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ChatterBox

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Let's just wait and see, If Cryo stayed exactly the same with added command grab being a special move then he can launch from overhead, low and the command grab into full combos. Which means your block button is useless now since you will get opened up left and right. So yeah that'd be pretty much gg to sungod.
Ok so when will cryo get a launching command grab? Is there any evidence of this launching part I keep hearing about?
 

FinalBoss_FGC

Day -4MONTHS Dual Jin main
I feel like this thread needs to be made because way often than not, we have players or individuals claim a character has been nerfed to "useless", "shit", "completely unviable", and much more being prematurely thrown around each update. It's to the point where it's starting to become a trend with each patch.

We've seen it happen with Raiden, Erron Black, Sub-Zero, Quan Chi, Shinnok, Tanya, Cassie Cage, Triborg, Scorpion, Predator, Tremor, etc. etc. where almost all of these characters at one point were called "dead" and claimed to have no use in the game after their "butchering".

Sure some varations of these characters may have been over normalized by a bit, but it's never been the case in MKX where a character from the roster has all of a sudden become a training dummy and has no place in the game.

Many of the Mileena and Alien players panicking on social media claiming that their character may now be "ruined" need to take a moment and realize that... It's never really happened before, and there's about a 1% chance it happens in the next big update hitting. Especially with a patch that has had seven months in the works.


TL;DR - Less claims and outrage of characters now being "shit" because of nerfs. The character that you think may become nerfed to "shit" in the upcoming patch will most likely still be good and have their uses.
Ancestral and Unbreakable exist.

Unless people can honestly say their character is worse than those two variations, they can shush it.
 

Dabluprint4

eh....
I'm really interested to see how this game plays out without people mindlessly mashing armor if this kind of change is how it looks
I honestly think it's going to take a while to get used to lol people are going to be blocking for no reason.. just standing there.. lmao
 

TheGangstaFace

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What top players make those threads, though?

It's mostly just TYM people who maybe don't even play the game lol.
If you agree with the thread then how does it make it anyone else's thread of the same topic any less true? Also if they're making a thread speaking on the topic I think it's safe to assume they play the game lol
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
First of all, good thread and I agree with the OP's sentiment...

With that said, TYM is like Epic Rap Battles of History.


The threads are entertaining and some are even educational, but in the end - its all opinion. Game making is an art and its up to the artists - that we call developers - to make the games we play.

The game is what it is and any thoughts we have on quality or balance are just opinions. I'm just glad we have this outlet.

This forum, coupled with the developers listening, makes our opinions matter.
 
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ChaosTheory

A fat woman came into the shoe store today...
Ok so when will cryo get a launching command grab? Is there any evidence of this launching part I keep hearing about?
I've said this, but I don't know if it was here because people are having the same conversations between 7 different threads....

But we don't know what the command grab is. Your first assumption is that it's the ender to Cold Blooded because of the start-up, but it could be a completely new animation. Somebody said a dev mentioned daggers or something, but who knows?

If it is the Cold Blooded ender, something's gotta give. Currently the Cold Blooded ender by itself leads to 20% meterless and 38% for one bar. That's a motherfucker of a command grab. So it'd have to not be cancelable, take a good damage reduction, or be a completely different move.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
I've said this, but I don't know if it was here because people are having the same conversations between 7 different threads....

But we don't know what the command grab is. Your first assumption is that it's the ender to Cold Blooded because of the start-up, but it could be a completely new animation. Somebody said a dev mentioned daggers or something, but who knows?

If it is the Cold Blooded ender, something's gotta give. Currently the Cold Blooded ender by itself leads to 20% meterless and 38% for one bar. That's a motherfucker of a command grab. So it'd have to not be cancelable, take a good damage reduction, or be a completely different move.
Or be a completely busted move
 

Darth-Nero

Come Thunder! Come Lightning!
Ok so when will cryo get a launching command grab? Is there any evidence of this launching part I keep hearing about?
We don't know that yet, it's just a speculation. The command grab is most likely the grab in his f421+3 string, If it kept it's properties then he can launch off of it.

What about all the other differences I just named? Lol Also Cryo has like no plus frames. So he's still got no pressure and still relies on a guessing game which is the thing that's wrong with him. Honestly adding the Command Grab imo was a stupid buff. Obviously it's gonna help him because more guessing but he just needed a way to play safe and apply pressure
Cryo have similar arsenal of his own, His f4 is advancing mid where he will probably be able to tech grab from. His ex burst is more consistent AA launcher than Kotals Air grab. His overhead hammer is also plus on block with push back. Ex ice ball absorbs projectiles. Slide to for mobility and getting in and out. overhead and low starters. safe mixups into high damaging midscreen combos.

I think he was meant to be a high damaging mixup variation so plus frames/pressure is not something that he should get. But i'd take that now any day instead of him getting that command grab, am telling you if it launches and he can tech it from some of his strings then sungod wont even compete.
 

FrankOceansWaifu

Watch this set up.
Triborg is an exception in that list. People referred to Triborg being butchered because of what happened to Cyber Sub and Cyrax. The two more dominant Borgs are Smoke and Sektor, who are both decent.

Cyrax and Cyber Sub = Meme Men though.
We also need to stop saying Cyber Sub is bad.
 
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Renzokuken

Gay Hawkeye
Ancestral and Unbreakable exist.

Unless people can honestly say their character is worse than those two variations, they can shush it.
Can't believe we're getting a new major balance patch and Ancestral's getting shafted again. At this point, I'm certain NRS will buff every variation before Ancestral. Smh.
 

FinalBoss_FGC

Day -4MONTHS Dual Jin main
Can't believe we're getting a new major balance patch and Ancestral's getting shafted again. At this point, I'm certain NRS will buff every variation before Ancestral. Smh.
Dude, calm down, we haven't scratched the surface of this patch and you're already saying a character got shafted? Stop.
Can't blame the man for not being optimistic lol
 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
Cyrax was toned down correctly, resets and unblockable set ups have no place in any game, I think they over did it with Cyber Sub. Kenshi Kenjitsu is not bad, he would be better if they tone down the top tiers, Balanced should not get better recovery on wiff or block on any special, because we dont want MK9 Kenshi braindedness to be back.
i think you don't know what all happened to Cyrax do you? yes the Reset was just and fair, but the rest was over the top and unneeded.

They castrated his Neutral, his B1/B3/1/11/F13/F21 all of those got rediction on Hit advantage which was dumb, the one that needed it was in CSZ and Smoke variation standing 3 that caused Vortex and HTB unblockables in CSZ. but they took from Cyrax which did not do that shit.

then his Normal Combos got effected by how many bombs came out, 4 high 4 low. thats it now. and that ruines alot, on top of getting a wopping 25% reduction on meterless combo. name a character that got that much of a damge nerf in MKXL, no one but cyrax.

then he has Wiffing issues caused by last patch, as well as Mutiple NEt glitches, Teleport glitch and Recovery glicthes from F4/Shrapnel Port/Teleport/Net. and then Net has issue on last half now. the opponent can walk out of Net on last half, even move and perform Normals and block while still in it. its messes up half his Combos and Setups.

this isn't even close to how many problems the patch created. when you take away Mids, Close up, Neutral and Zoning from a character how is that fair and just. i know he is good. in the right hands, but is is lacking very much in almost every front, the one exception is he has great mixups.


Its understandable you did not know because you do not use Cyrax. but this is a common problem on TYM, people get salty towords a character and never used them and want them nerfed. like some top players i seen there videos and nothing against them, but they are talking on video about what needs to be nerfed on them, but don't even know how to do a simple combo or what any of there inputs are. that just Reaks of Misdirection and Poor Management. noone should be telling a Main that there character needs nerfed if the person telling can't use the character themself. that tells me they dont know the Struggles of character, Weaknesses, Strengths or Escapes from setups of the character.

Smoke and Sektor are still very very good. Cyrax is an incomplete character and CSZ even though he is good and Viable just like Cyrax, can not hold up against even A+ tier characters.