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Gustavness

The Tech Whisperer
@Tweedy
I understand how you feel. When i play FF, i always feel bad fighting against Aliens. Its almost as if they believe they cant lose, and when they do its because alien must need buffs.

Especially acidic when they try to zone. FF says get that shit all the way the F out

I stand with you. FF wins this 6-4 against tarkatan, 6.5-3.5 against acidic. The only place where alien wins is at 1/2 - 3/4 screen mixing sailor jerry and coke, or air to air. j2 is too godly

Youre going a little far with the set throwing though.
 

Tweedy

Noob
@Tweedy
I understand how you feel. When i play FF, i always feel bad fighting against Aliens. Its almost as if they believe they cant lose, and when they do its because alien must need buffs.

Especially acidic when they try to zone. FF says get that shit all the way the F out

I stand with you. FF wins this 6-4 against tarkatan, 6.5-3.5 against acidic. The only place where alien wins is at 1/2 - 3/4 screen mixing sailor jerry and coke, or air to air. j2 is too godly

Youre going a little far with the set throwing though.
I play Ejara and he punishes flip with F1 every time.

He plays in the Dab set and doesn't even try, he throws B1 or some shit.

idk man
 
Just to clear this up.
When I played dragon at SJ with FF. I had no idea what to do in the mu, nor do I have much exp against a good alien.
The only thing I knew was that alien oh flip was negative. I don't have alien to lab the mu, so please stop using me as an example of the mu when I clearly didn't and still don't know what to do
 

Amplified$hotz

Done with MK1. Stop supporting a scam company
I ran the mu with dragon offline at summer jam where we could both react and punish everything. He said "tbh i dont know why I thought this was 6 4, alien deals with him fine". Personally its all a matter of opinion but i dunno.
I thought you said your FF wasn't as good as your DF. Would you say your FF is as skilled as Dragon's tarkatan?
 
@Tweedy this is ejara209, and lol, I only punished your oh flip like once, don't make it sound like I played your alien 100% perfectly, I didn't even armor out of rekkas, and you let me low fireball you for free, played exactly the same as I did with dab
 

P3irce

Noob
Is it known that in dragons fire if you double tap 1 after fireball the actual projectile starts up waay faster? I'm just learning liu kang and never noticed it
 

Tweedy

Noob
@Tweedy this is ejara209, and lol, I only punished your oh flip like once, don't make it sound like I played your alien 100% perfectly, I didn't even armor out of rekkas, and you let me low fireball you for free, played exactly the same as I did with dab
This post is ebola ^^^^^

"Like once", "didn't even armor out of rekkas", oh and of course the grand "you let me low fireball you for free".

Lbsh, when you're not dropping dd1 links, like versus Dab, sitting there and blocking in anticipation of a low fireball every time, is a quick way to lose the match.

Lets say that when you played Dab, you just somehow forgot how to link dd1 into wp, you forgot how to punish snag, how to punish flip, how to armor through rekkas. Oh and you forgot that the overhead rekka isn't plus, that it's -15.

You threw the set. Of course you'll never admit that. It's not really an argument that I could ever win.

The set was for nothing. You didn't lose any rep because people think Alien is this or that. Your error in throwing it was that you played fundamentally incorrect. You weren't just making mistakes, you were dropping and not doing things that you do with 100% success rate in other matches. This is how I know that you threw it.
 
This post is ebola ^^^^^

"Like once", "didn't even armor out of rekkas", oh and of course the grand "you let me low fireball you for free".

Lbsh, when you're not dropping dd1 links, like versus Dab, sitting there and blocking in anticipation of a low fireball every time, is a quick way to lose the match.

Lets say that when you played Dab, you just somehow forgot how to link dd1 into wp, you forgot how to punish snag, how to punish flip, how to armor through rekkas. Oh and you forgot that the overhead rekka isn't plus, that it's -15.

You threw the set. Of course you'll never admit that. It's not really an argument that I could ever win.

The set was for nothing. You didn't lose any rep because people think Alien is this or that. Your error in throwing it was that you played fundamentally incorrect. You weren't just making mistakes, you were dropping and not doing things that you do with 100% success rate in other matches. This is how I know that you threw it.
Lol who's ebola? This isn't a troll account, it's just I made it last year. When I played Dab, of course I made some mistakes as a player, I cant react to everything, which is why I didn't punish most of his tail snags. Also, I hardly tried to armor out of rekkas because I would mess up the timing and input of wp, which would lead to a full combo. Btw I don't link dd1 into wp 100% of the time and tbh dab is just a better player overall, which is why I lost. Stop saying I threw the game, tried my best, and also how did you lose to my smoke? I'm sure thats a more fair matchup for alien
 

mk_mamood77

Liu/JohnnyKenshi main
What do you guys think about DF and jax HW/Wrestler MU?

I think Liu 5-5 Jax because Liu cant poke out most of the time.
 
Jax IMO 6-4 dualist and df, and goes 5-5 with flame fist.
FF and df can zone out jax to a degree.. But jax has the better buttons. His d3 is a huge problem and without the parry, you will struggle to get out of his pressure. And waking up in the corner against jax is cancer.
 

Bruno-NeoSpace

They see me zonin', they hatin'
What do you guys think about DF and jax HW/Wrestler MU?

I think Liu 5-5 Jax because Liu cant poke out most of the time.
Jax IMO 6-4 dualist and df, and goes 5-5 with flame fist.
FF and df can zone out jax to a degree.. But jax has the better buttons. His d3 is a huge problem and without the parry, you will struggle to get out of his pressure. And waking up in the corner against jax is cancer.
Interesting... I also think that Jax beats Dualist (6-4) but I don't agree with Jax beating Dragon's Fire and going even with Flame Fist...

Dragon's Fire has better tools that Dualist, so... better zoning, pressure, better flying kick, meter burn version of a lot of stuffs, beter meter building... DF vs Jax 5-5

Flame Fist has better defensive options and that is very important against Jax. Slightly advantage for Flame Fist. Either 5.5-4-5 or 6-4 :p
 

Tweedy

Noob
This is an interesting topic to talk about this in.

Should people stop using the terms "cancer, ebola, aids", to distinguish something that is bad or ugly, so often?

I'm not a fan but it's like rubbed off on me here recently.

Ejara is a fine young man. I didn't like his post, but it's not "ebola".
 

Tri-Zero

The Crispy Canceler
This is an interesting topic to talk about this in.

Should people stop using the terms "cancer, ebola, aids", to distinguish something that is bad or ugly, so often?

I'm not a fan but it's like rubbed off on me here recently.

Ejara is a fine young man. I didn't like his post, but it's not "ebola".
My reaction to that stuff is usually me coughing uncontrollably for 25 minutes tbh
 

D7X

EMPEROR | D7X
Jax IMO 6-4 dualist and df, and goes 5-5 with flame fist.
FF and df can zone out jax to a degree.. But jax has the better buttons. His d3 is a huge problem and without the parry, you will struggle to get out of his pressure. And waking up in the corner against jax is cancer.
I cannot see that under any circumstance. I can see ups and downs but I definitely think DF wins. No opinion on the Dualist one
 

PapaRegadetho

All hail emperor Liucifer Kang!
Soo, how do we feel about the changes Liu got? For me, the only thing im kind of depressed about is that the b1 meta is completely gone, but happy we can zone and AA for days. I think Flamefist might be Liu's best variation now.
 

NaCl man

Welcome to Akihabara
Soo, how do we feel about the changes Liu got? For me, the only thing im kind of depressed about is that the b1 meta is completely gone, but happy we can zone and AA for days. I think Flamefist might be Liu's best variation now.
When i saw the nerf list i was a bit worried but after a couple of days playing he is still really good. I do miss the armor on the exwp but its not a huge loss. But the AAs with d2 are godlike. 7 frame d1 is crazy good.