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Discussion Reactions vs Reads, what is the difference

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
theres no communication breakdown. You're saying it's possible for some humans to block a 7 frame mixup on reaction in ideal circumstances. I'm saying that all the available data in fighting games suggests otherwise. Even adding frames for input delay/monitor lag no human in the situation you're presenting would be able to accurately and consistently block aliens rekka mixups, and those are 17/18 frames.
i know right, like i said we allready went over this like 5 threads ago, and somehow some players come back and say i can block 7 frame moves, LMAO when we know they can't possibly block 18 frame moves when Sonic did the Millia Blocker Test and could only get 19/20 Average
 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
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Of course no one is going to block on reaction in 7 frames; the test times your reaction from when the NPC presses her button! Not when the signal for an overhead is given! It is important to differentiate between the two.

Also some other issues with the test...
  1. test doesn't account for input lag
  2. test doesn't account for monitor lag
  3. test doesn't account for online lag
  4. test doesn't list the FPS it is running
e accounted for, Download for Offline use to eliminate Online lag
no input lag if you use Joy programe with Low LAg Controller/Hitbox.
No monitor lag if you use your Gaming Monitor, in this day and age there is no excuse to have above 10ms Input Delay on your monitor. and if you are using a Laptop like i AM, My Alienware R2. Hook it up Via HDMI to a Gaming Monitor for Projection like i do.

Then the entire list you said there is a problem is solved.

And btw on the Site Teyah the person who made it Explaines all this. and Pushes for you to eliminate all those factors and gives you instruction do do so.

i know what my Keyboard and Monitor ahve in terms of Lag Frame wise, and i also know how fast my Internet is working, but i used it Offline. with Zero Online lag.

i calculated rughly that i needed to take off 4-5 frames off final result due to my Alienware R2.

but your sytem is different, and there is ways to Get around those minor rpoblems like The Creator states.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Lol. This reminds me of when the game first came out and people were spewing shit about Sub's B2 being too slow to be considered part of a 50/50. Jesus.
 

Solomon Gorondy

Should Goro be top 5?
theres no communication breakdown. You're saying it's possible for some humans to block a 7 frame mixup on reaction in ideal circumstances. I'm saying that all the available data in fighting games suggests otherwise. Even adding frames for input delay/monitor lag no human in the situation you're presenting would be able to accurately and consistently block aliens rekka mixups, and those are 17/18 frames.[/QU
No there's definitely a breakdown in communication. You and MadeofMetal have both argued against points I have never made while failing to adress the one I have. I would rather not continue with this viscous circle. Live long and prosper.
 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
No there's definitely a breakdown in communication. You and MadeofMetal have both argued against points I have never made while failing to adress the one I have. I would rather not continue with this viscous circle. Live long and prosper.
umm sorry if there wa miscommunication, i never said anything about you. someone on here said 7frame moves are reactible. and i said NOPE. and provided suffecient Evidence but im sure you never said such things, and i am in no way involved in what Dankster/ Rushdown said.

So like I said I don't think I quoted you and if I did and you NEVER said players can block moves FASTER than 18 frames on reaction then don't worry.

Sometimes that happens on TYM, a member Quotes another member, and the next person thinks those two are connected in there views when maybe they only had a couple agreements in a huge post.

Only thin i said is Noone can Block 18 frames or Faster with Pure Reaction without Read's. thats simple.

anyways this has been proven over and over over many years on TYM and someone always new comes in and states I can block lightning fast moves and starts this dumb ass Debate again. The Brain is not capable of doing it. its that simple.