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Tech - Cyrax Cyrax Meterless HTB Armor Breaking Setup!

xxFalcon Loverxx

Ignorant slaves, how quickly you forget.
I still think Cyrax sucks lol. I just like the character a lot and I love setup characters.

I don't think I'll ever use him for real in tournament again. But he's probably my most used character casually.
True. But i still use him no matter where he stands on the tier list. But he's still viable no doubt though.
 

scarsunseen

RIP TYM 6/11/2021
In the 86% i posted previously, the cool thing is that when you do the HTB bomb/b1-(ex)saw, IF they manage to block all of that, it's completely safe. And if they don't block that correctly or try armoring, they get huge follow-up damage. There's really no risk except losing 1-bar.

Also, if you try armor-beaking with bomb/F43-(ex)db4, the (ex)db4 will only come out on hit because of its built-in option select.
 

scarsunseen

RIP TYM 6/11/2021
I'm loving the double bomb oki setup @Reaper . I'll have to mess with that later. For a net capture oki setup, I'm thinking you could possibly end with: close bomb, mid bomb, net. A bomb and a net will break armor AND they'll be caught in the net.

Reaper, in you first video above, instead of ending with B3D4, can you dry B3-net?
 

Reaper

Noob
B3 net:

The problem with this is that even if you catch with the net, the bomb blows up so you don't get time to setup bombs for a combo and going for raw net is dangerous because if they delay, the net flys over and that -million recovery kicks in (same thing happens with B1 net)

On another note, backdashes:
if you input a micro-run if you see your opponent, it will either catch the backdash or they will be forced to block the HTB(depending on the backdash)
The problem if the opponent does a wake-up is that it is very difficult to land on armor that is faster than 9 frames due to the micro-run(usually characters with really fast armor don't have the greatest/farthest backdashes so you could probably catch with just doing b3d4 might catch them, except Kano)
 

scarsunseen

RIP TYM 6/11/2021
I just tested this myself... The good thing about doing B1-net is that if you break armor, the net guarantees that they'll be hit by the following mid bomb. If you don't do a net, then can duck block it. See below.


Also, if you trade on your armor-break oki setup, you can STILL combo because of how much stun from B3. See below.


I have AI set to auto-block. I don't have time right now to test the above with B1 instead of B3, but I think doing B1 is always going to be preferable because it's an overhead/low HTB setup.\

A few times, I was able to actually catch them in a net AFTER the mid bomb to start a new combo. The timing is hard. I'll work on it later.
 
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Vigilante24

Beware my power, Red Lantern's Light
Slowly steering me away from CSZ to Cyrax with all this double bomb oki. But CSZ can literally not be locked down or zoned out with his crazy mobility. But Cyrax actually has damage and dangerous setups/oki. Ahhh decisions!!!

Have you guys found anything like this yet to help his corner game?
 

xxFalcon Loverxx

Ignorant slaves, how quickly you forget.
I did a little testing with B1-close bomb. They recover fast enough to crouch block the mid bomb. I need to test more later though. Make sure you test with auto-block on :)
Wierd. For me every time i did it, it combo'd. I'll do more testing today. :p
 

Harlequin969

Always press buttons
I love you guys. I was away for a few days and already it feels like prepatch Cyrax again. We just had to be creative.

This got me thinking if CSZ can benefit from this same type of idea. Gonna mess with it in the lab tomorrow.
 
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Harlequin969

Always press buttons
Slowly steering me away from CSZ to Cyrax with all this double bomb oki. But CSZ can literally not be locked down or zoned out with his crazy mobility. But Cyrax actually has damage and dangerous setups/oki. Ahhh decisions!!!

Have you guys found anything like this yet to help his corner game?
Told you Cyrax still lived man
 

scarsunseen

RIP TYM 6/11/2021
Yea I got the same thing as above... B1 sometimes hits them into the mid bomb, but sometimes they're able to block. I've personally had the best success doing B3D4 after the double-bomb oki. I also like doing B1/B3-(ex)saw cuz it's safe. :D
 
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John the Savage

"Safeties disabled, combat mode engaged."
I love you guys. I was away for a few days and already it feels like prepatch Cyrax again. We just had to be creative.
That is how I feel. Leave for a month to play dark souls 3 and come back to this. I know good players will learn to deal with it and I'll have to play some mind games of my own but for now these double bomb set ups are super fun.

I'm able to get b1 into hover bomb pretty consistently now setting it up to be looped again.
Not that you really need too since you take so much health away anyways.

Thanks @Reaper and @scarsunseen for continually pushing this character.
 

Bruno-NeoSpace

They see me zonin', they hatin'
Did somebody say tech?
The second bomb does launch, i just did u3 like an idiot
Delayed Wake-up:
Amazing!!! but what about instant armored attack?

These beat roll with armored attack and instant armored attack but what about delayed wake-up?:


 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
@Reaper , another question :p

is it practical?

yesz if you leave out the extra metered bomb in middle, but realize that only works if they block it and stand there, cuz if they jump/Armor/or backdash twice they get out of it, not to mention Xray. basically it only works with a very hard read that they will either Armor forwrd or block first and second hit of string.
 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
yesz if you leave out the extra metered bomb in middle, but realize that only works if they block it and stand there, cuz if they jump/Armor/or backdash twice they get out of it, not to mention Xray. basically it only works with a very hard read that they will either Armor forwrd or block first and second hit of string.
I guess you can use different normals but b1 and others obnly work for different responses they will do. so everything to do with his double bomb armor break combos, are hard reads on Cyraxs part