?

I love all kano variations by the way. my favorite is commando though
 

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
Nah. predator beats kano. I guess I'm garbage against predator maybe but I can't beat the shoulder cannon with cyber or any kano. how about y'all?

I love all kano variations by the way. my favorite is commando though
I really wasn't talking match ups, per se. I just think he could be up there. Not as good as Summoner/Predator, but leagues better than he used to be for sure.
 

omooba

fear the moobs
cutthroat is still the best variation because
1) commando has to make how 99999999 reads to win a round cutthroat makes 2
2) cybernetic got better cus of the buffs but his zoning is no where near enough to be where cutthroat is
that said why is commando max meterless dmg mid screen 20% and why is his max 1 bar dmg midscreen barely hitting 30%. How did they just let this slide
 

Parasurama

Dragon
cutthroat is still the best variation because
1) commando has to make how 99999999 reads to win a round cutthroat makes 2
2) cybernetic got better cus of the buffs but his zoning is no where near enough to be where cutthroat is
that said why is commando max meterless dmg mid screen 20% and why is his max 1 bar dmg midscreen barely hitting 30%. How did they just let this slide
Yes, I think cut throat is still the best variation.
 

Zatoichi

Fabulous Goofball
If you know what the opponent's armored wake-up options are, commando can just stop any wake-up attempt with parry.
 

Shade667

#StrongisthenewCute
cutthroat is still the best variation because
1) commando has to make how 99999999 reads to win a round cutthroat makes 2
2) cybernetic got better cus of the buffs but his zoning is no where near enough to be where cutthroat is
that said why is commando max meterless dmg mid screen 20% and why is his max 1 bar dmg midscreen barely hitting 30%. How did they just let this slide
Hes a grappler. Grapplers generally dont get strong midscreen damage. They dont need to.
 

omooba

fear the moobs
Hes a grappler. Grapplers generally dont get strong midscreen damage. They dont need to.
bruh kotal hits 40's 1 bar and over 30 meterless
jason does around 30 meterless over 40 with the buff meterless
ferra/torr does mid 30's 1 bar
subzero does mid 30's
goro does mid 30's
even jax who's supposed to do shitty meterless dmg midscreen does around 30 meterless and mid 30's 1 bar
and even fucking no midscreen dmg having cassie can do around 30 midscreen meterless

kano's max meterless punish midscreen is 20% and for a bar he gets 30% so when you say grapplers i don't know WHO THE FUCK you're talking about :)