General/Other - Aftershock Aftershock Variation Discussion Thread

And seriously did OH rock really make the character not viable anymore that is just stupid, it's still The same character and IMO the OTG was more important. There were already so many ways of countering the OH rock, there are other ways to punish jumps like the OH rock did and in the corner it was just to lock down your opponent. In my eyes it was just a way to have corner pressure where they couldn't armour out of. Everyone's gotta stop thinking OH rock killed the character, having no mids is more important than that. Using OH rock mid block string was never even a thing, that was just something noobs with tremor would use, like I did when I first played him and eventually got my ass handed to me by inflames because it wasn't a real thing. It's a zoning tool that BF 4 takes place of now much better beside catching people and giving u a combo which would rarely happen if he player was careful. Your just gonna have to deal with no OH rock in th corner
Mystic ermac really is the character that does his job better if u wanna add examples just saying. I'm talking about aftershock of course and I'm talking about spacing
And damn it I was reading the earlier posts about DJT being the face of tremor but he didn't even use the character the way it was supposed to be played. Crystalline yes aftershock no. Really no point In using tremor if your gonna just be in their face all the time use a different character if your gonna do that.

Since there is probably gonna be another patch what do u guys think they'll give tremor. I just think they are gonna give him a better poke I'd be happy with that

Fuck a poke we need a mid I hate being a poking pinata to these people who don't respect shit and yeah we do not need the rock drop shit we just need a mid and tremor is back.

Pokref said:

Fuck a poke we need a mid I hate being a poking pinata to these people who don't respect shit and yeah we do not need the rock drop shit we just need a mid and tremor is back.

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Y agree with u but that's asking too much the character would be too good they should think out of the box with something unique that would give each variation something good regardless we need a better poke tho. So true no one respects tremor

I ain't to keen about pokes as of now if they only give us a poke and we keep the ugly high they will block our poke then low crush our high I don't mind if they put f121 as a 11 frame mid and minus -2 on block. Tremors mid will make him viable trust me, if we only get a poke we be asking for another buff. Another thing is his zoning absolutely suck if they can speed that shit up that will be dope as well and make bf2 a mid.

Pokref said:

I ain't to keen about pokes as of now if they only give us a poke and we keep the ugly high they will block our poke then low crush our high I don't mind if they put f121 as a 11 frame mid and minus -2 on block. Tremors mid will make him viable trust me, if we only get a poke we be asking for another buff. Another thing is his zoning absolutely suck if they can speed that shit up that will be dope as well and make bf2 a mid.

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No his zoning doesn't suck, yes bf2 should be a mid and regardless we need a better poke 9 frame with the kind of frame advantage we have is terrible. Aftershock tremor is viable against characters he can zone out and characters who don't have fast ass pokes. 11 frames would be terrible, there would be alot of punishes he couldnt get anymore. if u ask me give f1 more range

So I started to use earth shake more and it's actually really good. Mid screen after a bnb with a db1 ender I use earth shake and it applys pressure to you opponent even tho it's not that bad for them they jus have to be patient and block the low but there is really no point in not using it if your are playing aftershock. In the corner I always use ex earthshake now because if u do it correctly after every combo with the db1 ended u have enough time to use ex earth shake and d1 to stuff any counter poke or wake up. After that u have options to do a guaranteed mixup after the d1 on hit. You can also do d4 into db1d. And if u think they are going to block you can go for f121 db2d breaks armor and hard to block. 21d4u4 shatter cancel into the same string which gives guaranteed chip. There's a lot of options once you get you opponent to start respecting the earth shake. These are a couple. After a d1 on hi gaurenteed 12 db2d which I hunk breaks arm our and is hard to block. There is also 123 db1d which if they get hit by the db1d is a 41% combo it's safe and actually leaves you plus by a little. There's a lot of options honestly. There's a misconception that his move is really bad but it's truly not. It's an amazing tool for aftershock that u should be using if u, u this variation
Now once you get people to respect it, you can finally use the day 1 tech from Tremors OG days. The ex dd1 into grab. Everybody thought this was completely useless because I can't happen in a real match but it can once u get people to respect your d1 cuz it leads to a mix up.

Before tremor lost his rock drop all Variations had an option to lock down their opponent. Crystalline has its armor tho to replace it and aftershock has earth shake which I just explained why it is very good. Metallic doesn't have anything besides the stand which is a huge problem of him making it his worse variation. Tremor has no offense because of the lack of a mid and a terrible poke. Plus no mix ups. (unless u really inforced 212 where u start to block high a lot) just giving my reasoning y metallic needs help

Btw anyone think aftershock should get an increase in range for db1 like mystic ermac. I can only dream

So I've been testing out earth shake set ups in the corner and I found something really good. Earlier I mentioned that if u get people to respect your earth shake In the corner u can grab them for the day 1 tech. An option for people to get out of the earth shake set ups is to poke or wake up though. If u read this, u can poke them and go for a mix up. Now I was just screwing around but after the poke on hit u can delay your grab for a tiny portion of time and get it to combo (AS day 1 combo XD time). So now after a poke on hit they have to guess grab or f1. Or other mix ups.

Tremor is pure bad bruh if he was just a lil viable we would of seen a tremor in evo he is bottom 10 even kenshi was played in evo tremor needs some real damn help anyone who struggles again crystalline doesn't know the mu poking will stop the crystal and another poke will make you hold block.

Pokref said:

Tremor is pure bad bruh if he was just a lil viable we would of seen a tremor in evo he is bottom 10 even kenshi was played in evo tremor needs some real damn help anyone who struggles again crystalline doesn't know the mu poking will stop the crystal and another poke will make you hold block.

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He doesn't even need a mid. All he needs is a poke. And maybe something else. Maybe something else. The characters two variations do well in a good amount of MU's, I wouldn't say he's bad at all. Just because he wasn't in top 8 doesn't mean he's bad

You clearly don't know what your talking about if you think tremor doesnt need a mid. If you think a 6-7 poke is all he needs your clearly dillusional. Look kotal war gods got a gap and a good ass mids as well as pokes and can hold his own whilst someone like raided still gets poked to death just becase you have a good poke doesn't mean people are going to respect your highs. End of the day he needs a mid as well as a poke to balance it out. With a mid all his variations are viable. For example mileena has b1 as a mid and a 6 frame poke and look how good she is.

Pokref said:

You clearly don't know what your talking about if you think tremor doesnt need a mid. If you think a 6-7 poke is all he needs your clearly dillusional. Look kotal war gods got a gap and a good ass mids as well as pokes and can hold his own whilst someone like raided still gets poked to death just becase you have a good poke doesn't mean people are going to respect your highs. End of the day he needs a mid as well as a poke to balance it out. With a mid all his variations are viable. For example mileena has b1 as a mid and a 6 frame poke and look how good she is.

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Doesn't mean he needs it. If he had a good poke, everyone would have to respect his strings because it would beat everything out beside armor. That means f121 (frame trap) and his shatter cancel. Have u seen AS tremor against kotal, clearly you don't know what u are talking about because I don't even think u play the character. I'd rather have a good poke and something else that's specific to variation. Raider suffers because he is an up close character. Crystalline has ways around it and so does AS.

Pokref said:

You clearly don't know what your talking about if you think tremor doesnt need a mid. If you think a 6-7 poke is all he needs your clearly dillusional. Look kotal war gods got a gap and a good ass mids as well as pokes and can hold his own whilst someone like raided still gets poked to death just becase you have a good poke doesn't mean people are going to respect your highs. End of the day he needs a mid as well as a poke to balance it out. With a mid all his variations are viable. For example mileena has b1 as a mid and a 6 frame poke and look how good she is.

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You need to play against a good Tremor bro

You guys do know I was once considered the best tremor in eu along with danutcriminalul right. I'll play both of you guys to prove how good I am with tremor. Hmu my psn pokref. And we will see I ain't on no bs

I like having the speed of f1. I'd rather it be fast and a high than slower and a mid. You can punish more things with it and it has great range. I've been using back 2 as my mid occasionally and if I get stuck I'll back dash and reset the neutral. Don't get me wrong, he has some problems and I would love to see Tremor get a buff in anyway, but I'd rather not mess with his play style. If they sped up his D1, I imagine they would take away the fact that it jails into his f1 on hit.

ive been playing Aftershock more and doing the ia quakes.. Man its so underrated in how much it makes his neutral game better. I use pad and can get them low to the ground consistently. My only problem with tremor is his inability to get out of certain pressure because of his slow low pokes. Relying on armor is balls. F1 is great but if you guess wrong and they low poke you, its back to holding that 50/50 or cancel pressure.

See I'm actually considered the best Tremor in the universe, so make sure you listen to my opinion more then others.

Tremor is fine, don't touch him.

Mijnwop aka RZA said:

Tremor is fine, don't touch him.

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But buff him

Pokref said:

You guys do know I was once considered the best tremor in eu along with danutcriminalul right. I'll play both of you guys to prove how good I am with tremor. Hmu my psn pokref. And we will see I ain't on no bs

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Not tryna down play his tremor at all but isn't he the guy who would show up on true talents stream when he played mkx and use tremor. The guy who did strings into over head rock and pokes into overhead rock?

OmGxBdON said:

Not tryna down play his tremor at all but isn't he the guy who would show up on true talents stream when he played mkx and use tremor. The guy who did strings into over head rock and pokes into overhead rock?

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note he said best in EU. That's bout as good as it gets over there

Last night against @GAMETIME 's Cutthroat Kano I tried Aftershock. I am confused because I did better with Aftershock than with Crystalline. Could Aftershock really be better than Crystalline in some match ups?

Also, @OmGxBdON deserves lots of credit for developing Aftershock. He and @Killer Xinok are the best Tremor players I have played.

General M2Dave said:

Last night against @GAMETIME 's Cutthroat Kano I tried Aftershock. I am confused because I did better with Aftershock than with Crystalline. Could Aftershock really be better than Crystalline in some match ups?

Also, @OmGxBdON deserves lots of credit for developing Aftershock. He and @Killer Xinok are the best Tremor players I have played.

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Props for coming around and beginning your journey in to Aftershock. He is definitely better in many match-ups. And if you can learn to insta air the quakes and everything you loved about having a strong Tremor variation in Crystalline, you'll find is even better a lot of the time in AS.