Invincible Salads
Seeker of knowledge
just need to play matches and practice, i can pretty much always get my cancels now, except for b1, or if its laggy of course xD
just need to play matches and practice, i can pretty much always get my cancels now, except for b1, or if its laggy of course xD
I put about a 100 hours into SQ and then decided I couldn't execute well enough to stay out of trouble with it or unlock it's actual potential. If you can't do WBC's with high accuracy AND you really like the character then being able to play her is what they bring to the table. I'm doing more damage and causing way more trouble with Venomous that I ever did with SQ. I had to formulate an entirely different plan of action around it, but it's working for me personally.
It's pretty even, once she's in its a little tough for Shinnok because he has to use the scoop to get out which is unsafe, but he does a good job of controlling space with hellsparks and his d4 is quite good as well.
yeah samething i was saying. and if he does f4,1,d1 hellsparks and tries to do it again . on a read you can do up3 or jump back and whiff punish with f22
It depends how instant you do it.
I've always been told it was at its minimum +5 at best +10
I've seen it jail into f1 so I'm not exactly sure
Almost no one beats a good swarm queen but in my expierence jax,takeda, and alien are hard. Jax is probably 5-5 and it's just me sucking at fighting wrestler and takeda and alien are only hard because they force her to play their game on top of their dumb sheninagans. I think alien is the only true counter-pick to her. She's probably going to get Nerfed if they release another patch and I hope they only take away b1 wgc and not her jailing since she feels like pre-patch tempest to me.
In my opinion the only MU I think she really loses is Wrestler Jax.
Tarkatan Alien (Armoring is not worth the effort, b3 into rekka is a nuisance, he doesn't care about any of her setups), Wrestler Jax (Once he gets started it's hard to stop. He laughs at her wakeup game.), Flame Fist Liu (fast zoning), Cybernetic Kano (fast zoning, up ball gets him out of a lot of situations especially puddle gimmicks)
PFFT no way does Cybernetic beat Swarm Queen. His "fast zoning" is less relevant than people make it out to be, walk and block and you've taken like 4% chip. Whoopdeedoo lol. Then you're in which is what you want. He needs meter to even compete in damage with you, never mind breakers and ex up ball, which means while you get to do what you want without having to spend a bar he's constantly spending it just to keep up with you. Then in neutral, which is usually what decides if Cybernetic really has the advantage, you can compete pretty easily with him with your ovipositors which makes it tought for Cybernetic to get that space control he wants.
I'm talking about puddle setups midscreen, like f112 puddle, just up ball out. Also I'm not throwing out f42 on Cyber knives just to eat a b1 lol. I have no problems against Commando or Cutthroat. Zoning just fucks D'Vorah in general. Also his space control is much better in than variation than D'Vorah's. Can't trade with puddle, can't jump cause I'm too floaty. Probably should move it to Notable tough MUs though.PFFT no way does Cybernetic beat Swarm Queen. His "fast zoning" is less relevant than people make it out to be, walk and block and you've taken like 4% chip. Whoopdeedoo lol. Then you're in which is what you want. He needs meter to even compete in damage with you, never mind breakers and ex up ball, which means while you get to do what you want without having to spend a bar he's constantly spending it just to keep up with you. Then in neutral, which is usually what decides if Cybernetic really has the advantage, you can compete pretty easily with him with your ovipositors which makes it tought for Cybernetic to get that space control he wants.
As for ex up ball getting out of puddle setups you can still put out puddle and block in time before ex up ball comes out on wakeup. You can even do something like whatever into 212~puddle then backdash (you need to time it right though of course) if you read the up ball and you'll avoid ex up ball with and without them tech rolling which gives you a full combo punish and you'll still have the corner.
Fun fact: You can low profile knives with F42 which is totally viable in a real match if you make a read
Why would you do F112~puddle midscreen though? I was kidding about the F42 thing, obviously you're not doing that in a real match lol.
The only thing I won't agree about is db1 being that great against her, I always poke back or backdash after
I meant more along the lines of slowing down her approach or to whiff punish pokes being used to space him out for example. Of course you can always poke after it on block, same with ex up ball since it's -5 too, and F4 can catch backdash but yeah. I think most people you see use Cutthroat in tournament that just end every blockstring with it use it too much.
Dude, if they took away her b1 cancel she'd be a strictly worse jhonny cage. It would be the same game plan with worse defense and zoning. The only thing that makes us keep up with him is the fact we have true 50/50's currently, where jhonny doesnt. We have this tool cuz our defense is butt and our zoning marginal.
LMAO.
13 frame armor that doesnt launch and is super punishable if blocked. Of the armored moves that dont launch its among the worst. Our only reward is like 12% i think. Jhonny gets full combo for like 30% plus restand guarenteeing pressure. Just because nrs buffed our armor in the last patch doesnt mean we got magically cured on defense. Its still a problem people. And any dvora player worth their salt knows this.
It still serves its purpose well as a defensive move, it gets your attack off of you and can shift momentum in your favor. Just because it isn't an armored launcher doesn't mean it's automatically booty, Predator's fastest armor move is a launcher yet the consensus is that it's a poor defensive special.