Match-Up Discussion - Cyrax 10/4/16 Cyrax Changes(Or lack there of)

EX teleport has 2 hits of armor which is nice

Teleport bug was not addressed so I don't know if they fixed it or not

But, with so many characters getting two or more hits of armor on their attacks, Cyrax loses the ability to armor break many characters, this might be a huge change in Cyrax's setup viability, but I dont know yet

Theory Craft: instead of the low bomb B1 HTB alone after, we could do low close bomb and mid air bomb then B1 EX-port, this would break 2 hits of armor and possibly launch.

I posted this in the other thread, but I want to repeat it here and continue 10/4 changes in this thread from now on. Maybe there should be a dedicated 10/4 Combo thread.

You can use F21 to break armor prior to the 10/4 patch. As far as an armor-breaking setup goes, I'm thinking of ending a combo with a HKD > ex-ground bomb > F21.... that's your 3 hits.

Also prior to the 10/4 patch, B3D4 broke armor. Considering that Cyrax's BnB double-bomb oki combo has 2 bombs already AND B3D4, I have a feeling that this BnB might still be ok. Gonna be labbing this

The teleport thing was fixed, was not originally mentioned in the notes.

16 Bit said:

The teleport thing was fixed, was not originally mentioned in the notes.

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yeah is een that, didnt they fix recovery glitch on normal Telkeport and Glicth on net allowing othe rplayer to hit and block while in net?


also Scarsunseen. i know F21 broke some armor prepatch i used it some times. but it didnt work on fast ones like Reptile Slide, and other fast moves. so when they speed up some of these moves and added @ hits of armor, it all comes down to how many frames are in between each hit of armor, and if they are slow we will be peachy with F21 but there will be some that just totally fuck him over thats expected. i just hope its not the majority.

yeah i think i was like the first post worring about Armor break and HTB's but it looks like the actual Armor brake with HTB is gone. thats the B3D4 with low bomb and mid bomb setup. if they have 2 hits of armor thats gone. so if they block you will be punioshed im sure. what i always did was use B3D4 universally so if they armored or Blocked i could usually get them. thats gone now and im very sad about that.!

Thats it i had it!

@scarsunseen
guess what i tested every move Cyrax had, and i did normal 2 bomb setups into B3D4 off NJP lay and It gets broke now 2 hiots of armor ruines his setplay.
Example:
F13 xx Net, RC, DF2, F43, DF2, F43, DF2, 111 xx DD2, NJP, Step back DB3, DD3, B3D4/111/F21/B1/B1-2+4/F34
111 xx Net, RC, DF2, F43, DF2, F43, DF2, 111 xx DD2, NJP, Step back DB3, DD3, B3D4/111/F21/B1/B1-2+4
F21 xx Net, RC, DF2, F43, DF2, F43, DF2, 111 xx DD2, NJP, Step back DB3, DD3, B3D4/111/F21/B1/B1-2+4
B1 xx Net, RC, DF2, F43, DF2, F43, DF2, 111 xx DD2, NJP, Step back DB3, DD3, B3D4/111/F21/B1/B1-2+4
F13 xx Net, RC, DF2, F43, DF2, F43, DF2, 111 xx DD2, NJP, Step back EX DB3, B3D4/F21/111/B1/B1-2+4
111 xx Net, RC, DF2, F43, DF2, F43, DF2, 111 xx DD2, NJP, Step back EX DB3, B3D4/F21/111/B1/B1-2+4
F21 xx Net, RC, DF2, F43, DF2, F43, DF2, 111 xx DD2, NJP, Step back EX DB3, B3D4/F21/111/B1/B1-2+4
B3 xx Net, RC, DF2, F43, DF2, F43, DF2, 111 xx DD2, NJP, Step back EX DB3, B3D4/F21/111/B1/B1-2+4
B1 xx Net, RC, DF2, F43, DF2, F43, DF2, 111 xx DD2, NJP, Step back EX DB3, B3D4/F21/111/B1/B1-2+4
NJP, 4, EX DB3 xx 111/F21/F13/F131/B1/B3/B1-2+4

anyway i alter the combo anything ending in EX DB3 into F21 or 111 or anything does not break Armor!

Some are To fast to stop, Some are to Low to hit, some are out of reach. different problems asame result over and over.




All of these are ruined after 10-4-2016
the double and Tripple hitting armor Stuffs all of them and goes through!
no more Armor Break HTB's





F21 does not fix the problem, they did not Fix his Mid on it, and it still wiffs Low PRofiling moves. Sub zero,Reptile, Goro, Quan, Scorpion, Kung LAo, and many others goe through it.

He has no HTB Armor break anymore.

I can not believe a fair character like Cyrax got this treatment!

All his shit was 100% escapable and its not like it was even remotely hard to escape it my 6 year old Nephew did it every time, Tech roll into backdash or armor. this is fucking Gross.

well we have standing 4 xx Low Bomb xx B3D4 and they can armor uus but we definitely lost EX bomb into anything F21/111/B3D4/F131/F13 all Gone!

im calling it he dropped tiers from this. im gonna lab for an aditional month. when he got the shaft last patch on 3-29 i stuck with him, but lol they didnt even fix MIDS. i think im done if i find no Armor break and true worthwile HTB setup that doesnt require me to have opponet choose 2 options out of 7. im not liking these ods!

Ill never give up tEsting Cyrax but im at a loss for Armor break setups

Been playing a bunch since the actual patch dropped and I'm liking Cyrax right now, universal armour nerf has been great for him, armour breaking being less effective isn't as bad now armour is nowhere near as good.

However the b1 nerf has really really hurt his mixup game, gonna have to really rinse throwing into bombs to force people to not want to block every time now it's even easier to block.

PND_Mustard said:

Been playing a bunch since the actual patch dropped and I'm liking Cyrax right now, universal armour nerf has been great for him, armour breaking being less effective isn't as bad now armour is nowhere near as good.

However the b1 nerf has really really hurt his mixup game, gonna have to really rinse throwing into bombs to force people to not want to block every time now it's even easier to block.

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hey doggie what are you doing for his Armor break options? have you found anything?

and what HTB setups are you using now with the new Double hit Amrmor and Tripple hit's?

MadeOfMetal said:

hey doggie what are you doing for his Armor break options? have you found anything?

and what HTB setups are you using now with the new Double hit Amrmor and Tripple hit's?

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You can armour break off of air net with mid ground bomb into b2, can still make that hit 3 times if the reversal isn't instant. Problem is it's a very reactable and easy block on their end.

all existing HTB still exist but, again, there was always a ton of ways out of those, so now b1 can be reacted to also the mixup seems like it'll be block or throw tech, so you can still mix but there's another layer to the read now.

TL: DR throw people onto bombs until they start not blocking, then maybe you can get away with NJP/Jump in Kick HTB.

PND_Mustard said:

You can armour break off of air net with mid ground bomb into b2, can still make that hit 3 times if the reversal isn't instant. Problem is it's a very reactable and easy block on their end.

all existing HTB still exist but, again, there was always a ton of ways out of those, so now b1 can be reacted to also the mixup seems like it'll be block or throw tech, so you can still mix but there's another layer to the read now.

TL: DR throw people onto bombs until they start not blocking, then maybe you can get away with NJP/Jump in Kick HTB.

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did you find anything for Reptile and Sub Slide, im having a hard time with it, Mhy F21 just wiffs it with the Mid i really wished they made Mids better? anything fro that and tripple armor?

AWW he lost his HTB armor breaks. that sucks. why did they have to give everyone double armor's?

BTW @PND_Mustard big fan any tips for Armor breaks for Reptile? or ill just watch it on your stream if you do it on there

MadeOfMetal said:

did you find anything for Reptile and Sub Slide, im having a hard time with it, Mhy F21 just wiffs it with the Mid i really wished they made Mids better? anything fro that and tripple armor?

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yeah that's gonna be awkward, best thing to do is hope they know you can't armour break it so just read it and block it, probably the best thing we can do about it.

DR.Innuendo said:

AWW he lost his HTB armor breaks. that sucks. why did they have to give everyone double armor's?

BTW @PND_Mustard big fan any tips for Armor breaks for Reptile? or ill just watch it on your stream if you do it on there

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Still looking, I think we just have to accept that armour break isn't our best option anymore sadly.

PND_Mustard said:

Still looking, I think we just have to accept that armour break isn't our best option anymore sadly.

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my mains are Sub Zero, and Kenshi, so i use Triborg cuz i love him, but ill use Sektor for that, i found a thing with DB2 xx EX DD3 it breaks Tripple Armor Yay Sektor

B1 feels slow as shit lol. Who'd of thought 4 frames would feel so different? It's not terrible for us online warriors because his htb gimmicks still work and the not having to worry about armor as much thing helps.

I just got home from work and just started playing around in practice mode. @MadeOfMetal , you seem correct so far that his HTB are break is gone, but im still messing around. My ex-saw>RC>4>net HTB reset still works though. It'll be easier for them to get out of with the added armor, but they'll have to be extremely accurate with their inputs.

I've also noticed that:
Ji1 no longer combos into B2, but Ji2 does.
Armor breaks might still be possible in the corner... sorta. It's basically a combination of a bomb and OH/low to ex-teleport.

Maybe something like this? I dunno. Reminds me of Reaper's armor-break against pre-patch Goro super armor.

scarsunseen said:

I just got home from work and just started playing around in practice mode. @MadeOfMetal , you seem correct so far that his HTB are break is gone, but im still messing around. My ex-saw>RC>4>net HTB reset still works though. It'll be easier for them to get out of with the added armor, but they'll have to be extremely accurate with their inputs.

I've also noticed that:
Ji1 no longer combos into B2, but Ji2 does.
Armor breaks might still be possible in the corner... sorta. It's basically a combination of a bomb and OH/low to ex-teleport.

Maybe something like this? I dunno. Reminds me of Reaper's armor-break against pre-patch Goro super armor.

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yeah basically that's what ive been messing around with. use 2 hitting soaking armor to beat the 2hits of armor. fight fire with fire. yeah sector does this very well with uprockets and Ex up riockets with EX flame thrower!

scarsunseen said:

My ex-saw>RC>4>net HTB reset still works though

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yeah and these restes still work. I don't thin k anyone is gonna Armor that. those small damage extender resets with B1 on low bomb after net drop. are stil viable and I don't think double armor effected them at all. but B3D4 into low bomb ones yeah toasted.

MadeOfMetal said:

yeah and these restes still work. I don't thin k anyone is gonna Armor that. those small damage extender resets with B1 on low bomb after net drop. are stil viable and I don't think double armor effected them at all. but B3D4 into low bomb ones yeah toasted.

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I mean, you can still do the double-bomb oki setup and try baiting an armor wake-up.