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TheGangstaFace

TheGangstaFace

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Wigy said:
I have friends who play many characters, doesnt make me an expert. When mike metroid and irish mantis both agree hes mid tier now and before that was always very good, that carries more weight than your perception based on playing friends.

Most of the community would never have cage anywhere close to top 10 now. You're the only person i've heard saying hes still really good.
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I never said he's top 10. All I'm saying is he's not B tier and I'm not just talking about A-list lol
 
TheGangstaFace

TheGangstaFace

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Wigy said:
Ive been saying hes mid tier. Maybe i got carried away with salty negativity. He has tools to compete but he wont take a major
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I could probably agree with that idk. There doesn't seem to be any Johnnys that use all 3 variations :/ id actually like to see that
 
Karma

Karma

Soul Caliber, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, and SF.
This things about who is actually in the tier list is endless every patch. It just gives NRS an idea what to nerf honestly.
 
BlackJackSnack

BlackJackSnack

Bags of mostly water
hayatei said:
after further review ive come to the conclusion dat i disagree with like 3/4 of this list

B+: Kenshi, Jacqui, ?Johnny Cage?, Alien, Tanya, Tremor, ?Leatherface?, Kung Lao


B: Kotal Kahn, Raiden, Erron Black

jacqui tremor kung lao leatherface kenshi raiden should all be way higher. especially raiden who i believe is one of the contender for top 5 atm.
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I can agree that some characters can move around, can I ask why you think Raiden would be top 5?

He hasn't hardly changed at all in a year. Plus master of storms (yet improved) still isn't a much better variation. Thunder God (along with every other character with rcs) has been toned down. Displacer is better due to the patch but I have no idea what would make someone say he's top 5
 
SpecOps2013

SpecOps2013

Noob
BlackJackSnack said:
I can agree that some characters can move around, can I ask why you think Raiden would be top 5?

He hasn't hardly changed at all in a year. Plus master of storms (yet improved) still isn't a much better variation. Thunder God (along with every other character with rcs) has been toned down. Displacer is better due to the patch but I have no idea what would make someone say he's top 5
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Do u see Displacer's mobility? It's insane. He may be a top 5 in this meta.
 
Skylight1

Skylight1

Noob
SpecOps2013 said:
Do u see Displacer's mobility? It's insane. He may be a top 5 in this meta.
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"Displacer's "mobility", Ethereal says hello. Ethereal does what Displacer really can't do or is quite limited to and nets better damage. Hell I'd even reckon (don't take my word on it,) that Reptile Deceptive can do some huge things still in this current meta that Displacer has been doing but just now received recognition for now in this patch.
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Noob
hayatei said:
ronin legit isnt dat great for many reasons right now

i count 16 characters who have atleast 1 variation that beats it

it doesn't matter cuz no one will ever know the match up asides for my training partners and the top players. it's legit been like that since ive been competing and i don't think that will suddenly change until we are all done with the game
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Don't you think his neutral game overall is good enough to keep him high mid?

His 21 and B11 give him maybe the best mid range in MKX, would you disagree? He's no slouch from fullscreen either. Sure his overhead got slower, but doesn't the game just become getting respect, to open people up with your slower 50/50s?

No one is reacting to 20 or 21 frames. It's not like Ronin is horribly unsafe off of either of them.

I know the MU bruh hold that D1 flip kappa.
 
hayatei

hayatei

Noob
Tweedy said:
Don't you think his neutral game overall is good enough to keep him high mid?

His 21 and B11 give him maybe the best mid range in MKX, would you disagree? He's no slouch from fullscreen either. Sure his overhead got slower, but doesn't the game just become getting respect, to open people up with your slower 50/50s?

No one is reacting to 20 or 21 frames. It's not like Ronin is horribly unsafe off of either of them.

I know the MU bruh hold that D1 flip kappa.
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only if his neutral game wasn't a huge bill outside of counterzoning shinnok and kitana. he is not a true zoner. his only gameplan is playing footsies and fake zoning atm

his midrange has a huge deadzone with the b2 nerf and a lot of chars can turtle there and only thing you can do is make the type of hard read that your opponent never has to take. like kenjutsu/smoke for example.

b11 is not a midrange move and s2 isn't anything special

quick calls are overnerfed

you can't play him and try to earn respect then 50/50 its simply not a gameplan for the character. you can 50/50 from bf2 oki or fireball meaty, outside of that its not one of his strenght at all and he absolutely doesnt need it to be either. B2 nerf problem is how it hurts his mid range and you cant stop jumps anymore. not that you wont be able to b2/b3 sometimes as a mix up but it just wont work much at the highest level/against top players

b2 shoulda just been a mid prob. the variation is mid tier at best probably
 
S

Shade667

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Skylight1 said:
Hell I'd even reckon (don't take my word on it,) that Reptile Deceptive can do some huge things still in this current meta that Displacer has been doing but just now received recognition for now in this patch.
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Deceptive isnt nearly as plus tho. Hes like +4 on average.
 
T

TheFatal

Noob
jax place after last patch is right; heavy weapons is dead two other has no possibility to play against good zone players
 
RyuKazuya

RyuKazuya

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Id really say that Tremor needs to be much higher. He really has some insane stuff when it comes to his crystaline tools. His pressure and chip potential is really good.

Also Kano should be maybe S-Tier since his 50/50s are still insanely good imo. He might have some mus that might be harder to deal with. Yet he has S-Tier potential.
 
A F0xy Grampa

A F0xy Grampa

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xKhaoTik said:
I feel like mileena is so slept on now. She still has like every tool in the game and nothing super bad happened to her
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No mid to check in any variation is huge.

People saying Mileena is still good are wrong IMO.
Ethereal is mostly a bill, ex fade is good for defense but not for offence, since she doesn't have a quick enough mid she's weak to a lot of mashing in this version of the game.

You don't really have to respect her ex fade unless it comes from f23 or f13

Ravenous has a 12f pounce but it's not enough cause on block it puts her right back where she doesn't wanna be.
 
Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Dankster Morgan said:
S: Ermac, Jason, Sonya, Sub-Zero, Kitana, Takeda, Predator, Liu Kang, Smoke

A: Alien, Ferra/Torr, Kenshi, Scorpion, Mileena, Jacqui, Shinnok, Kano, Kotal, Reptile, Quan, Tremor

B: Jax, Cassie, Kung Lao, Kung Jin, Tanya, Bo Rai Cho, Leatherface, D'Vorah, Raiden, Goro, Sektor

B-: Cage, Erron Black

C: Cyrax, Cyber Sub-Zero

These are my initial reactions, A could be broken up into a plus and regular group, but I don't know the new game well enough yet though.

S: the best
A: great
B: good
B-: pretty good
C: pretty not good
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Ok I'd change some things now and I'm ready to add an A+ to seperate the A group. Characters aren't ordered within a tier, any character in the same tier could theoretically be better than any other they share a tier with. I counted the Triborgs as different characters entirely, but if they were counted as the same, then CSZ and Cyrax being low tier wouldn't effect Sektor and Smoke which would make Erron Black the worst character in the game as a whole.

S: Ermac, Jason, Sonya, Sub-Zero, Kitana, Predator, Smoke

A+: Takeda, Mileena, Liu Kang, Tremor, Reptile, Kano, Quan

A: Shinnok, Ferra/Torr, Kenshi, Scorpion, Raiden, Jacqui, Kotal Kahn, Sektor, Tanya, Alien

B+: Cassie, Kung Lao, Kung Jin, Goro

B: Bo Rai Cho, Leatherface, D'Vorah, Cage

B-: Jax, Erron Black

C: Cyber Sub-Zero, Cyrax

S: the most dominant characters in the game, few losing matchups and many dominant ones

A+: a dick tip away from the top, has either slightly less winning or more losing than the S group

A: very good characters, not as overly dominant as the A+ and S, typically at least 1-3 very hard matchups

B+: good and solid characters, but unlike the A tier have several key exploitable weaknesses with some very hard matchups

B: very close to the B+ but have been abused by Paulo a bit more

B-: not bad characters per say, but have big weaknesses that hold them back, but are still useful for a few matchups

C: numerous and exploitable weaknesses that will hold them back, they are no true counter pick, they have some strengths that keep there from being a D tier, but these C tier characters don't really fulfill an archetype that isn't already filled by a better character.

I also still think it's funny that some things never change. Tremor, Quan, Raiden, and Reptile are still the most disturbingly underrated characters in the game.
 
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D7X

D7X

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Dankster Morgan said:
Ok I'd change some things now and I'm ready to add an A+ to seperate the A group. Characters aren't ordered within a tier, any character in the same tier could theoretically be better than any other they share a tier with. I counted the Triborgs as different characters entirely, but if they were counted as the same, then CSZ and Cyrax being low tier wouldn't effect Sektor and Smoke which would make Erron Black the worst character in the game as a whole.

S: Ermac, Jason, Sonya, Sub-Zero, Kitana, Predator, Smoke

A+: Takeda, Mileena, Liu Kang, Tremor, Reptile, Kano, Quan

A: Shinnok, Ferra/Torr, Kenshi, Scorpion, Raiden, Jacqui, Kotal Kahn, Sektor, Tanya

B+: Cassie, Kung Lao, Kung Jin, Goro

B: Bo Rai Cho, Leatherface, D'Vorah, Cage

B-: Jax, Erron Black

C: Cyber Sub-Zero, Cyrax

S: the most dominant characters in the game, few losing matchups and many dominant ones (1-7)

A+: a dick tip away from the top, has either slightly less winning or more losing than the a group (8-14)

A: very good characters, not as overly dominant as he A+ and S, typically at least 1-3 very hard matchups (15-23)

B+: good and solid characters, but unlike the A tier have several key exploitable weaknesses with some very hard matchups

B: very close to the B+ but have been abused by Paulo a bit more

B-: not bad characters per say, but have big weaknesses that hold them back, but are still useful for a few matchups

C: numerous and exploitable weaknesses that will hold them back, they are no true counter pick, they have some strengths that keep there from being a D tier, but these C tier characters don't really fulfill an archetype that isn't already filled by a better character.

I also still think it's funny that some things never change. Tremor, Quan, Raiden, and Reptile are still the most disturbingly underrated characters in the game.
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I actually put Displacer in top 5 lol
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Noob
Dankster you are so wrong about Lord Cyrax and Cyber Sub.

Those characters are a good example of how underdeveloped = bad in this community. A trend that needs to die.
 
Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Tweedy said:
Dankster you are so wrong about Lord Cyrax and Cyber Sub.

Those characters are a good example of how underdeveloped = bad in this community. A trend that needs to die.
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I just can't see it. What do they do that is good? Read my discription for C tier. I never used the word "bad" or "garbage". I think my description is appropriate for CSZ and Cyrax. It's not like those characters have lacked representation, REO played and dropped CSZ, Mustard has stuck with Cyrax, the characters just are what they are.
 
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Trauma_and_Pain

Trauma_and_Pain

Filthy Casual
Ferra/Torr is A+, since you said this pertains to the best variation. Ruthless stronk.

And why is Jax D? Did something tragic happen to him like getting his arms ripped off again?
 
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Trauma_and_Pain

Trauma_and_Pain

Filthy Casual
I think there are only 3 tiers. Game is in the best state of balance since launch. My impressions right now, hope I didn't forget any:

S: Mileena, Predator, Ermac, Sub
A+: Takeda, Jason, Sonya, Shinnok, Triborg, Quan, Kano, F/T, Goro, Kitana, Alien, Tanya, Reptile, Liu Kang, Jacqui
A: Cass, Tremor, Lao, Kenshi, Bo Rai Cho, Leatherface, Kotal, Scorp, Raiden, Erron Black, Kung Jin, D'Vorrah, Jax, Johnny
 
Skylight1

Skylight1

Noob
Trauma_and_Pain said:
I think there are only 3 tiers. Game is in the best state of balance since launch. My impressions right now, hope I didn't forget any:

S: Mileena, Predator, Ermac, Sub
A+: Takeda, Jason, Sonya, Shinnok, Triborg, Quan, Kano, F/T, Goro, Kitana, Alien, Tanya, Reptile, Liu Kang, Jacqui
A: Cass, Tremor, Lao, Kenshi, Bo Rai Cho, Leatherface, Kotal, Scorp, Raiden, Erron Black, Kung Jin, D'Vorrah, Jax, Johnny
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This is a nice dream but sadly, there's no such thing as a fighting game without a C or D/F tier. This game is NOWHERE NEAR that balanced.
 
CrazyFingers

CrazyFingers

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Skylight1 said:
This is a nice dream but sadly, there's no such thing as a fighting game without a C or D/F tier. This game is NOWHERE NEAR that balanced.
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No, on release this game was nowhere near balance. This game AT LEAST lives in the same neighborhood but maybe the less nice area of the neighborhood.
 
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