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ATP2014

ATP2014

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RM Indecisive said:
I did minimize the bias as much as possible. It was much worse before TTH helped actually lol
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Right, and you don't seem to play favorites. But like you mentioned yourself, it's hard to keep track of Europe, Northeast, West Coast, SouthEast, Southwest and Midwest tournaments all at the same time. Having at least one rep from each of these areas would be great in order to get everyone's opinion on how certain smaller regional tournaments should be ranked (Texas Showdown, Defend the North, Red Fight District, Northwest Majors etc).

Even if some people try to tear this down, we need some sort of reasonable ranking system so that big tournaments will have a better spread of players.
 
Indecisive

Indecisive

We'll burn you all—that is your fate!
ATP2014 said:
Right, and you don't seem to play favorites. But like you mentioned yourself, it's hard to keep track of Europe, Northeast, West Coast, SouthEast, Southwest and Midwest tournaments all at the same time. Having at least one rep from each of these areas would be great in order to get everyone's opinion on how certain smaller regional tournaments should be ranked (Texas Showdown, Defend the North, Red Fight District, Northwest Majors etc).

Even if some people try to tear this down, we need some sort of reasonable ranking system so that big tournaments will have a better spread of players.
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Thats what i would like. A mixture of different people. Its not too hard to keep track off the american events TBH. Its just the ones out site the states i have no idea about. I hope the reasoning for the ranking of some events is good for some people.

Example of me being stupid. KIT was at regional before. Then TTH basically said i was stupid and it should be a major. And he is right. lmao
 
Airvidal

Airvidal

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RM Indecisive said:
The big issue with this is when EVO is. If EVO was at the end of the year then it would work better for getting a top 32 seeding. But since its in July you can only get a certain amount of events which some people might be able to go to. If you get rid of all the points at years end then you basically get rid of points for a lot of events.
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Well, too bad for those that can't make it to the few events before EVO. You wanna get a good seed, you attend. I agree with @CrimsonShadow on not keeping records that are more than a year old.

Although, I would suggest the same method you're suggesting except the following: Let's say MKX came out this year, 2016, people earn points at the few tournaments held from release to have a good seed for EVO. Once EVO brackets are done, erase everyone's points and start fresh from this tournament results all the way to the next EVO2017. And re-do the process. That way like CrimsonShadow said, points are not older than a year, and new best players get a shot at good seeding.

Also, I hope we use different ranking tables for multiple games if we do manage to play MKX and Injustice 2 hand to hand. It wouldn't be fair for someone to get a good seed on a game they're not actually as good as others.
 
Indecisive

Indecisive

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Airvidal said:
Well, too bad for those that can't make it to the few events before EVO. You wanna get a good seed, you attend. I agree with @CrimsonShadow on not keeping records that are more than a year old.

Although, I would suggest the same method you're suggesting except the following: Let's say MKX came out this year, 2016, people earn points at the few tournaments held from release to have a good seed for EVO. Once EVO brackets are done, erase everyone's points and start fresh from this tournament results all the way to the next EVO2017. And re-do the process. That way like CrimsonShadow said, points are not older than a year, and new best players get a shot at good seeding.

Also, I hope we use different ranking tables for multiple games if we do manage to play MKX and Injustice 2 hand to hand. It wouldn't be fair for someone to get a good seed on a game they're not actually as good as others.
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The issue with that method is 2 large majors are right before EVO. CEO and Combo Breaker. We could reset the points when the tournament would roll around again year 2.
 
Airvidal

Airvidal

"You play weird" It's called being unorthodox ;)
RM Indecisive said:
The issue with that method is 2 large majors are right before EVO. CEO and Combo Breaker. We could reset the points when the tournament would roll around again year 2.
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Oh so you mean seading for those two tournies? Well, there wouldn't be seeding for the first tournament, it makes no sense if the game is new and we're trying to be fair(obviously top players wouldn't like this cause they've been spoiled so far). Then CEO which I think is the second one(I forget lol), would have seeds from the first/previous tournament.
 
Indecisive

Indecisive

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Airvidal said:
Oh so you mean seading for those two tournies? Well, there wouldn't be seeding for the first tournament, it makes no sense if the game is new and we're trying to be fair(obviously top players wouldn't like this cause they've been spoiled so far). Then CEO which I think is the second one(I forget lol), would have seeds from the first/previous tournament.
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The first few events seeding will always suck. There are a good amount of regional's before evo as well to help with the seeding. But the first event will basically have nothing. The second big major would be CEO but with a few regional's in between which will help to even out the seedings for it.

I do understand though. Using points from the last year when things have changed so much which in a year. Its something to highly consider.
 
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SewerRat

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ESL weekly tournaments that lead to the finals could give smaller quantities of points, acting as the "tie breaker.' The only part of ESL that should give maybe the same quantity of points as EVO is the ESL Finals, becauseit is Offline and has strict qualifications.
 
CrimsonShadow

CrimsonShadow

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RM Indecisive said:
The big issue with this is when EVO is. If EVO was at the end of the year then it would work better for getting a top 32 seeding. But since its in July you can only get a certain amount of events which some people might be able to go to. If you get rid of all the points at years end then you basically get rid of points for a lot of events.
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Just to clarify: I meant a full year since the points were earned, rather than the end of the calendar year.

So for example, if you earned points by placing in March 2017, those points would exist until (at most) March 2018, at which point they no longer count for seeding/ranking. Maybe even 9 months, but def. a year tops.

That way the points would more or less reflect the current state of the game, rather than half-counting majors from 1.5 years ago when everything was different.
 
Indecisive

Indecisive

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CrimsonShadow said:
Just to clarify: I meant a full year since the points were earned, rather than the end of the calendar year.

So for example, if you earned points by placing in March 2017, those points would exist until (at most) March 2018, at which point they no longer count for seeding/ranking. Maybe even 9 months, but def. a year tops.

That way the points would more or less reflect the current state of the game, rather than half-counting majors from 1.5 years ago when everything was different.
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Ah okay. That makes more sense. I just felt like giving people some points for playing well in tournaments from a year ago would of been the correct option. But i do understand the reasoning to drop the points when the events goes around a second time and hopefully a third time.
 
REO

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@RM Indecisive If you're gonna do a ranking, then you should do BOTH with current and all time. Obviously only the rankings and points for the "current" standings would be used for seeding which makes the most sense, like Crimson said. There should definitely be an "all time" ranking also so players can see all the points they accumulated through out the game's life. I think it's not that fair if someone travels to like 8 tournaments a year just to see their points disappear forever after nine months or a year. I think doing this adds more depth to your ranking and makes all parties happy, IMO. Things like hall of fames can also be made from all time rankings at the end of a game's life.
 
Indecisive

Indecisive

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YOMI REO said:
@RM Indecisive If you're gonna do a ranking, then you should do BOTH with current and all time. Obviously only the rankings and points for the "current" standings would be used for seeding which makes the most sense, like Crimson said. There should definitely be an "all time" ranking also so players can see all the points they accumulated through out the game's life. I think it's not that fair if someone travels to like 8 tournaments a year just to see their points disappear forever after nine months or a year. I think doing this adds more depth to your ranking and makes all parties happy, IMO. Things like hall of fames can also be made from all time rankings at the end of a game's life.
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ooooooooooooooooo. I like that a lot actually.
 
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