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Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
they both travel through the air at a hard to react to pace and leave you plus on block. For the purposes of this conversation Idgaf what you call the move, they have similar uses and are comprable in the context he's using.
Their uses are very different at the same time. Cammy and Ken can use their divekicks to circumvent some footsies situations and as a general offense generator. Alex can sorta use the stomps for the latter (in tandem with EX stungun), but the former is a lot less applicable.
 

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
Juri's neutral rides on being able to get stores...which ain't super impossible, but forces you to forgo blockstrings altogether to get them guaranteed.
The only store I really care about in neutral is LK. But I don't see how it'd be hard to get those during neutral. After she gets a hit she does have to make some sacrifices. Even on block you can decide to be -2 for a charge. But I was talking purely about her in neutral.

the man thought c viper was bottom 1 in usf4. He's not objective, clearly.
IDK SF4 history like that but I have heard of his shenanigans from that game.

@Aramonde http://www.mmcafe.com/tiermaker/
 
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B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
Vega has to knock you down in order to set that up. It's not like he just gets that anytime he wants.
Right it get's stronger in the corner. Amyway I feel like my point has already been proven. Plus on block dive kicks are generally fine in SFV.
 

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
Their uses are very different at the same time. Cammy and Ken can use their divekicks to circumvent some footsies situations and as a general offense generator. Alex can sorta use the stomps for the latter (in tandem with EX stungun), but the former is a lot less applicable.
His stomp hits ranges ex divekicks won't and you can choose where you land and it's much harder to aa. You have to charge it but that's a non-issue if you're occupying your huge cr. mp range and the fact that you literally cant be jumped on with jab aa. You have all day to sit there and you can definitely use the respect of stomp cancel pressure on offense too slip in a stun gun or just be at +2 so it augments his other tools.


I dont have to react to two different ken ex divekicks and again stomp is way harder to aa on reaction.
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
Right it get's stronger in the corner. Amyway I feel like my point has already been proven. Plus on block dive kicks are generally fine in SFV.
I'm glad that you were able to prove your point about divekicks being fine by bringing up a move that isn't even a divekick. Bravo. Shazzy for president.
 

@MylesWright_

I'll be back 3ing
People complain at me for 'downplaying' yet every time I've said a character is bad/weaker there's professional tournament players agreeing with me a week + down the line.

I know what I'm talking about. The moment I touched Ibuki and Juri I felt I had downgraded from F.A.N.G
 
People complain at me for 'downplaying' yet every time I've said a character is bad/weaker there's professional tournament players agreeing with me a week + down the line.

I know what I'm talking about. The moment I touched Ibuki and Juri I felt I had downgraded from F.A.N.G
apparently dude. Fang is S- tier. You're a moron for leaving behind that gilded God of a character.

Also you can find a professional player saying almost anything. Just like I could find ONE climate scientist that would say global warming is a hoax. Just because one potentially qualified person says something doesn't mean it's true.


Edit: also I didn't complain at you for saying juri isn't top tier. I complained that you said she was #1 on day one, 5-7 on day 4, mid tier on day 6, and bottom one on day 7. If you're changing your mind that wildly and with that big of a margin for error maybe shut up about balance since you clearly don't know shit yet.
 

@MylesWright_

I'll be back 3ing
apparently dude. Fang is S- tier. You're a moron for leaving behind that gilded God of a character.

Also you can find a professional player saying almost anything. Just like I could find ONE climate scientist that would say global warming is a hoax. Just because one potentially qualified person says something doesn't mean it's true.


Edit: also I didn't complain at you for saying juri isn't top tier. I complained that you said she was #1 on day one, 5-7 on day 4, mid tier on day 6, and bottom one on day 7. If you're changing your mind that wildly and with that big of a margin for error maybe shut up about balance since you clearly don't know shit yet.
I don't see anyone saying Ken and Necalli are mid tier or that Guile would be broken if he could combo of upside down kick. I wonder why
 
People complain at me for 'downplaying' yet every time I've said a character is bad/weaker there's professional tournament players agreeing with me a week + down the line.

I know what I'm talking about. The moment I touched Ibuki and Juri I felt I had downgraded from F.A.N.G
So by your "pro player" logic are you saying Fang is S tier?
 
I don't see anyone saying Ken and Necalli are mid tier or that Guile would be broken if he could combo of upside down kick. I wonder why
you actually see that in flashs tier list lol. His Necalli is one spot below where I placed him on my list(or do you not think 7th out of 20 is a justifiable mid tier?). As a matter of fact his top 8 is pretty much exactly what I told you when you raged at me but I had Ken below Necalli, Karin, and Nash. Which I still stand by. If this game never gets patched Ken will fall further on the tier list than every other character in the game.

As for the upside down kick I've told you multiple times that I said it'd be a useless buff, not a broken one.
 
Well, it starts off good with the st.HK, f.HP (reset) part, but then you need a mixup or something at the cr.MP into clothesline part because they will probably just block the cr.MP and the clothesline and then punish you. See if you can turn that cr.MP into a st.HP into clothesline or something that combos at least so they have to guess between blocking and a command grab. I don't own Alex though, so you gotta do all that testing on your own.
yeah appreciate the feedback it was actually cr lp into clothesline into st mp st mp into ex flash chop
 

@MylesWright_

I'll be back 3ing
Is there any particular reason why Juri needs to spend meter for an anti-air when other characters can do whatever they want on the ground and still have time to reflex anti-air with lights?



[Some stuff about Ken not being that good]

[Upside down kick salt]
I don't know if there's a top tier character you haven't been saying isn't that good.
 
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Is there any particular reason why Juri needs to spend meter for an anti-air when other characters can do whatever they want on the ground and still have time to reflex anti-air with lights?





I don't know if there's a top tier character you haven't been saying isn't that good.
karin has worse anti airs than juri, and vega is worse as well. Thanks for responding to my points btw.
 
Capcom please sort your bloody servers out, I cannot stay connected to it.

The only store I really care about in neutral is LK. But I don't see how it'd be hard to get those during neutral. After she gets a hit she does have to make some sacrifices. Even on block you can decide to be -2 for a charge. But I was talking purely about her in neutral.
When Juri can cancel stuff into the LK store, that is the only store she needs. The other stores make punishing a mind game.