So when 1 summoner Quan has made top 8s since the release of the game does that mean pre xl Quan wasn't broken? Results aren't everything "buddy"What are you talking about buddy. I am looking for players to study. Also results do matter in tier placements. It is not because a character is strong on paper automatically means the character is OVERPOWERED. That was Boon's question wasn't it? NRS, Capcom and even mobas balance their characters according to tournament results so what I think doesn't really matter. I will give some examples so we can end this argument: SF the twins/Sagat/Akuma. Igau Superman/black Adam. MKX Tanya. Just to name a few.
Do you even know what "broken" means?So when 1 summoner Quan has made top 8s since the release of the game does that mean pre xl Quan wasn't broken? Results aren't everything "buddy"
If you're saying Meterless hard to blockable vortex all game isn't broken then please stop responding to meDo you even know what "broken" means?
Totally balanced, I don't see the problem here.If you're saying Meterless hard to blockable vortex all game isn't broken then please stop responding to me
I count roughly half the cast that has safe 50/50s.Noone is really truly broken in the sense that they have favorable tools to have a one up on the whole cast matchup wise. i think Tanya pre patch and Quan pre patch fit that bill. before. not really noone has anything more than people getting salty from something they just think there version of the game is broke. what ive herd is X character is broke has safe 50/50's over and over. and its getting old, more than 90% of cast has safe 50/50's. thats the meta of the game safe mixups. either adapt or forever lose.
I mean...Demo Sonya right now kind of fits the bill of no one having tools for the one up. You either go even with her or you are losing, she has like 0 losing matchups which in a fighting game, especially one that is SO reliant on matchup numbers, that's pretty much broken. Broken to me means that a thing they do actively makes you think in a way that is not consistent with the rest of game, it makes it so the tools you have at your disposal are to be used with a COMPLETELY different thought process. Sonya's grenades do that to you. It makes you have to go through so many scenarios in your head that is can cause you to fry out and not be on top of everything because if the Sonya has you blocking, she dictates what happens next. You get 0 say in the matter. She can choose to delay grenade detonate, have it jail, do a 50/50 in there, maybe a throw. Who knows?! I'll tell you who knows, the Sonya player, because they are calling the shots 90% of the game. The grenades also affect how you think about making trades. Because normally a trade will consist of "You get hit, I get hit, one of us is slightly favored in this exchange." For Sonya is is "I got hit once, you get full combo'd into reload and pressure." The character breaks the very fundamentals of the game itself with her mere existence and it is actually just disgustingNoone is really truly broken in the sense that they have favorable tools to have a one up on the whole cast matchup wise. i think Tanya pre patch and Quan pre patch fit that bill. before. not really noone has anything more than people getting salty from something they just think there version of the game is broke. what ive herd is X character is broke has safe 50/50's over and over. and its getting old, more than 90% of cast has safe 50/50's. thats the meta of the game safe mixups. either adapt or forever lose.
Tanya's b3 and f3 are both safe. So technically you can add her.I count roughly half the cast that has safe 50/50s.
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Alien
Jason
Sonya
Takeda
Cassie
Jacqui
Kung Jin
Bo Rai Cho
Kano
Erron Black
Reptile
Ferra/Tor
D'Vorah
Raiden
Quan
Goro
Smoke
Except one is incredibly slow and reactable. I didn't add mileena either.Tanya's b3 and f3 are both safe. So technically you can add her.
I dont agree the other things you said because, well takeda cut throat kano alien etc.........She can choose to delay grenade detonate, have it jail, do a 50/50 in there, maybe a throw. Who knows?! I'll tell you who knows, the Sonya player, because they are calling the shots.
I know but I can't say that it isn't safe for how bad it is. That is the one up side to it.Except one is incredibly slow and reactable. I didn't add mileena either.
To be fair I never said Takeda Kunai, Kano Armor Traps/Super Plus 50/50's or Alien Full Screen 50/50's didn't break the game. It's just breaks the game with grenades AND does it 100% free, meaning her meter can be used for a plethora of ridiculous setups instead of using it on combo damage.I dont agree the other things you said because, well takeda cut throat kano alien etc.........
But god damn do i love this line right here! Lmao
No need to explain. That sonya line was god like and on the money.To be fair I never said Takeda Kunai, Kano Armor Traps/Super Plus 50/50's or Alien Full Screen 50/50's didn't break the game. It's just breaks the game with grenades AND does it 100% free, meaning her meter can be used for a plethora of ridiculous setups instead of using it on combo damage.
What's wrong with eternal plus frames into hard to blockables? Seems fine to me!...oh wait I'm getting told right now that this doesn't need to be a thing for Takeda to be good...so...why did we...give that to him? Oh right, complaining *smh*I absolutely hate Takeda. I hate him so much he's as bad as day 1 tanya imo. I can't stand that sob.
Why thank you, I tryNo need to explain. That sonya line was god like and on the money.
Id prefer to fight acidic over takeda.What's wrong with eternal plus frames into hard to blockables? Seems fine to me!...oh wait I'm getting told right now that this doesn't need to be a thing for Takeda to be good...so...why did we...give that to him? Oh right, complaining *smh*
That's his whole game plan I feel. Kind of like his personality. Annoying, and put in the right situation it can get you killed.Id prefer to fight acidic over takeda.
On top of all you mentioned all his 50/50s jail. He can stop f12 2+4 at f12 because the whole string jails and you have to respect because he can always cancel to low kunai. Incredibly long reach 50/50s. He annoys the shit out of me.
Yeah i seriously find him more annoying then demo.That's his whole game plan I feel. Kind of like his personality. Annoying, and put in the right situation it can get you killed.
I can respect that but Demo takes the cake for me. I'm happy a balance patch is on the way so they can take a sledgehammer to her grenades. And by that I mean reduce some + frame numbers and make them go away on hit. Don't kill her but also don't just ignore her.Yeah i seriously find him more annoying then demo.