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SALTY What does it actually mean to be 'broken'

Are there really that many OP things in the game

  • Nah bruh git gud

  • Lord Brady was right about it all!!


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Invincible Salads

Seeker of knowledge
There are not that many tools singularly that are completely broken. It is mostly a multitude of amazing tools in tandom, the only broken as fuck tool right now is ex kunai, which to be honest the only thing they need to change about it is to make it a mid instead of a low
i'd argue that, and say that sonya's grenades are the most broken, those don't cost meter and net her a combo off of just about every trade.
 

MrProfDrPepper

NRS, Guilty Gear, and KI, the holy trinity
i'd argue that, and say that sonya's grenades are the most broken, those don't cost meter and net her a combo off of just about every trade.
Yeah that is a fair point. Although you do have to risk damage to reload but that is a small price to pay for plus frames safe 50/50s and a vortex
 

The Janitor

Mop Dispensery
There are not that many tools singularly that are completely broken. It is mostly a multitude of amazing tools in tandom, the only broken as fuck tool right now is ex kunai, which to be honest the only thing they need to change about it is to make it a mid instead of a low
That's actually a really good nerf.

It either needs to be a pressure tool or a mixup tool. Not both.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
Usually if there's a character or a move that one can do without fear of beying destroyed, and all you can do is play his game instead of actually doing something of your own to condition him, then it is perceived as broken.

Equo, Grandmaster clone. For more than half the cast, when you don't have meter you just ended up in a 10-0 matchup.
false. All projectiles break the clone. Only maybe 3 variations are truly 10-0 fucked meterless, and if that's the case, save your meter and learn to make reads.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
false. All projectiles break the clone. Only maybe 3 variations are truly 10-0 fucked meterless, and if that's the case, save your meter and learn to make reads.
False. You shoot a projectile, you get slided. And this is in the case the grandmaster is truly braindead spamming clones full screen. Otherwise try shooting a projectile in jumpin range or in the corner. Lawl.

Only reads you can make is if you will lose horribly, or extremely horribly.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
False. You shoot a projectile, you get slided. And this is in the case the grandmaster is truly braindead spamming clones full screen. Otherwise try shooting a projectile in jumpin range or in the corner. Lawl.

Only reads you can make is if you will lose horribly, or extremely horribly.
That's nonsense. Either you're fighting a psychic Sub Zero who read your projectile and slid instead of clone, or you're getting baited before / after its out. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that you could've done better.

Clone in the corner is a problem, I'll give you that, but this nonsense that subzero can just "hide" behind a clone all day and slide / b+2 everything on reaction is nonsense.
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
You can't do better, since you can't do anything. In matchups where you don't have a fast or low projectile (i.e. not Mileena ofc), unless you shoot the instant you see the clone, you will get slid. If you shoot the instant you see the clone, there is nothing you can do since until you run up to him the clone timer is up and you will get d4+another clone in your face. At that range, you are pretty much screwed, since breaking the clone is not an option since you will get b2-ed easily.

This is of course, midscreen, where you actually can wait instead of die, but in the corner without meter, you are 10-0ed period.

This is not even theory talk, this is what Madzin, Taco, Ricky etc all GM players did in matches.
In Perfect Legend's koth Ricky bodied people 100-0 and only lost to hard counterpicks just cloning and d4-cloning their approach attempts, until he corner carried them and it was game over.

And no, the hard counterpicks are not 10 as everyone says. Only chars who actually can d4 or use a safe instant move through the clone are hard counterpicks. Ferra Torr can't do that in the corner, neither can QuanChi or KungJin, nor StuntDouble.

You can only hard counterpick GM with Dvorah Alien Mileena and Predator (the latter being still a hard matchup).
 

M.D.

Spammer. Crouch walk hater.
Don't pay attention to me, pay attention to Tekken Master struggling to counterpick GM with everything and still losing:

 

dennycascade

UPR_ghastem
Usually if there's a character or a move that one can do without fear of beying destroyed, and all you can do is play his game instead of actually doing something of your own to condition him, then it is perceived as broken.
Why did you just describe a-list and his knee?
 
DS spam spam has always been broken
even after several patches DS spam spam has been broken for some ppl
spam spam = unstopable for some ppl

 

RoboCop

The future of law enforcement.
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"Broken" is hyperbole. I believe the only character who ever "broke" a competitive fighter was Akuma in one of the earlier Street Fighters, where he had an attack that the actual game wasn't designed to handle; he literally broke the game.

In MKX, nothing is really "broken", it's just dumb as shit. 50/50 into 50/50 into 50/50 that's all safe and launches for 40%. No, that's fucking dumb and should not exist. The risk/reward is all out of whack.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
Don't pay attention to me, pay attention to Tekken Master struggling to counterpick GM with everything and still losing:

Like I said, tough matchups exist. It doesn't mean we need to erase characters. It means we as players need to be more flexible. Not everyone can beat everyone in a fighting game. Never. NRS gave every character in MKX 3 versions and people expect all a thousand matchups to be no worse than 6-4. Get real. GM needs a clone, you need another character.
 

Meep8345

Noob
Broken is anything that legit breaks the game like the ermac glitch then there's so op that it's pratically broken like ex Kunais,Demo grenades,alien in general, ice clone against certain characters,Dvorah's puddle,etc.