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Question - Predator Final Patch?! - What should be changed?

Still assuming i see. Let me guess your american? Cuz that would explain a lot. Anyway if you think im so bad even though you've never played me why don't we take this to the underworld forum for a friendly challenge to see who the real confirmed bad player is? Please accept it will be a fun challenge for you to put your money where your mouth is no?
Sure...we'd have to decide on a major we can both make
 

GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
As compensation for the increase in his Zoning Tools. Predator needs more representation, not HQT alone.

If they buff (carefully) the close up game of Warrior or even some of Predator's core strings then he doesn't lose much by having his cancel advantage reduced. Rather than 1 Variation that does it all which defeats the purpose of the System itself. You have a variation that excels at zoning then one for Rush Down. Then you have Predator for the trapa and whatnot.

Zoning characters imo shouldn't excel at both keep out and up close, in this case you are already keeping up with Predator potentially cancelling into low projectiles, or a block to bait your armor. Having that meta in addition to plus frames off of the PCC is a bit silly imo.

I'm not suggesting he lose cancel advantage and get nothing in return.

Ye sounds fair but they can't turn back and give his other variation cancels. Too much of a drastic change i think. and the thing about his cancels is he has to cancel every thing to 21 or block from what i understand or you can just poke him or armour but people are so impatient sometimes that they don't just want to block let him run out of stamina and its your turn and if you hit confirm something you get a combo he can't breaker cuz he just used all his stamina cancelling.
 

JDM

Noob
As compensation for the increase in his Zoning Tools. Predator needs more representation, not HQT alone.

If they buff (carefully) the close up game of Warrior or even some of Predator's core strings then he doesn't lose much by having his cancel advantage reduced. Rather than 1 Variation that does it all which defeats the purpose of the System itself. You have a variation that excels at zoning then one for Rush Down. Then you have Predator for the trapa and whatnot.

Zoning characters imo shouldn't excel at both keep out and up close, in this case you are already keeping up with Predator potentially cancelling into low projectiles, or a block to bait your armor. Having that meta in addition to plus frames off of the PCC is a bit silly imo.

I'm not suggesting he lose cancel advantage and get nothing in return.
He's not strong up close. He has ok pressure but that's it. He buckles under pressure hard. And warrior at least gives him a decent reversal.
 
True that a cancel has to be done into 21 less the opponent armor or low poke. Though that is part of the mind game. If the opponent knows Predator has to do 21 to make it true then they will look for that and block. Then in that moment that is when the Predator will do something else. B22 etc etc.

It isn't as though people will just poke after each block string on the chance he doesn't do 21 (one can assume) even trying to OS may be a bit harder than its worth.

The same can be said for Tremor. None of his Shatter Cancels guarantee or jail anything mid screen. That doesn't stop me from conditioning the opponent to be afraid to armor in between block strings. After that then I can do whatever I like, to an extent anyway.
 

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
So why haven't you won anything with HQT then if you think he's cancels are so great. All his cancels are armour-able apart from S4, some are even back-dash-able.
One thing you need to realise is there are several ways to play the character and not everyone wants to play him the way YOU think he should be played. Its literally an up-hill struggle for predator against any heavy offensive character.
Ye i know it's just your opinion but your opinions have been ridiculous and scary recently. Thank goodness your not a staff member at NRS.
Out of all the shit posting i see on tym from randoms wanting insane buffs or nerfs, Reo actually thinks and has sensible ideas. I'm glad nobody on this thread has a say in balance in mkx. Because i see some really stupid shit.

Pred struggles against offense because hes meant to zone. You dont understand that? High ridiculous level zoning with the lasers and disks, so when the opponent gets in, he gets rushed down. I think all cancels need to be reigned in. But leave it to tym to want their character to have 0 weaknesses.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Heavy weapons has 50/50 mixups that he can make safe with his cancels. Predator does not. Not real ones anyways.

And not only that no one plays heavy weapons anyways lul
Using the argument no one plays heavy weapons is a stupid one and you should reevaluate how you look at characters if that's an actual argument you're using.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
To everyone saying not to nerf the HQT cancels. I have some things to say to yoy. First, do you want the other variations to be as good as HQT like they should be? Because if so, make some damn sacrifices. If you want to buff the other variations to be stronger you need to suck it up and take some nerfs otherwise you get mileena and Takeda. Secondly, anyone in this group that's shit talking REO, knock it the fuck off he knows more about this game than any of you put together and you give him your damn respect because he deserves it. His knowledge on the game is so immense he's probably forgotten more than you've learned about NRS games. Lastly, your character is actually good (HQT that is) stop complaining about him, play an actually bad character for an extensive amount of time then come back to me with your actually deserved salt.
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
Alright just checked, Forever King won Summer Jam 9 and TFC using mostly Predator, though in the latter he did switch to Goro to counter Sub Zero.
Wow. I thought HQT was a great counter for GM. This tells me that I either don't know that matchup or the GM vs Goro one.
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
To everyone saying not to nerf the HQT cancels. I have some things to say to yoy. First, do you want the other variations to be as good as HQT like they should be? Because if so, make some damn sacrifices. If you want to buff the other variations to be stronger you need to suck it up and take some nerfs otherwise you get mileena and Takeda. Secondly, anyone in this group that's shit talking REO, knock it the fuck off he knows more about this game than any of you put together and you give him your damn respect because he deserves it. His knowledge on the game is so immense he's probably forgotten more than you've learned about NRS games. Lastly, your character is actually good (HQT that is) stop complaining about him, play an actually bad character for an extensive amount of time then come back to me with your actually deserved salt.
REO, for sure, is a G - and is certainly deserving of our attention and respect - and while he brings alot of new info to the surface, he does carefully downplay some characters too - and you have to recognize this - if you want a clear picture.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
REO, for sure, is a G - and is certainly deserving of our attention and respect - and while he brings alot of new info to the surface, he does carefully downplay some characters too - and you have to recognize this - if you want a clear picture.
Oh hey look, first response I get isn't a salt filled child. Thanks for the calm statement GAV, stay cool.
 
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GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
To everyone saying not to nerf the HQT cancels. I have some things to say to yoy. First, do you want the other variations to be as good as HQT like they should be? Because if so, make some damn sacrifices. If you want to buff the other variations to be stronger you need to suck it up and take some nerfs otherwise you get mileena and Takeda. Secondly, anyone in this group that's shit talking REO, knock it the fuck off he knows more about this game than any of you put together and you give him your damn respect because he deserves it. His knowledge on the game is so immense he's probably forgotten more than you've learned about NRS games. Lastly, your character is actually good (HQT that is) stop complaining about him, play an actually bad character for an extensive amount of time then come back to me with your actually deserved salt.
If you think HQT has to be nerfed in order to buff the other 2 variations then you severely lack in imagination.

Secondly please don't be a fan boy yes I respect REO but it doesn't mean I have to blindly agree with everything he says especially if I think what he is saying makes no sense. How do you know I don't know as much as he does about the game? Your just assuming because frankly you just don't know.

For everyone who doesn't seem to understand let me explain why his cancels shouldn't be nerfed and the options HQT has after a cancel because the way your talking, it would seem you don't know and are just agreeing with what reo said and letting him do the thinking for you.

Firstly let me say I don't play the character I just sympathise with pred players. But reo does play pred's other variations and is a bit of a character loyalist so there may be some inherent bias with his suggestions consciously or not it has to be noted.

Ok so pred has 1 jailing cancel which is s4 into f12 - his options are he can low laser after f12 or cancel f12 aswell and get a grab or block and bait and armour.

Every other cancel he has is armour-able. His options after every other cancel is
-21 which is neutral or
-21 into low laser (-7)
-grab
-bait an armour

So the worst he gets is a 12% grab or he baits your armour and get a full combo punish.

He can't - I repeat he cannot mix you up after any cancel because he can be poked or armoured.
The sole purpose of his cancels are to hit confirm and or bait that's it.

So now can you explain why his cancels are O.P and need to be nerfed? He's only options if reo's suggestions are followed is to bait that's it, no more shitty 12% grab or being neutral you would literally just cancel and block.
 
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