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just_2swift

MK1 is the best MK period.
Idk why hat trick Lao isn't in everyone lists of bottom 5.

In this game the top 10 is the new top 5 imo. So many versions of each character such as A list cage not even on nobody's top 5 and he ain't no joke by any means. This alone strengthens this point.
 

Airvidal

"You play weird" It's called being unorthodox ;)
What is Cyber Sub Zero doing that you are losing to?




Well said. Posts like that are basically just spreading info around that they haven't labbed at all. I don't think people should speak on something they haven't tested
I'm okay with him being as dumb as he is, but I'm not okay with his dive kick and slide having such quick recovery, it's beyond dumb. That needs to get nerfed IMO. Aside from that his dive kick is unpunishable at times. He has a lot other dumb stuff but like I said, he needs some dirt so I'm fine with the rest.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Top 5
Alien- Acidic
Mileena- Piercing
Sonya-Demolitions
Jason- Unstoppable
Kano- Cutthroat

Honorable Mentions
Takeda-Shirai Ryu
Johnny Cage- A-List
Alien- Tarkatan

Bottom 5
Sub-Zero- Unbreakable
Raiden- Master of Storms
Johnny Cage- Fisticuffs
Scorpion- Inferno
Bo' Rai Cho- Drunken Master

Dishonorable Mentions
Kung Jin- Ancestral
Kenshi- Balanced
Triborg- Cyber Sub-Zero
 

Skedar70

Noob
Curious what makes you say this?
I think he is still really good even after the nerfs. He has the best zoning in the game safe 50/50 and the overhead is fast and has a lot of reach. He still builds good meter and has good damage. His back dash and instant NJP are great and work like wake ups at times. Look at Michelangelo play, its still really hard for the top players to get in on him and he is still placing at tournaments.
 

MasterBelmont

Aspiring competitive MKXL/MVCI player from Oregon
What?

Do you have some secret tech or somethin?
I just think his skyrocketing damage with offense totem and Blood Offering, Mace Parry working on just about everything, and rendering the opponent's corner damage pathetic with MB God Ray and defense totem are too good. I see you have his icon under your avatar, though, so you obviously know a lot more about him than me. What makes him not top 5?
 

Santa_Destroyer

Blood n' cigs' PSN: Santa_Destroyer
I just think his skyrocketing damage with offense totem and Blood Offering, Mace Parry working on just about everything, and rendering the opponent's corner damage pathetic with MB God Ray and defense totem are too good. I see you have his icon under your avatar, though, so you obviously know a lot more about him than me. What makes him not top 5?
Sure I'm happy to discuss. :)

I can see why you'd think that on the surface.

He has aruguably some of the best buttons in the game, b1 (-2 block) Insane reach d4, although punishable (-10)
The totems if used properly give him either double health and meter build, life and meter back, or arguably the best dmg in the game with 80% + practical combos.
Forward advancing mids which combo for massive dmg meterless.
AMAZING Micheal Jordan jip1.
Solid AA with b1, 1 or d3 which lead to about 35% (I forgot) with totem setup.
Frametraps on 114 air grab or totem.
Expizza eats other projectiles now (thx paulo).
Parry, which almost parries everything (even tremor shockwave I think lol)

If you know the gap in your opponents strings you can always parry (cassies b12 gap 3) or ex parry (scorpions 21 gap 4) for either a simple uppercut for I think 21% or do a launcher if u know the opponents whiff recovery is ass so f1b2 or f2.

His problems are no mixups as combo starters cuz if u just block low you'll never get opened up.
As far as I'm aware he has 3 OH.
With only 1 being comboable b12*2*
but it's the 3rd hit so easily reactable.

A knockdown with an OH b2 (also lowcrush) or 21*2* grants him a free totem, which is nice.
212 also gives him a parry bait setup or a d4 check since 212 is only -1 on block.

Also b14ex pizza is all smoke and mirrors, try it out in practice, most characters can just jab out and full combo punish him or poke.

He is deffo a very strong character who can turtle up and heal or take away half your health if you slip once in the neutral (and don't have a breaker lol)
I just think in high lvl tournament play he struggles.

tl;dr
Imo he's more of an whiff punisher/frametrap punisher than an mixup machine like Sonya or alien.
I'd say he's high mid tier or low high tier.

Btw tremor vs is bloodgod is the most fun MU to me like two titans punching each other.

Edit: NO WAKEUP
 
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RoboCop

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I'll put Pumped Up in the bottom 5 variations. There are definitely worse variations in the game, but compared to Wrestler, there is literally no reason to use Pumped Up after the nerf. The only reason previously was the insane damage you could put out with his unblockable OTG setups. They took those away, so now all you're left with is a watered down Wrestler without the tick throws. Any strengths this variation has now are purely related to Jax's general tools, and not to the variation itself.
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
I'll put Pumped Up in the bottom 5 variations. There are definitely worse variations in the game, but compared to Wrestler, there is literally no reason to use Pumped Up after the nerf. The only reason previously was the insane damage you could put out with his unblockable OTG setups. They took those away, so now all you're left with is a watered down Wrestler without the tick throws. Any strengths this variation has now are purely related to Jax's general tools, and not to the variation itself.
Pumped up is good man, impossible to put in bottom 5. He is probably worse than his other two variations, yeah, but there are still reasons to pick him in some situations: he still has the best gotcha/exgotcha grab (22% unbreakable dmg is pretty good) and the best ground pound, and (correct me if I'm wrong) he still has the best damage potential specially in the corner.
 
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Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Way too many of you are calling Drunken Master a bottom 5 variation. That's silly considering it's the best of BRC's variations.

Bartitsu is the worst of his variations. Get it right.
Thank you. Bartitsu is abysmal. It's so fucking shit all he has is mixups.
 

TheGangstaFace

Psn, Xbox, Twitter: TheGangstaFace
Top 5:

1. D'vorah
2. Acidic
3. Piercing
4. Imposter
5. Demolition

( Honorable Mentions: War God / Shirai Ryu / A-List )

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Bottom 5:

1. Metallic
2. Warrior
3. Master of Storm
4. Special Forces
5. Butcher

( Dishonorable Mentions :DOGE : Pretty Lady / Cybernatic / Dualist @FOREVER EL1TE )

JK ... Dualist is B tier at most
War God? No lol
 

TheGangstaFace

Psn, Xbox, Twitter: TheGangstaFace
I really don't think takeda is top 5 I'm not even sure cut throat Kano is top 5 but they both have been mentioned too many times to make one wonder why.
Imo they can't be top 5 because they are behind these characters-

Alien (tarkaten),
maleena (piercing)
shinnok (imposter)
d'vorah (swarm queen)
reptile (nimble- who in my opinion is the most versatile character in the cast and seems to be underneath the radar).
Nimble............I agree he's underrated but top 5........
 

x TeeJay o

Canary Cry Gapless Pressure
Top NPO: Demo, Tarkatan, Acidic, Swarm Queen, Ronin
Bottom NPO: Unbreakable, Hat Trick, Drunken Master, Cryomancer, Cyrax

Come at me
So mileena isn't top 5? you think those 5 characters are better than mileena ? What am I missing? Doesn't she beat tarkatan as well?
 

TheGangstaFace

Psn, Xbox, Twitter: TheGangstaFace
Sure I'm happy to discuss. :)

I can see why you'd think that on the surface.

He has aruguably some of the best buttons in the game, b1 (-2 block) Insane reach d4, although punishable (-10)
The totems if used properly give him either double health and meter build, life and meter back, or arguably the best dmg in the game with 80% + practical combos.
Forward advancing mids which combo for massive dmg meterless.
AMAZING Micheal Jordan jip1.
Solid AA with b1, 1 or d3 which lead to about 35% (I forgot) with totem setup.
Frametraps on 114 air grab or totem.
Expizza eats other projectiles now (thx paulo).
Parry, which almost parries everything (even tremor shockwave I think lol)

If you know the gap in your opponents strings you can always parry (cassies b12 gap 3) or ex parry (scorpions 21 gap 4) for either a simple uppercut for I think 21% or do a launcher if u know the opponents whiff recovery is ass so f1b2 or f2.

His problems are no mixups as combo starters cuz if u just block low you'll never get opened up.
As far as I'm aware he has 3 OH.
With only 1 being comboable b12*2*
but it's the 3rd hit so easily reactable.

A knockdown with an OH b2 (also lowcrush) or 21*2* grants him a free totem, which is nice.
212 also gives him a parry bait setup or a d4 check since 212 is only -1 on block.

Also b14ex pizza is all smoke and mirrors, try it out in practice, most characters can just jab out and full combo punish him or poke.

He is deffo a very strong character who can turtle up and heal or take away half your health if you slip once in the neutral (and don't have a breaker lol)
I just think in high lvl tournament play he struggles.

tl;dr
Imo he's more of an whiff punisher/frametrap punisher than an mixup machine like Sonya or alien.
I'd say he's high mid tier or low high tier.

Btw tremor vs is bloodgod is the most fun MU to me like two titans punching each other.
You forgot to mention no wakeup
 

TheGangstaFace

Psn, Xbox, Twitter: TheGangstaFace
I'll put Pumped Up in the bottom 5 variations. There are definitely worse variations in the game, but compared to Wrestler, there is literally no reason to use Pumped Up after the nerf. The only reason previously was the insane damage you could put out with his unblockable OTG setups. They took those away, so now all you're left with is a watered down Wrestler without the tick throws. Any strengths this variation has now are purely related to Jax's general tools, and not to the variation itself.
Yes he's useless but variationless jax is still better than the bottom 5 variations