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Discussion 10/21/16 Tier List (Spicy)

Professor Oak

Professor Oak

Are you a boy or girl?
Sleeping on Reptile, Syzzzoth.

I think:
Kitana
Ermac
Smoke
Sub Zero
Mileena
Sonya
Takeda
Reptile
Shinnok
Predator

Are all in the top 10 right now, but the order isn't clear and my opinion could change. Tremor, Jason, and Liu Kang all seem really strong too.
 
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TheGangstaFace

TheGangstaFace

Psn, Xbox, Twitter: TheGangstaFace
D7X said:
ill add lao. I forgot to add possible A Tier on johnny too I wouldnt put him any higher tho
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I personally think he's a solid A. A-List is still strong and Stunt Double is good. I haven't played or played against Fisticuffs so I can't comment on that but he looks better lol
 
Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
S: Ermac, Jason, Sonya, Sub-Zero, Kitana, Takeda, Predator, Liu Kang, Smoke

A: Alien, Ferra/Torr, Kenshi, Scorpion, Mileena, Jacqui, Shinnok, Kano, Kotal, Reptile, Quan, Tremor

B: Jax, Cassie, Kung Lao, Kung Jin, Tanya, Bo Rai Cho, Leatherface, D'Vorah, Raiden, Goro, Sektor

B-: Cage, Erron Black

C: Cyrax, Cyber Sub-Zero

These are my initial reactions, A could be broken up into a plus and regular group, but I don't know the new game well enough yet though.

S: the best
A: great
B: good
B-: pretty good
C: pretty not good
 
CrazyFingers

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Skylight1 said:
Shinnok shouldn't be that high up, I don't think. He kinda got hit hard in Impostor and Bone Shaper. Necromancer is still the same regardless of anything so Necromancer would still be his worst variant.
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He got an insanely fast mid starter in bone shaper, has shoulder mind games, great space control/zoning, a 7f low starter and good pressure on block. How is that getting hit hard for Bone Shaper?
 
CrazyFingers

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
AND he has a pretty good 50/50 game. Yea hellsparks is less plus but he has EVERYTHING you need on a character. Checks all of the boxes.
 
Skylight1

Skylight1

Noob
CrazyFingers said:
He got an insanely fast mid starter in bone shaper, has shoulder mind games, great space control/zoning, a 7f low starter and good pressure on block. How is that getting hit hard for Bone Shaper?
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Shoulder mind games... something you have to enhance in order to get anything from otherwise, it's a HKD. "Good pressure" anyone smart can see that Shinnok is hugely negative on his frames and his "pressure" is obsolete as a whole due to pokes and other stuff that will come out much faster and be effectively better than his own. F4 kinda does F3's job for him and much better really IMHO. And yeah Hell Sparks isn't as effective as it once was. It's still a good zoning tool don't get me wrong on that but it's avoidable with patience and well-placed timing. I fought an Ancestral Kung Jin and the times I would use Hell sparks, he'd just jump right over the sparks like it was nothing and counter it with his dive kick.
 
Matix218

Matix218

Get over here!
Dankster Morgan said:
S: Ermac, Jason, Sonya, Sub-Zero, Kitana, Takeda, Predator, Liu Kang, Smoke

A: Alien, Ferra/Torr, Kenshi, Scorpion, Mileena, Jacqui, Shinnok, Kano, Kotal, Reptile, Quan, Tremor

B: Jax, Cassie, Kung Lao, Kung Jin, Tanya, Bo Rai Cho, Leatherface, D'Vorah, Raiden, Goro, Sektor

B-: Cage, Erron Black

C: Cyrax, Cyber Sub-Zero

These are my initial reactions, A could be broken up into a plus and regular group, but I don't know the new game well enough yet though.

S: the best
A: great
B: good
B-: pretty good
C: pretty not good
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I like this one much more
 
Wigy

Wigy

There it is...
TheGangstaFace said:
Also Johnny at B tier????? You're sleeping hard fam lol
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Do explain. Most of the johnny community, even the top players who said he was good when everyone thought he was midtier are in agreement hes crap now.

I can explain if you want me to.
 
Wigy

Wigy

There it is...
:DOGE:DOGE
CrazyFingers said:
Did you actually just tell Myri to play Bo a little? Do you know what he's done for the Bo community?
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Oh right my bad had no idea who he was. Theres a lot of people who say bo's good cause the mixups etc havent not played.

Blow me up lol:DOGE
 
thlityoursloat

thlityoursloat

kick kick
STRYKIE said:
Are we really placing Jax in the bottom 2 cause of one matchup?
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Like I said before, he was still massively nerfed in the WU/reversal department. Plus HW is straight up trash now, you can't do a rocket cancel (most of which are -ve so lol) into a midscreen 1 bar combo anymore.
 
TheGangstaFace

TheGangstaFace

Psn, Xbox, Twitter: TheGangstaFace
Wigy said:
Do explain. Most of the johnny community, even the top players who said he was good when everyone thought he was midtier are in agreement hes crap now.

I can explain if you want me to.
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The Johnny community is also known to downplay hard af. He was potential top 5. He still has all the strengths he had before. What else do you want me to say? Except his wake up options.

As far as cancel characters go A-list can at least Dash cancel combos. He's got good staggers, damage, restand with lots of hit advantage, hell even decent zoning, D4 is so godlike. Cancel characters aren't dead also by any means. Just because A-list doesn't get braindead pressure anymore or fly across the screen by whiff cancelling all day doesn't mean he's bad. His neutral is pretty good with D4, fireballs, F3 string. Godlike Njp, S1 is a pretty good antiair as well
 
Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Cage definitely isn't bad, but let's be serious, he isn't anywhere near what he was.
Cage has:
1. Bad armor. I know it's safe on block but it does no damage, its a high, abysmal risk/reward
2. Bad mixups
3. Extremely stamina dependent to get in, then has none when he needs it to do anything semi-effective
4. Good pokes
5. Good normals
6. His pressure is a pretty mixed bag. He can jail off of somethings but it's not what it used to be. That being said, he doesn't have to fear getting launched, so it's whatever.

He's just not what he used to be, but he doesn't suck.
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Noob
Most boring tier list incoming, because I think the game is decently balanced.

S: Ermac, Predator, Smoke, Mileena, Sonya, Jason

A+: Sub Zero, Quan, Reptile, Sektor, Kitana, Kano

A: Shinnok, Kotal Khan, Raiden, Liu Kang, Takeda, Goro, Tanya, Kenshi, Tremor, BRC, Kung Jin, Jacqui, Scorpion, Kung Lao

A-: Johnny Cage, Alien, Erron Black, Cassie, D'vorah, Leatherface, Cyber Sub Zero

B+: Jax, Cyrax

Edit: Going by best variation. Balanced Kenshi is definitely not A tier for example.
 
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Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Tweedy said:
Most boring tier list incoming, because I think the game is decently balanced.

S: Ermac, Predator, Smoke, Mileena, Sonya, Jason

A+: Sub Zero, Quan, Reptile, Sektor, Kitana, Kano

A: Shinnok, Kotal Khan, Raiden, Liu Kang, Takeda, Goro, Tanya, Kenshi, Tremor, BRC, Kung Jin, Jacqui, Scorpion, Kung Lao

A-: Johnny Cage, Alien, Erron Black, Cassie, D'vorah, Leatherface

B+: Jax

Edit: Going by best variation. Balanced Kenshi is definitely not A tier for example.
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This is a better version of my list basically. I'd put Sub, Shinnok, Liu, Kitana, Takeda, and Alien up, and Cage, Sektor, and Erron Black down
 
x TeeJay o

x TeeJay o

Canary Cry Gapless Pressure
HoneyBee said:
Glad to see the majority knows that D'Vorah is pretty bad now. Swarm Queen is not viable imo. Brood Mother is her best variation IMO but it's mid tier at best. Doesn't really have any winning MUs and still loses to all the top tiers.

When's Injustice 2?
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yup just got finished saying this exact thing on a status. Literally she's pointless to play.


Dankster Morgan said:
A: Alien, Ferra/Torr, Kenshi, Scorpion, Mileena, Jacqui, Shinnok, Kano, Kotal, Reptile, Quan, Tremor
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Alien is not A at all. Hes B- imo and B at best. Konjurer might be A, but acidic and tarkatan aren't that great. Acidic zoning is still pretty decent, but once u get in rip for him.Sure he can cancel into acid blood/acid spray for pseudo safeness, but the DOT does not stack up to what it used to be and there are gaps galore. He's full combo punishable pretty much at all times and honestly i just don't see a reason to ever use the character at all.
 
Dankster Morgan

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
lookgirlitsteejay said:
yup just got finished saying this exact thing on a status. Literally she's pointless to play.




Alien is not A at all. Hes B- imo and B at best. Konjurer might be A, but acidic and tarkatan aren't that great. Acidic zoning is still pretty decent, but once u get in rip for him.Sure he can cancel into acid blood/acid spray for pseudo safeness, but the DOT does not stack up to what it used to be and there are gaps galore. He's full combo punishable pretty much at all times and honestly i just don't see a reason to ever use the character at all.
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Tarkatan is garbage, Acidic still has good footsies, zoning, okay safety with spray, good zoning, good mixups albeit unsafe, I think he is a solid mid tier. Konjurer is alright too.
 
D7X

D7X

EMPEROR | D7X
Tweedy said:
Most boring tier list incoming, because I think the game is decently balanced.

S: Ermac, Predator, Smoke, Mileena, Sonya, Jason

A+: Sub Zero, Quan, Reptile, Sektor, Kitana, Kano

A: Shinnok, Kotal Khan, Raiden, Liu Kang, Takeda, Goro, Tanya, Kenshi, Tremor, BRC, Kung Jin, Jacqui, Scorpion, Kung Lao

A-: Johnny Cage, Alien, Erron Black, Cassie, D'vorah, Leatherface, Cyber Sub Zero

B+: Jax, Cyrax

Edit: Going by best variation. Balanced Kenshi is definitely not A tier for example.
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Can I ask why Alien is so low? I feel Acidic is still solid
 
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