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Discussion 10/21/16 Tier List (Spicy)

BlackJackSnack

BlackJackSnack

Bags of mostly water
Eddy Wang said:
every KL variation is good, he can do damage consistently now and not only in tempest anymore, and they all share the exact same problems aside from a few that are more lenient here and there.
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I agree he is somewhat high, I haven't been able to play many KLs since the patch. I just know his tele is better along with buzzsaw and hat trick getting buffs

Enlighten me what are his main weaknesses that make him drop down? Also would you have him drop only one tier?
 
D7X

D7X

EMPEROR | D7X
Here's my list. No particular order!

S: Ermac, Predator, Kitana, Sub Zero, Jason.

A+: Mileena, Goro, Shinnok, Jacqui, Kenshi, Alien.

A: Reptile (Could be A+), Sonya, Quan Chi, Triborg, Tremor (Could be A+), Takeda, Kano, Liu Kang, Raiden (Could be A+), Ferra/Torr, Cassie, Scorpion.

B+: Tanya, Bo Rai Cho (Could be A), Leatherface, Johnny, Kotal, Erron Black, D'Vorah

B: Kung Jin, Jax.

Lemme know if i missed any and i want some feedback!!!
@PND_Ketchup @PND_Mustard @A F0xy Grampa @STB Shujinkydink @Big D @others
 
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Gofer_MK

Noob
D7X said:
Here's my list. No particular order!

S: Ermac, Predator, Kitana, Sub Zero, Jason.

A+: Mileena, Goro, Shinnok, Jacqui, Kenshi, Alien.

A: Reptile (Could be A+), Sonya, Quan Chi, Triborg, Tremor (Could be A+), Takeda, Kano, Liu Kang, Raiden (Could be A+), Ferra/Torr, Cassie, Scorpion.

B+: Tanya, Bo Rai Cho (Could be A), Leatherface, Johnny, Kotal, Erron Black, D'Vorah

B: Kung Jin, Jax.

Lemme know if i missed any and i want some feedback!!!
@PND_Ketchup @PND_Mustard @A F0xy Grampa @STB Shujinkydink @Big D @others
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Are Kung Jin and Jax really the worst overall? I don't see it. Generally after this patch, every character has its use, and for me there is no "worst" character. There are cartain variations, but every character has at least one good to great variation.
 
Skedar70

Skedar70

Noob
F/T is C??? Hell no. I think there is only 3 tiers at the most 4. Mileena is still above everyone else but not by much. The bottom tier includes some variations that suck for example Warrior and maybe lackey. Sonya is no longer S tier. Don't confuse scar being good with Sonya being top tier.
 
SpecOps2013

SpecOps2013

Noob
Skedar70 said:
F/T is C??? Hell no. I think there is only 3 tiers at the most 4. Mileena is still above everyone else but not by much. The bottom tier includes some variations that suck for example Warrior and maybe lackey. Sonya is no longer S tier. Don't confuse scar being good with Sonya being top tier.
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I agree that Ferra/Torr is not C. Ruthless is still a very good variation.
 
Captain l2ed

Captain l2ed

White wolf
Swap kang and Lao.
People are sleeping on kang, and people are overestimating lao. Lack of armor on ex spin and ex tele having awful tracking hurts him. Lao is A at best, Kang is A+ at worst. But tier lists are always salty and a time bomb so I'll apologize to anyone I might have offended. Lel
 
myri

myri

Time Warrior
Probably too early still to be discussing this but...

Ermac is S, he barely got touched and is still super strong

Bo is at least A, maybe even A+ with all his mobility and a parry

Smoke should be S tier, easily top five I reckon

Probably move Kitana up to S tier as well
 
D7X

D7X

EMPEROR | D7X
Gofer_MK said:
Are Kung Jin and Jax really the worst overall? I don't see it. Generally after this patch, every character has its use, and for me there is no "worst" character. There are cartain variations, but every character has at least one good to great variation.
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No. But like the op, I tried to emulate how he did the tiers. They're not far behind honestly
 
D7X

D7X

EMPEROR | D7X
SpecOps2013 said:
It has to do with the run cancel nerfs. D'vorah is only good because of the cancels. No cancels=D'vorah is bad
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No. That's hardly the reason she is bad, though it did hurt. I'm talking for Swarm Queen. Pretty much all of her setups are gimmicks and not true. The stealth nerf for her puddle, 9 more recovery frames hurt her the most, with it being only +3 or so on block. F11 after the puddle hits on block is not true anymore. I believe Swarm is her worst variation now
 
Eddy Wang

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
BlackJackSnack said:
I agree he is somewhat high, I haven't been able to play many KLs since the patch. I just know his tele is better along with buzzsaw and hat trick getting buffs

Enlighten me what are his main weaknesses that make him drop down? Also would you have him drop only one tier?
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mobility is the main issue

Lao backdash is pretty bad doesn't avoid anything outside of some gaps, walkspeed either forward or backward are pretty bad too, making his neutral game kinda difficult to establish.
Slow NJP, can't wakeup even with meter, which is easily exploitable.

Too many high strings less mids and way negative in some of them at the end which make his neutral game with the current walkspeeds and backdash dificult to achieve.

11212 whiffing issues due short hitbox
112124 last hit can be crouch blocked before it happens making it whiff

Spin is a good AA but it requires more inputs than pressing a button so those 6f jump kicks with 13 active frames are kinda dificult to anti-air for him.
Dive kick is a good 6f launcher that hits mid, but its punishable and very risky to use, but its the best option he has to beat out some things in general.

He feels like B+ at the very best, and putting him in A is kinda pushing it.

The only thing that worked great for Lao in this meta is damage, he gained staminaless combos, consistency combos so in general his drop factor got heavily reduced indeed, his offense threat post breaker in any variation got recovered even for hat trick, but his neutral stayed just the same, his wakeup game got weakened.
 
Eddy Wang

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
Scorpion should be moved to A, his neutral game in general got a lot better, and ppl cannot randomly jump over him anymore, s3 hits anything out of the air that is not a disjointed hitbox, no more armored launchers, good walkspeeds and good buttons.
On top of that his j3 condition anyone to not anti-air him at all since it can be done very earlier at the top of the air and still hit ppl trying to crouch to trip guard punish him, and he still can mix with teleport cancel while in air to escape anti airs attempts on him.

No more armored launchers in the game buffed flame aura pressure since its broken, he can do it a poke distance away, recover first while the aura is active and jump for free or attack for free, you trying to retaliate flame aura after you block it, will still going to hit you.

I would move scorpion to A honestly, he is one of the most solid variations i faced and tried in this current meta.
 
Blewdew

Blewdew

PSN: MaxKayX3
SpecOps2013 said:
I agree that Ferra/Torr is not C. Ruthless is still a very good variation.
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They barely touched them in ruthless. And now since there are no armored launcher has probably one of the best low risk/ high reward ratio as a special. no reason not to go for it after a knockdown he basically shits on every two hit armor move that doesn't hit at least 3 Times. Plus his amazing mid and Buttons, ability to counter zone efficient and enormous damage make him at least A tier, probably higher
 
Revenant Zero

Revenant Zero

Death Comes
Baconlord said:
Sounds like s tier to me
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It's debatable due to match ups, Kenshi is a counterpick to Sub-Zero in all variations; Sub is definitely A+
Sub-Zero players who play at a high level make him S, because of their tech, adaptability and reads. (SF, Tom Brady, Buffalo, Madzin)
 
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