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xKhaoTik

The Ignore Button Is Free
Now that we are a couple weeks into the patch, there's been a lot of talk about tiers and who is good and whatnot. With that, I thought now would be a good time to discuss who you think was buffed/nerfed the most.

This isn't a "who is the best/worst character" topic. It's simply who you think received the most buffs/nerfs.

For example, I believe Kitana was blessed the most with the last patch. She can literally do everything in the game now. Not the best at everything but good at what she does, whether it be zoning, rushing, spacing/playing footsies, damage, etc. Because of that, she has also jumped a ton in the tier list as well, being a potential S Tier.

On the other end of the spectrum, I believe D'Vorah (Swarm Queen) was hit the most. With the stamina nerf, her cancels are hit pretty bad. Puddle nerf seriously destroyed a good portion of her core gameplay as well. Just 2 nerfs, but big enough to change an entire character. Not saying she's super bad, but it's obvious she isn't as good as she used to be.






Let's talk.
 
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Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Well I was gonna pick the exact same two as you but for the sake of discussion I'll say my runner ups.

Blessed: Sub-Zero. Went from middle of the mid to top tier, kind of a no brainer.

Hit: Alien. From top 1-3 to mid tier. Still has the same great footsies, mixups and overall neutral domination, but is extremely unsafe on everything. Basically he is balanced now lol.
 

Osagri

Fear the blade of Osh-Tekk
What happened with sun God? I didn't really read up on his notes. I know f1(?) Is a high now and pizza isn't as plus.
B1 is high,2hits of armor on grab,f1 is -2 on block,f12 is-1 on block,b32 is+2 on block. They also have increased pushback
 

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
Well I was gonna pick the exact same two as you but for the sake of discussion I'll say my runner ups.

Blessed: Sub-Zero. Went from middle of the mid to top tier, kind of a no brainer.

Hit: Alien. From top 1-3 to mid tier. Still has the same great footsies, mixups and overall neutral domination, but is extremely unsafe on everything. Basically he is balanced now lol.
I would say that he's a bit blessed. Pre-patch used to run towards the opponent and catching off guard the opponent by sliding or just D4xxIK. Since the stamina got nerfed, I have no other choice that to dash forward and try to duck or duck block. :/

Generally, Sub Zero got a bit more...basic. My running was my best gameplay to catch everyone by doing either B12 or 123 cancelling inro Ice Klone. Now it's kind of gone. :/

He's blessed, because now he got the fast pokes.

If the nerf wasn't on the stamina, Sub Zero would be uber alles.
 

Professor Oak

Are you a boy or girl?
I would say that he's a bit blessed. Pre-patch used to run towards the opponent and catching off guard the opponent by sliding or just D4xxIK. Since the stamina got nerfed, I have no other choice that to dash forward and try to duck or duck block. :/

Generally, Sub Zero got a bit more...basic. My running was my best gameplay to catch everyone by doing either B12 or 123 cancelling inro Ice Klone. Now it's kind of gone. :/

He's blessed, because now he got the fast pokes.

If the nerf wasn't on the stamina, Sub Zero would be uber alles.
That's exactly why they nerfed stamina. Getting in was way to easy.
 

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
That's exactly why they nerfed stamina. Getting in was way to easy.
It was my best game to deal with the zoners and the teleporters. Now it's an easy game for every zoner and teleporter. Gotta re-lab my char to find a proper way to re-reach my opponents in a different way. :/
 

Wolverine32

PSN: ADM_Wolverine
It was my best game to deal with the zoners. Now it's an easy game for every zoner. Gotta re-lab my char to find a proper way to re-reach my opponents in a different way. :/
Patience. You also have a nearly full screen slide with 2 hits of armor to blow up zoning on a read. Zoning against sub, you can only walk back so far before you're in ice clone jail. That won't solve every issue, because bad match ups are bad match ups regardless. But sprinting full kamikaze is still an option, you just suffer more because of it. It didn't make the game easy for every zoner. It made it more difficult for those who just ran in because they could with little to no consequences.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
I would say that he's a bit blessed. Pre-patch used to run towards the opponent and catching off guard the opponent by sliding or just D4xxIK. Since the stamina got nerfed, I have no other choice that to dash forward and try to duck or duck block. :/

Generally, Sub Zero got a bit more...basic. My running was my best gameplay to catch everyone by doing either B12 or 123 cancelling inro Ice Klone. Now it's kind of gone. :/

He's blessed, because now he got the fast pokes.

If the nerf wasn't on the stamina, Sub Zero would be uber alles.
He's never been better than he is now.
 

Professor Oak

Are you a boy or girl?
It was my best game to deal with the zoners and the teleporters. Now it's an easy game for every zoner and teleporter. Gotta re-lab my char to find a proper way to re-reach my opponents in a different way. :/
Most teleports are very unsafe, outside of Displacer ex tele and Ethereal Fade. It just takes patience to get past zoning. Running should never have been so good. It being nerfed didn't make the game easier for Zoners, it made Zoning doable.

Subs ex Ice ball eats other projectiles, which is great for counter zoning. Unbreakable can aura and take no chip from blocked projectiles and parry reflects them back at an angle. Offense is still the stronger play style, but running in to start your offense was OD. Play footsies, Breh.
 

Second Saint

A man with too many names.
Even outside of SQ, it's a very mixed bag for D'vorah. A slew of nerfs for BM, but in exchange, her combos are actually possible. I kind of understand that because she'd have had a 30% true metered vortex, so I guess some adjustments were necessary.

Venomous got a fancy new armor move, but lost basically her signature move in EX Spray. Defense is better, offense is decidedly worse.
 

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
Patience. You also have a nearly full screen slide with 2 hits of armor to blow up zoning on a read. Zoning against sub, you can only walk back so far before you're in ice clone jail. That won't solve every issue, because bad match ups are bad match ups regardless. But sprinting full kamikaze is still an option, you just suffer more because of it. It didn't make the game easy for every zoner. It made it more difficult for those who just ran in because they could with little to no consequences.
Most teleports are very unsafe, outside of Displacer ex tele and Ethereal Fade. It just takes patience to get past zoning. Running should never have been so good. It being nerfed didn't make the game easier for Zoners, it made Zoning doable.

Subs ex Ice ball eats other projectiles, which is great for counter zoning. Unbreakable can aura and take no chip from blocked projectiles and parry reflects them back at an angle. Offense is still the stronger play style, but running in to start your offense was OD. Play footsies, Breh.
Thanks for the tips, bros.

Oak, running was my forte, because I could slide the instant I saw every character's animation of trying to throw anything or teleport on me. For some awkward reason, I developed a new trick of keeping duck and do a fast input for the slide without standing up (I used to do it to charge Major Bison's electric fly with the same inputs).

The worst part is that the armor is only on Icy Slide on all variations. Thanks to this, the YOLO slide got stuck on me, because I wanted to get out of the corner. I used to do Frost Bomb to get everybody off me, just like how Displacer Raiden's AA shocker do have, but now, since the Frost Bomb lost its armor, I have no other options to get out of there than jumping over, or wallrunning or Back Throwing or just the YOLO Icy Slide. I'm in the verge of not using it too often, except only in the center area.

Gotta re-train to get used to the new game till I get used to this new GM.
 

xInfra Deadx

Gimmick stolen by Jordan Peele
Blessed: Shinnok, Predator, Sub Zero, Scorpion, Liu Kang, Kung Jin, Goro, Tremor, Kung Lao

Hit: Jacqui, Jax, Johnny Cage (Barely though...), Erron Black, Alien (Barely...again.), Devorah (Still braindead), Kenshi (Nah, not really)
 

colby4898

Special Forces Sonya Up-player
It was my best game to deal with the zoners and the teleporters. Now it's an easy game for every zoner and teleporter. Gotta re-lab my char to find a proper way to re-reach my opponents in a different way. :/
Feel free to hit me up on psn to practice against Special Forces and Sorcerer :)
 
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Tweedy

Noob
blessed - takeda

dont let these downplayers tell you different.
reading the takeda forums since the patch is like reading the cage forum from day 1
Why? I get that Takeda is being downplayed and Hayatei's trolling is fueling it, but how is he more blessed than Kitana, Sub Zero, etc?