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GLoRToR

Positive Poster!
What do you guys think about the safe tools that destroy neutral such as jaxs dash punch johnnys eX shdw kick DF LIU raw -8f mid full screen fly kick Jason's bf3 Jacquis full combo thing mid -9

Should moves like this be safe where you are forced to duck in order to punish someone's lack of neutral... I KNOW U GUYS ARE GUNNA BE LIKE NAW U GOTTA DUCK DAT. No you get run up something and get full comboed. Look at the chats with this no neutral move that is super fast and destroys any kind of footsie game you guys may be having all of them give a good forward advancing mid that's like sweep range. Since the next patch is rolling around I want that kinda stuff to be removed well the safe frames on it so these trash dudes can't get away with that fraud stuff
Some characters, like Jax or Cassie, live by these tools. To remove them is to require something to replace them in said character's gameplan. What would you replace them with?
 

Addhad

GOD OF EARTHRELM
If u duck why are u forced to run? Theyre already in ur face, theyre literally on top of you. No run involved. He does shadow kick. U duck, and whiff punish. He has no chance to do anything unless ur punishing with like sky drop or something.
I duck then the jax runs up and does f21 then I get full comboed. That f2 has such good range
 

Addhad

GOD OF EARTHRELM
Some characters, like Jax or Cassie, live by these tools. To remove them is to require something to replace them in said character's gameplan. What would you replace them with?
CASSIE LIVES OFFA WHAT THE B1 THATS A NORMAL I'm talking abt the dash punch it has way more range than that... Well... It... It HAS MOSR RANGE THEN THE B1 JAX CAN LIVE OFFA F2 RATIONS NOT THE SAFE LIKE 10 F DASH PUNCX THAT UR FORCED TO DUCK TO PUNISH THEN U DUCK GUESS WHAT HAPPENS RUN UP F2 leik breh all I'm asking is to make dash punch unsafe on blk
 

Addhad

GOD OF EARTHRELM
If you're neutral is being destroyed by a shadow kick, then you're playing the matchup wrong and the jc is playing the same matchup wrong. Ex sk is used to punish projectiles and push into the corner, its not for the neutral.

Its hilarious watching his d4 low profile everything after its blocked though lol.
You know y'all Johnny mains out here be doing that random shdw kick in the neutral then u duck guess what like 11f godlike range f3 coming up with that mkx run button making it even worse. Then u read that you walk back whiff punish f3 oh it's not over they RUN CANCEL THE F3 AND D1 U LEIK THEY WHIFF PUNISHING MY WHIFF PUNISH DUH FOK
 

Wigy

There it is...
You know y'all Johnny mains out here be doing that random shdw kick in the neutral then u duck guess what like 11f godlike range f3 coming up with that mkx run button making it even worse. Then u read that you walk back whiff punish f3 oh it's not over they RUN CANCEL THE F3 AND D1 U LEIK THEY WHIFF PUNISHING MY WHIFF PUNISH DUH FOK
If you're ducking at f3 range you're playing wrong.

Basically anything is punishable on whiff, there is frames on the cancelling so that d1 is probably about 15 frames after the whiffed f3. You just gotta be crispy bruv.
 

Addhad

GOD OF EARTHRELM
If you're ducking at f3 range you're playing wrong.

Basically anything is punishable on whiff, there is frames on the cancelling so that d1 is probably about 15 frames after the whiffed f3. You just gotta be crispy bruv.
So you do a string at the f3 range and what happens they ex shdw kik through that. After? You backdash because you don't want to block for 5 seconds and hold everything including mixups yes Johnny downplaying community mixups. After I back dash I get run upped f3ed since the range is godlike it catches me. Oh and the cancel on whiff thing only happened once lol I whiff punish it everyteim 9f b1 punisher
 

GLoRToR

Positive Poster!
CASSIE LIVES OFFA WHAT THE B1 THATS A NORMAL I'm talking abt the dash punch it has way more range than that... Well... It... It HAS MOSR RANGE THEN THE B1 JAX CAN LIVE OFFA F2 RATIONS NOT THE SAFE LIKE 10 F DASH PUNCX THAT UR FORCED TO DUCK TO PUNISH THEN U DUCK GUESS WHAT HAPPENS RUN UP F2 leik breh all I'm asking is to make dash punch unsafe on blk
That's fair enough but take your elbow off the shift key. lol
 

Wigy

There it is...
So you do a string at the f3 range and what happens they ex shdw kik through that. After? You backdash because you don't want to block for 5 seconds and hold everything including mixups yes Johnny downplaying community mixups. After I back dash I get run upped f3ed since the range is godlike it catches me. Oh and the cancel on whiff thing only happened once lol I whiff punish it everyteim 9f b1 punisher
Just sounds like you're playing it wrong bud.

If you're good jc wont be throwing out yolo ex shadow kicks.
 

Addhad

GOD OF EARTHRELM
when the thread said destroys neutral i thought maybe he's talking about alien's limbs or kung jin's limbs or ANYONE WITH STUPID LIMBS then he get dash punch.... bruh
Unreactable. YOU BETTER NOT BE ONE OF THOSE OHHHHHHHHHHH UH KANOS B1 is reactable breh like ur in the matrix slow mo when playin mkx. Aliens tail jump over jins b1 jump over options dash punch duck then u get full comboed because he ran up f2ed
 

Addhad

GOD OF EARTHRELM
I just don't want a guessing game just blk punish so u can't get run up f3ed or run up f2ed like u just stand tere blocking they can't get a full combo offa u unless ur Johnny and have 5 seconds to open some1 up
 

omooba

fear the moobs
Unreactable. YOU BETTER NOT BE ONE OF THOSE OHHHHHHHHHHH UH KANOS B1 is reactable breh like ur in the matrix slow mo when playin mkx. Aliens tail jump over jins b1 jump over options dash punch duck then u get full comboed because he ran up f2ed
i honestly don't understand what you're trying to say
 

Addhad

GOD OF EARTHRELM
i honestly don't understand what you're trying to say
Dash punch is unreactable and you have to guess. U are forced to duck to punish you can't jump out you have to hold a push back -7 move or you can duck to whiff punish but when you duck the jax does a f2
 

GLoRToR

Positive Poster!
Or in cases where it's both safe and fast, it needs to be a definitive tool that the character is centered around.
 

Meep8345

Noob
If you cant react to a run in outside of footsie range thats your issue.
Bruh you can say that all day but 90% of the cast is running at the speed of usain bolt and you add in f3's range and let's see you actually punish that run up f3.Now if he's fullscreen that's different but closer up just no.
 

Meep8345

Noob
Also jax's dash punch is just fine wtf lol. A lot of these specials you are complaining about really aren't bad. Maybe instead of reading random dash punches(lol) read their normals and movement