Question - Bo' Rai Cho ...So Ex Monkey Flips Whiff on crouching Opponents at Random...?

While playing on stream my chat and myself noticed something strange happen while playing a match vs Mileena a few days ago...so here's what happened:


And here's how I felt about it afterwords:



Thank you all for you time...oh and yes Discuss!

Either it's another obnoxious example of Mileena's female hitbox being what it is, or something changed about the active frames of your attack given the situation.

BRC feels so tacked on sometimes. So many fucking problems.

Yeah looks like female hitbox issues.

edit: Hang on, is it only the ex version? Because I don't know that I've ever seen it happen when I've been playing, I don't use the ex version that often and when I do it's to counter a meaty so I'm not really sure. If it is the ex version only that's odd.

I'll do some testing today.

This happens 2 me a lot vs Kung Lao and devorah also can some one make a thread about how f1 isn't a true 8 frame mid

pretty flocko said:

This happens 2 me a lot vs Kung Lao and devorah also can some one make a thread about how f1 isn't a true 8 frame mid

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Yup, Mileena can meterless roll right under f1.

myri said:

Yup, Mileena can meterless roll right under f1.

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Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking

Ok so testing on crouch blocking females has revealed this so far:

Flips will whiff on Mileena if the spacing is correct, with both ex and normal versions
Flips don't appear to whiff on Sonya in either version
Flips will whiff on D'vorah unless you're point blank when you use them

edit: more testing

The first hit of f1 will whiff on block crouching Mileena and D'vorah unless you move back very slightly, if you're as close as you can be the first hit will whiff. (The first hit will always hit Sonya)

edit 2: so more testing

f1 first hit whiffs when touching your opponent if they are crouch blocking

D'vorah - Yes
Mileena - Yes
Jacqui - Yes
Sonya - No
Cassie - No
Kitana - No
Tanya - No

Overhead flips whiff on crouch blocking opponent if the spacing is correct

Mileena - Yes
D'vorah - Yes
Jacqui - Yes
Sonya - No
Cassie - No
Kitana - No
Tanya - No

Wait is that move an OH?
We've been discovered a whole bunch of OH whiffing on crouching opponents. NRS please!!!!!!!!!!!

Well at least it's only the three most annoying female characters in the game that it happens too...

NRS should hang themselves for bullshit like this

It can happen when you space it back but it can also happen in block strings. I've had it happen on D'vorah, Mileena and Kung Lao. Here's another egregious in match example. (Towards the end.)

Marinjuana said:

It can happen when you space it back but it can also happen in block strings. I've had it happen on D'vorah, Mileena and Kung Lao. Here's another egregious in match example. (Towards the end.)

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Dafuq

I've played this particular matchup a bunch (Me as Lao vs a mate who also plays Bo) and I have never seen that happen.

Marinjuana said:

It can happen when you space it back but it can also happen in block strings. I've had it happen on D'vorah, Mileena and Kung Lao. Here's another egregious in match example. (Towards the end.)

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Omfg this character

Marinjuana said:

It can happen when you space it back but it can also happen in block strings. I've had it happen on D'vorah, Mileena and Kung Lao. Here's another egregious in match example. (Towards the end.)

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I am disgusted

What the...

the hurtbox of mileena is going inbetween your legs

Marinjuana said:

It can happen when you space it back but it can also happen in block strings. I've had it happen on D'vorah, Mileena and Kung Lao. Here's another egregious in match example. (Towards the end.)

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In this case, you were glued to KL and the attack was going behind KL.

Lol, I played a LOT of matches as Bo (against Kung Lao, Mileena etc, except D'Vorah) and I've never met this problem.. May be 2-3 times in practice..

So, if you ask:
Is Bo Rai Cho offically the Worst Character in MKXL?
I'll answer:
HELL NO

Seriously, @pretty flocko took a 17th place in EVO with Bo, so it means smth, isn't it?

Instead of asking Ed Boon, how about you ask Paulo Garcia? We troll NRS every day to make them do things right.

As a Sub Zero main, I have never felt upon this problem. I played against a mate who's a bit of a beginner with Bo Rai' Cho.

And this reaction of your friend (or was you?) is what I did with every problem I encounter. I feel like "WTF? Paulo?" in every problem I encounter.

Bo Rai Cho is a plethora of hitbox wonkiness/issues. I believe that to be the main reason his toolkit looks great on paper but works less so in action.

YoloRoll1stHit said:

Wait is that move an OH?

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Yep...it sure is..lolz

myri said:

Ok so testing on crouch blocking females has revealed this so far:

Overhead flips whiff on crouch blocking opponent if the spacing is correct

Mileena - Yes
D'vorah - Yes
Jacqui - Yes
Sonya - No
Cassie - No
Kitana - No
Tanya - No

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Excellent work! So technically isnt this a pretty fairly big issue...? I mean if that Mileena (or any of the opponent characters you listed above) had whiff reactions down he could have taken advantage of the situation, low profile rolled or EX cartwheeled and won the match based off of...a OH that should be hitting crouching opponents, right?

..isnt this a bad thing for Bo/in general lol?

Monkey flip mix ups on fire!

That's messed up lol