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Question - High Tech Jacqui HIGH TECH buff ideas..

Do you agree with these buffs for High Tech?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 8.9%
  • No

    Votes: 41 91.1%

  • Total voters
    45

omooba

fear the moobs
Johnny Cage, D'Vorah, Liu Kang; hell even Kano and Takeda are just as scary up close and have more ranged options.
seriously? kano? you have to block 2 50/50's that's it and he has to spend a bar to do that. ht can meterlessly make you block 3 50/50's and stay plus after. d'vorah is only plus after 1 run cancel. liu kang i already went over. All these characters are better than high tech like waaay better but up close wtf are y'all talking about whatever you think is so good about them upclose, she can do waaaaay better
 

OfficialYungmonster

Run and Tell ya mama bout that
ok let's so who you're saying is scarier
flame fist- no 50/50's needs meter to be safe on pressure
dragon's fire- jails but no 50/50's
a-list-jails ,psuedo 50/50, vortex
ht- jailing TRUE 50/50's, true block infinites, psuedo block infinites and does more meterless dmg than both liu kang's do with a bar
i really don't think this is even a debate. she's not low tier she's mid tier, shit reo thinks she's high tier. but there's definitely NOBODY in this game better up close. i can't think of a way to make her more broken up close other than fixing her problems. that's why again i say if you buff her you better nerf the shit out of her
Ok.. Please tell me this. How many good high techs have you fought? And how many of those high tech players killed you with one touch. Everything she does ends in plus 2. Not plus 1800. No one is downplaying her. If anything you are overplaying here. The way your make her sound right now, you would think she'd be in tournaments.
 
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omooba

fear the moobs
Ok.. Please tell me this. How many good high techs have you fought? And how many of those high tech players killed you with one touch. Everything she does ends in plus 2. Not plus 1800. No one is downplaying her. If anything you are overplaying here. The way your make her sound right now, you would think she'd be in tournaments.
oh yeah lets go back to that "SHE'S NOT AT TOURNAMENTS SO SHE MUST SUCK" it's not like a high tech player didn't take a round of sonic fox at esl or anything. i'm so done the downplay is disgusting. i'm giving reasons why i think what i think and you're repeating something i already disproved seriously? i'm so done.
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
seriously? kano? you have to block 2 50/50's that's it and he has to spend a bar to do that. ht can meterlessly make you block 3 50/50's and stay plus after.
Explain how HT makes you block 3 50/50's? Liu Kang does hella chip and can parry plus armor break. I would trade being +2 for an armor break or a parry but he's got both.
 

omooba

fear the moobs
Explain how HT makes you block 3 50/50's? Liu Kang does hella chip and can parry plus armor break. I would trade being +2 for an armor break or a parry but he's got both.
see you're not downplaying, you're just not informed. this is a conversation i can actualy have.

high tech's low and overhead combo starter's both jail into mutliple strings meaning everytime she does a 50/50's she stays plus till she runs out of stamina at which point she can end it in df2 which is plus 2 on block that's at least 3 50/50's and she's still plus.

lu kang does about 9% chip meterlessly. 12% with the buff. about 16% 1 bar and 18% 2 bars. the catch is he's literally never safe. if you make the right read you can punish EVERYTIME it's all about reading it. and meterlessly he only builds half a bar.

on the other hand
if you block jacqui's 50/50 and she can jail into 2 reps of 1,2,1 ending in df2 doing a total of 8% chip and building OVER 3/4 of a bar. doing about 4% more chip with each guantlet charge and if you actually get hit in the corner she's doing upwards of 40% meterless
 

Pan1cMode

AUS FGC represent!
see you're not downplaying, you're just not informed. this is a conversation i can actualy have.

high tech's low and overhead combo starter's both jail into mutliple strings meaning everytime she does a 50/50's she stays plus till she runs out of stamina at which point she can end it in df2 which is plus 2 on block that's at least 3 50/50's and she's still plus.

lu kang does about 9% chip meterlessly. 12% with the buff. about 16% 1 bar and 18% 2 bars. the catch is he's literally never safe. if you make the right read you can punish EVERYTIME it's all about reading it. and meterlessly he only builds half a bar.

on the other hand
if you block jacqui's 50/50 and she can jail into 2 reps of 1,2,1 ending in df2 doing a total of 8% chip and building OVER 3/4 of a bar. doing about 4% more chip with each guantlet charge and if you actually get hit in the corner she's doing upwards of 40% meterless
It only jails into s1...

Block the 50/50, block the follow up string oh look now the most they can jail is s1.

They want to go for a 50/50? OS armour and beat them.

After the second run cancel, she has no stamina to continue a combo unless it's dash canceled so look, no more 50/50s; even though they don't jail (which you seem to think they do for some reason?)

So max 2 50/50s both of which leave a significant gap to be armour broken; stamina dependant pressure (how is she meant to get in again?) that ends in +2 which means fuck all against half the majority of the cast who low profile her mids.
 

YoloRoll1stHit

Publicly Educated
oh yeah lets go back to that "SHE'S NOT AT TOURNAMENTS SO SHE MUST SUCK" it's not like a high tech player didn't take a round of sonic fox at esl or anything. i'm so done the downplay is disgusting. i'm giving reasons why i think what i think and you're repeating something i already disproved seriously? i'm so done.
I can name like 10 characters who can easily dominate HT by just mashing low pokes all day without doing anything else, and like 15 characters who have tools to make sure that HT can never establish her gameplan
 

omooba

fear the moobs
It only jails into s1...

Block the 50/50, block the follow up string oh look now the most they can jail is s1.

They want to go for a 50/50? OS armour and beat them.

After the second run cancel, she has no stamina to continue a combo unless it's dash canceled so look, no more 50/50s; even though they don't jail (which you seem to think they do for some reason?)

So max 2 50/50s both of which leave a significant gap to be armour broken; stamina dependant pressure (how is she meant to get in again?) that ends in +2 which means fuck all against half the majority of the cast who low profile her mids.
block the 50/50 block the follow up string then block the s1 string. she's basically built a bar and done 8% dmg guaranteed and who's doing better than this? liu kang? kano? johnny? seriously?
OS armor can be done against liu johnny and kage. and the 50/50's do jail. i didn't say they jail into each other i said they jail into other strings and no the overhead doesn't jail into only standing 1 you probably mean 1,2,1.
you mean max 2 plus 50/50's for max dmg you can still do a third 50/50 you just have to choose between comboing and being plus.
and this is all talking about after she gets in how does she open you up. getting in is a huge problem she has. again i'm talking about how good she is after she gets in.

lastly everything that low profiles her knee low profiles alien's f1. that's like maybe a third of the cast not half definitely not half
I can name like 10 characters who can easily dominate HT by just mashing low pokes all day without doing anything else, and like 15 characters who have tools to make sure that HT can never establish her gameplan
agree on 2nd part. the first part is kinda bullshit. low profile pokes like cage's d4 are annoying to deal with but that's like the 1st things every jacqui player learns to play around.

i feel like you guys might now have seen my earier posts so i'll say it again. i don't think she's high tier, she's mid tier. what stops her from being high tier is the "15 characters" that don't let her establish her gameplan. she has too many problems to be top tier including getting in so again all i'm referring to is how good she is when she does get in
 

YoloRoll1stHit

Publicly Educated
agree on 2nd part. the first part is kinda bullshit. low profile pokes like cage's d4 are annoying to deal with but that's like the 1st things every jacqui player learns to play around.

i feel like you guys might now have seen my earier posts so i'll say it again. i don't think she's high tier, she's mid tier. what stops her from being high tier is the "15 characters" that don't let her establish her gameplan. she has too many problems to be top tier including getting in so again all i'm referring to is how good she is when she does get in
You can read my post on 2nd page. I think she needs buffs and nerfs at the same time.
Her design is stupid. High Tech and Killer Frost can win the award for the worst character design in the history of fighting game. (I know KF is mid tier in that game but lbh, her design is very bad). I can't get in and get bodied in the neutral so I'm gonna do a bunch of risky stupid read in the neutral just to get in and hope that you won't be able to get away, so that I can take away your entire bar with either chip damage or 50/50.
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
block the 50/50 block the follow up string then block the s1 string. she's basically built a bar and done 8% dmg guaranteed and who's doing better than this? liu kang? kano? johnny? seriously?
OS armor can be done against liu johnny and kage. and the 50/50's do jail. i didn't say they jail into each other i said they jail into other strings and no the overhead doesn't jail into only standing 1 you probably mean 1,2,1.
you mean max 2 plus 50/50's for max dmg you can still do a third 50/50 you just have to choose between comboing and being plus.
and this is all talking about after she gets in how does she open you up. getting in is a huge problem she has. again i'm talking about how good she is after she gets in.

lastly everything that low profiles her knee low profiles alien's f1. that's like maybe a third of the cast not half definitely not half

agree on 2nd part. the first part is kinda bullshit. low profile pokes like cage's d4 are annoying to deal with but that's like the 1st things every jacqui player learns to play around.

i feel like you guys might now have seen my earier posts so i'll say it again. i don't think she's high tier, she's mid tier. what stops her from being high tier is the "15 characters" that don't let her establish her gameplan. she has too many problems to be top tier including getting in so again all i'm referring to is how good she is when she does get in
block the 50/50 block the follow up string then block the s1 string. she's basically built a bar and done 8% dmg guaranteed and who's doing better than this? liu kang? kano? johnny? seriously?
OS armor can be done against liu johnny and kage. and the 50/50's do jail. i didn't say they jail into each other i said they jail into other strings and no the overhead doesn't jail into only standing 1 you probably mean 1,2,1.
you mean max 2 plus 50/50's for max dmg you can still do a third 50/50 you just have to choose between comboing and being plus.
and this is all talking about after she gets in how does she open you up. getting in is a huge problem she has. again i'm talking about how good she is after she gets in.

lastly everything that low profiles her knee low profiles alien's f1. that's like maybe a third of the cast not half definitely not half

agree on 2nd part. the first part is kinda bullshit. low profile pokes like cage's d4 are annoying to deal with but that's like the 1st things every jacqui player learns to play around.

i feel like you guys might now have seen my earier posts so i'll say it again. i don't think she's high tier, she's mid tier. what stops her from being high tier is the "15 characters" that don't let her establish her gameplan. she has too many problems to be top tier including getting in so again all i'm referring to is how good she is when she does get in
Pretty sure if you try to option select Liu Kangs armor, he could just parry it. On top of that, his pressure isn't over after a knockdown. He gets free oki pressure with b12. Anyone with safe armor escapes jacqui free.
 

OfficialYungmonster

Run and Tell ya mama bout that
see you're not downplaying, you're just not informed. this is a conversation i can actualy have.

high tech's low and overhead combo starter's both jail into mutliple strings meaning everytime she does a 50/50's she stays plus till she runs out of stamina at which point she can end it in df2 which is plus 2 on block that's at least 3 50/50's and she's still plus.

lu kang does about 9% chip meterlessly. 12% with the buff. about 16% 1 bar and 18% 2 bars. the catch is he's literally never safe. if you make the right read you can punish EVERYTIME it's all about reading it. and meterlessly he only builds half a bar.

on the other hand
if you block jacqui's 50/50 and she can jail into 2 reps of 1,2,1 ending in df2 doing a total of 8% chip and building OVER 3/4 of a bar. doing about 4% more chip with each guantlet charge and if you actually get hit in the corner she's doing upwards of 40% meterless
You are theone that's uninformed. She can't jail her 50/50s into another 50/50. You still didn't answer what high tech players you've fought at a high level. You just said that high tech was mid tier. Than you say high tech kills you when she gets in once. If a character kills you when she gets in once then you have no right to think that character is mid tier.I feel like you just want an argument and you don't even know what your talkin about. Did you really think she had plus on block 50/50s that jail in to another 50/50? All you can do is jail with s1
 

omooba

fear the moobs
High Tech and Killer Frost can win the award for the worst character design in the history of fighting game.
well that's your opinion. personally love both characters. really fun to play. i don't mind doing the work no matter how hard if the reward is stupid
Jason
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Quan
Kitana
Sonya
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Scorpion
Takeda
Sub
Cassie
Mileena
D'Vorah
Kano
Johnny
Liu
Kotal
Reptile
Triborg
Shinnok


How many is half the cast again?
dude what moves do you think they have that low profiles 4. because it doesn't
You are theone that's uninformed. She can't jail her 50/50s into another 50/50. You still didn't answer what high tech players you've fought at a high level. You just said that high tech was mid tier. Than you say high tech kills you when she gets in once. If a character kills you when she gets in once then you have no right to think that character is mid tier.I feel like you just want an argument and you don't even know what your talkin about. Did you really think she had plus on block 50/50s that jail in to another 50/50? All you can do is jail with s1
well for one i've fought you and my roommate unless when you say high level you mean top players in which case no and that shouldn't have any effect on how good she is. AND I NEVER SAID SHE JAILS 50/50'S INTO 50/50'S and you can jail into more than s1 wtf dude
 

OfficialYungmonster

Run and Tell ya mama bout that
well that's your opinion. personally love both characters. really fun to play. i don't mind doing the work no matter how hard if the reward is stupid

dude what moves do you think they have that low profiles 4. because it doesn't

well for one i've fought you and my roommate unless when you say high level you mean top players in which case no and that shouldn't have any effect on how good she is. AND I NEVER SAID SHE JAILS 50/50'S INTO 50/50'S and you can jail into more than s1 wtf dude
My point exactly. You have fought one high level high tech player so you really can't say what she does and what she doesn't do. You know from what you've heard, not from what you've seen, and yes she can jail her s1 and s4 nothing else.
 

omooba

fear the moobs
Pretty sure if you try to option select Liu Kangs armor, he could just parry it. On top of that, his pressure isn't over after a knockdown. He gets free oki pressure with b12. Anyone with safe armor escapes jacqui free.
okay stop saying liu kang and say what variation. with flame fist i said it's all about the mind games he get's absolutely nothing guaranteed where jacqui does. if you're talking about DF b12 absolutely does not equal free pressure not even in flame fist that shit gets punish but every character than delay wake ups. this is day 1 shit. no such thing as free pressure on oki in mkx
 

Pan1cMode

AUS FGC represent!
well that's your opinion. personally love both characters. really fun to play. i don't mind doing the work no matter how hard if the reward is stupid

dude what moves do you think they have that low profiles 4. because it doesn't

well for one i've fought you and my roommate unless when you say high level you mean top players in which case no and that shouldn't have any effect on how good she is. AND I NEVER SAID SHE JAILS 50/50'S INTO 50/50'S and you can jail into more than s1 wtf dude
When they crouch block df2 low, they are pushed back further. This allows anyone with a fast poke that makes them crouch down to low profile the mid since it's the tip hitbox of s4 that interacts with the opponent, not beginning of the knee. Go into training mode and test it out if you don't believe me.

I'm sick of everyone claiming shit about Jacqui when they've honestly never gone to the lab to even remotely try and find strategies around it.
 

omooba

fear the moobs
My point exactly. You have fought one high level high tech player so you really can't say what she does and what she doesn't do. You know from what you've heard, not from what you've seen, and yes she can jail her s1 and s4 nothing else.
you really can't see the problem with this statement? i have only fought 1 high level player so i don't know how good the character is..... bruh
soooo you also accept that you brought in wrong information cool
 

omooba

fear the moobs
When they crouch block df2 low, they are pushed back further. This allows anyone with a fast poke that makes them crouch down to low profile the mid since it's the tip hitbox of s4 that interacts with the opponent, not beginning of the knee. Go into training mode and test it out if you don't believe me.

I'm sick of everyone claiming shit about Jacqui when they've honestly never gone to the lab to even remotely try and find strategies around it.
not every character. and to get to this point. she's built a bar and you've blocked a 50/50 best case scenario. worst case you had no bar to OS and blocked 2-3 50/50's. like do you realize we're arguing on her advantage after she's done hella shit than shouldn't even be safe
 

Pan1cMode

AUS FGC represent!
not every character. and to get to this point. she's built a bar and you've blocked a 50/50 best case scenario. worst case you had no bar to OS and blocked 2-3 50/50's. like do you realize we're arguing on her advantage after she's done hella shit than shouldn't even be safe
The hell is she getting another 50/50 attempt from?

You block one she's +2. Low profile her mid ffs.

I just listed 2/3 of the cast, not to mention several others that I haven't tested/needed to test yet.

In fact, I think the only characters who legit have to hold her pressure are Ferra/Torr and Gorro.

pretty sure that's not even true either
It is.

Go to the lab and try it out.

Prove me wrong.

Maaaaybe b2 can jail into s2/s3? But even then that's iffy.
 

omooba

fear the moobs
The hell is she getting another 50/50 attempt from?

You block one she's +2. Low profile her mid ffs.

I just listed 2/3 of the cast, not to mention several others that I haven't tested/needed to test yet.

In fact, I think the only characters who legit have to hold her pressure are Ferra/Torr and Gorro.


It is.

Go to the lab and try it out.

Prove me wrong.

Maaaaybe b2 can jail into s2/s3? But even then that's iffy.
b2 rc b2/b33 that's a plus 50/50 into a plus 50/50 she's waaaay more than plus 2 just cus it's not guaranteed doesn't mean it's not extremely viable