General/Other - Raiden NRS pls... Raiden needs help.

Raiden is a rushdown mix up character with bad normals and tools for neutral, footsie game, bad deffense in TG and MoS and he has a lot of useless, low effective, wrong desighned special moves and unnecessary gaps in some strings in TG, but hes up close game is good, he has good buttons for up close game and deffense is good, but only in displacer, but it's not enough for being strong, complete character in MKX, he should change. Raiden needs buffs.
Raiden needs these changes to become strong, complete character in MKX.




These buffs would improve hes bad neutral, footsies in general for all variation and improve hes bad deffense in general and also would diversifies the gameplay and he would be more fun to play.
Buffs:

1) 10-11 fr F2 -3 on block (now F2 is 15 fr F2 +2 on block) - I think it's a perfect change for improving hes neutral in general and stand up game in general. F2 is not true mid that's why 10-11 fr would be right and balanced.

2) 11 fr D4 +10 on hit and -6 on block (now D4 is 13 fr -4 on block and +19 on hit) - Fast F2 not true mid combined with fast D4 long range down poke would improve hes neutral, footsies. F2 has weaknese and its low profiling and D4 would cover F2 and also diversifies the gameplay.

3) DF2 shocker Mid and -5 on block (now DF2 is - 7 on block and High) - I just think this move is wrong desighned and its would be right changing it because this special move has a lot of recovery, its not a combostarter and all of these reasons is enough to making DF2 absolutely safe and hitting Mid.

4) EX DF2 Mid (now EX DF2 is High) - i also think this move is wrong desighned too and long recovery and unsafety its a good reasons to making EX DF2 hitting mid.

5) 7-8 fr Vicinity Blast DB2 (now DB2 is 15 fr) - this special move is not a launcher and hits high, 7-8 fr DB2 change would be nice and this special move becomes more viable.

6) 7-8 fr EX Vicinity Burst DB2 Mid -30 on block (now EX DB2 is 20 fr hits High and +2 on block) - This buff would help especially for TG and MOS variation and he would have fast armor for deffense in that varitions, fast but unsafe which is fair and balanced. Yea with this change Raiden will not be able to cancelling B2 into DB2 for meter for being safe and EX DB2 woul'nt be safe BUT its worth it, its a good trade off and fair and balanced.

7) Removing Gaps in two strings before DF2 , gaps formed after canceling lightnings in TG var. before canceling into shocker DF2 in two Thunder God variation strings starting from highs: F12 B2 hold 2 *GAP* DF2 and 112 hold 2 *GAP* DF2 - well those strings starts from a highs and its would be right.

8) 15 fr (F22+4) string in Thunder God variation (now (F22+4) is 22 fr) - that change would be nice.



Nerfs:

1) Ex teleport in displacer -5 on block down from +2 - i think with all of these buffs those nerfs would make sense.

2) Damage scalling -5% from BnB combos but not from lightnings, lightnings are already nerfed too much - same explanation as for ex teleport nerf. For example maybe nerfing scalling on ex shocker e.t.c. From 40% with meter to 35% with meter.

3)Also nerf NJP maybe - same explanation as for other nerfs above this one.



Immortal Thunder God Raiden needs all these buffs. IMO all of these changes are fair and balanced. And last patch is the last chance.

NRS pls...





P.s. Sorry for my english. I hope everything is written clearly. )))

He's fine. Buff Unbreakable.

Stop making these threads. If the patch is tomorrow it's finalized and ready to go. These threads are pointless and annoying.

Not another one....<fscepalm> Can someone move this to spam folder or something ?

How about to buff F****g Unbreakable. A.K.A ( Unwinnable).

freerf245 said:

Stop making these threads. If the patch is tomorrow it's finalized and ready to go. These threads are pointless and annoying.

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One up to this. The begging threads that go on paragraph after paragraph is one of the more unfortunate displays of the modern video game fan. Even top tier characters have buff request threads...when will you all realize you will usually be disappointed with patch notes because NRS does not give a flying shit about random threads from plebs? I seem like an asshole for this, but it is just the brutal truth.

LMFAOO you made the thread twice

Fighting @Aqueous_Echo made me realize how good raiden can actually be.

TQT1995 said:

He's fine. Buff Unbreakable.

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Cuck

Stop being so arrogant and ignorant and asshole, chill peeps. I didn't know that patch comes tomorrow. These threads pointless or not i dont't care, i just wanted to do it and i did it.

The patch isn t coming tomorrow

1. Goro's Punch-walk should do more damage because all of Goro's combos that use Punch-walk are pitiful.
2. Stomps input should be DD3 because the current DU input causes a forced input error after crouching.
3. Goro's B3 is his only low attack and should have better frame data or maybe a follow up string.
4. Goro's standing 3 hits high and would be much better if it hit mid also 3D3 could be 1 or 2 frames quicker.

There a short list easy to read and easy to understand. Fix Goro and Raiden they both deserve to be top ten.

freerf245 said:

Stop making these threads. If the patch is tomorrow it's finalized and ready to go. These threads are pointless and annoying.

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where is everyone getting this info, did i miss something on ED Boon twitter? or NRS twitter?


PS whoever said he made athread twice is false, he made a buff LAo and Buff Raiden. nothing wrong with wanting buffs for those characters.


And anyone saying Subzero needs buffs more than either is dead wrong.


Sub does need buffs in unbreakable

but Raiden Master Of Storms needs buffs bad possibly more than any of them.

and Hat Trick Lao needs them really bad. they wiff so much so his pressure is useless, and what makes him that variation does nothing if the 2 specials that are the addition to the variaition wiff then whats the point, might as well use one of the other variations or variationless if you play hat trick.

N00B said:

Stop being so arrogant and ignorant and asshole, chill peeps. I didn't know that patch comes tomorrow. These threads pointless or not i dont't care, i just wanted to do it and i did it.

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Do what you please, man. But what you are doing is "Monkey see, Monkey do". There are lots of avenues of discussing Raiden fixes on this forum already. A begging thread....excuse me, the 1,000,000th begging/rambling threads is just unnecessary. Everyone wants a top tier character.

Raiden is actually really good. If he needs help, then help yourself and play all his variations and figure out how to win without being spoon fed character steroids.

Stop making buff threads when the patch, if it happens, is so close. It's probably already finished.

Tweedy said:

Stop making buff threads when the patch, if it happens, is so close. It's probably already finished.

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Right. If it is coming at all, it is probably already finished. Even if they were starting it fresh right now, a thread like this would get ignored as the devs read through a thread by REO or Pig. Which is why I encourage this guy to discuss this on pre existing threads that probably have Developer attention.

Perdition said:

Do what you please, man. But what you are doing is "Monkey see, Monkey do". There are lots of avenues of discussing Raiden fixes on this forum already. A begging thread....excuse me, the 1,000,000th begging/rambling threads is just unnecessary. Everyone wants a top tier character.

Raiden is actually really good. If he needs help, then help yourself and play all his variations and figure out how to win without being spoon fed character steroids.

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umm Master Of Storms needs buffs, and id love to see every character that needs even one adjustment get that needed adjustment, even if its a mid tier to A tier adjustment.

Like you said everyone wants them, why does it hurt to ask.


anyone who is bothered by a thread that ask for buffs, is easily avoidable by reading title and passing over it.

MadeOfMetal said:

umm Master Of Storms needs buffs, and id love to see every character that needs even one adjustment get that needed adjustment, even if its a mid tier to A tier adjustment.

Like you said everyone wants them, why does it hurt to ask.


anyone who is bothered by a thread that ask for buffs, is easily avoidable by reading title and passing over it.

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I shall pass it over now. Raiden probably does need some buffs. It is just a bit discouraging to come on this site when the top threads are constantly littered with these threads. I have passed over all of them until this one.

He is fine, just needs shocker to be a mid, also F1 being a mid would be handy possibly.

Watch @TheRealOnlyGoonie Displacer; absolutely knows that character variation in and out, will really change your views on Raiden needing all these buffs, so hype

Kooron Nation said:

He is fine, just needs shocker to be a mid, also F1 being a mid would be handy possibly.

Watch @TheRealOnlyGoonie Displacer; absolutely knows that character variation in and out, will really change your views on Raiden needing all these buffs, so hype

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F1 being a 6 frame mid while f12 is now 0 on block would be stupid.

I hope master of storms gets his needed buffs, I'm learning him and he's really fun.

Kooron Nation said:

He is fine, just needs shocker to be a mid, also F1 being a mid would be handy possibly.

Watch @TheRealOnlyGoonie Displacer; absolutely knows that character variation in and out, will really change your views on Raiden needing all these buffs, so hype

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Yeah, lets revert the patch changes and make f1 a 6f mid again.
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Kooron Nation said:

He is fine, just needs shocker to be a mid, also F1 being a mid would be handy possibly.

Watch @TheRealOnlyGoonie Displacer; absolutely knows that character variation in and out, will really change your views on Raiden needing all these buffs, so hype

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A 6 frame Mid???? Hell no, not to be mean doggy but that is absurd. noone in this game should have a 6 frame mid.So you know (9-10 frames is the average of the best mids in this game) and MOS and displacer are two very different variations, just because someone does good With Jacqui Shotgun don't make High Tech top, same goes for, MOS and Displacer, or Possessed and Balanced/Kenjutsu. or Smoke and CSZ.

Displacer is good because he has the tool to escape pressure and zoning with the teleport. and uses it as a combo extender and as a pressur tool. MOS can;t get shit out safe on block and when he tried if opponent guesses wright on his 50 Radien gets punished, Doesn't happen that way with Displacer, he can make everything safe.

@ismael4790 @LaidbackOne
Was unaware it ever was a mid sorry guys, but I see how it could be too strong, even though it is a very close ranged normal, he doesn't really have a solid advancing mid?
But the God's Rage (F12B2) is a solid string that serves the same purpose I guess.

You both agree on Shocker being a mid tho?

Kooron Nation said:

@ismael4790 @LaidbackOne
Was unaware it ever was a mid sorry guys, but I see how it could be too strong, even though it is a very close ranged normal, he doesn't really have a solid advancing mid?
But the God's Rage (F12B2) is a solid string that serves the same purpose I guess.

You both agree on Shocker being a mid tho?

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If f1 was made a mid again, it should be at least 9 frames because f12 is neutral on block. I think f1 is fine now.

I see at least ex shocker becoming a mid, yes.

N00B said:

Nerfs:

1) Ex teleport in displacer -5 on block down from +2 - i think with all of these buffs those nerfs would make sense.

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Seriously. If you HAVE to make threads like this, you at least need a base understanding of your own character's move set. Also, Raiden is not bad at all (except for MoS).