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HanSolo

Noob
Top 5: tarkatan, acidic, piercing, shira ryu, hqt. For bottom 5 I have ancestral, unbreakable, balanced, necromancer, and whatever bo's worst variation is.
 

GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
I really don't think takeda is top 5 I'm not even sure cut throat Kano is top 5 but they both have been mentioned too many times to make one wonder why.
Imo they can't be top 5 because they are behind these characters-

Alien (tarkaten),
maleena (piercing)
shinnok (imposter)
d'vorah (swarm queen)
reptile (nimble- who in my opinion is the most versatile character in the cast and seems to be underneath the radar).
 

GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
Top 5: tarkatan, acidic, piercing, shira ryu, hqt. For bottom 5 I have ancestral, unbreakable, balanced, necromancer, and whatever bo's worst variation is.
Are you talking about characters you struggle with or top 5 characters in the game? Cuz HQT is far from top 5
 

Asodimazze

https://twitter.com/AlfioZacco
Top : Piercing, Demolition, Swarm Queen, Ronin, Tarkatan
Bottom : Fisticuff, Unbreakable, Lackey, Drunken Master, Ancestral
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Tbh there 20 top 5 variations. And to the guy who put GM sub in top 5, I disagree, but he is a solid character just like most of the mid tier he can be argued to be pretty much anywhere on the list but 5 is pushing it a tiny bit imo.

Also, why is cyber sub being bottom 5 so far fetched?!?! He is garbage. All he has is mobility. He can't combo off of his footsie string without meter, or his 50/50, he has terrible damage, he is unsafe, his "corner game" can be easily poked out of unless he risks his life on a yolo dive kick. All he has going for him is his mobility and unpredictability. But they only need to block a few slides or divekicks and u are dead. All this could have been avoided if they only changed ice ball recovery instead of start up. Yes his corner vortex was unfair trash and needed to go, but they ruined his midscreen game too. Iceball recovery nerf would have stopped iceball spam without running his midscreen combos. Also they can go fuck off with the divekicks and drones adding scaling to combos. Sorry about the rant but really? What is this variation lacking to not be bottom 5? Why are there so many fisticuffs in bottom 5? Variationless Johnny Cage is way better than Hat Trick Lao, Unbreakable Sub, or Bo Rai Cho, or CSZ. Right? @God Confirm @SaltShaker
 

ArmedCalf

I guess I play Necromancer now.. PSN: ArmedCalf
Top 5 no order: Piercing, Demo, Acidic, Tarkatan, A-List

Bottom 5 no order: Unbreakable, Venomous, Pyromancer, Hat Trick and Balanced
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Why are there so many fisticuffs in bottom 5? Variationless Johnny Cage is way better than Hat Trick Lao, Unbreakable Sub, or Bo Rai Cho, or CSZ. Right?
Because people are starting to see the light :)

I also think that there are ties between some contenders for bottom 5, but definitely Fisticuffs is one of those, he is complete garbage. Variationless Johnny tools are highly overrated.
 

HanSolo

Noob
If Hayatei and Scar were not in the NRS scene how many of you would still have Demo and Ronin on your top 5?
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Because people are starting to see the light :)

I also think that there are ties between some contenders for bottom 5, but definitely Fisticuffs is one of those. Variationless Johnny tools are highly overrated.
Off the top of my head, fisticuffs is easily better than: unbreakable, hat trick, Cyrax, Cyber sub, bo's 3 variafions, Balanced, cryomancer, Necromancer, ancestral, master of storms.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Tbh there 20 top 5 variations. And to the guy who put GM sub in top 5, I disagree, but he is a solid character just like most of the mid tier he can be argued to be pretty much anywhere on the list but 5 is pushing it a tiny bit imo.

Also, why is cyber sub being bottom 5 so far fetched?!?! He is garbage. All he has is mobility. He can't combo off of his footsie string without meter, or his 50/50, he has terrible damage, he is unsafe, his "corner game" can be easily poked out of unless he risks his life on a yolo dive kick. All he has going for him is his mobility and unpredictability. But they only need to block a few slides or divekicks and u are dead. All this could have been avoided if they only changed ice ball recovery instead of start up. Yes his corner vortex was unfair trash and needed to go, but they ruined his midscreen game too. Iceball recovery nerf would have stopped iceball spam without running his midscreen combos. Also they can go fuck off with the divekicks and drones adding scaling to combos. Sorry about the rant but really? What is this variation lacking to not be bottom 5? Why are there so many fisticuffs in bottom 5? Variationless Johnny Cage is way better than Hat Trick Lao, Unbreakable Sub, or Bo Rai Cho, or CSZ. Right? @God Confirm @SaltShaker
CSZ final version was the worst interpretation of balancing that I've seen my entire life on a competitive game. Paulo holds my personal title for balance dev most disconnected from the game he's in charge of.

Made the lotv Protoss changes look gentle. Makes Terrorblades nerf history look like a caressing touch. Makes banning Baton Pass look like a warm mug of hot chocolate. I can go on? Got at least a page of these
 
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ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Off the top of my head, fisticuffs is easily better than: unbreakable, hat trick, Cyrax, Cyber sub, bo's 3 variafions, Balanced, cryomancer, Necromancer, ancestral, master of storms.
Of those ones you mentioned, I think Mos and Unbreakable are definitely worse than Fisticuffs. Hat trick is in the same league, for example, both shine for having blatant whiffing issues in their main tools.The rest are really debatable.
 

GOOD DRAGON

Awesometacular
So is Reptile. smh
Lol if you think reptile doesn't deserve top 5 placement you haven't played a good reptile. He has counter zoning,
can break every armour in the game,
53% 1 bar,
Can get atleast 47% almost everytime nimble is activated.
Has a 6frame ex slide.

Lol keep downplaying him whilst reptile mains laugh
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Lol if you think reptile doesn't deserve top 5 placement you haven't played a good reptile. He has counter zoning,
can break every armour in the game,
53% 1 bar,
Can get atleast 47% almost everytime nimble is activated.
Has a 6frame ex slide.

Lol keep downplaying him whilst reptile mains laugh
I also think nimble is a secret top tier that somehow has flew under the radar.
This game has too many variations, this is probably one of the reasons. Also, almost nobody uses him. But in the rest of the game's life, I'm sure more people will see the threat nimble is.
 

Tweedy

Noob
Demolition, Acidic, Cutthroat, Tarkatan, Piercing

Relentless, Hat Trick, High Tech

I can't comment on the other variations that I think may be bottom 5, because I don't play them and they may have stuff that i'm unaware of. Basically both non-Bartitsu Bo variations and a couple others.