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Espio

Kokomo
Lead Moderator
Top 5 Variations
1.Tarkatan Alien
2.Acidic Alien
3.Piercing Mileena
4.A-list Johnny Cage
5. Cutthroat Kano
Honorable mention: Grand master Subzero

Bottom 5 Variations
1.Unbreakabe Subzero
2.Cyber Subzero Triborg
3.Noxious Reptile
4.Commando Kano
5.Drunken Master Bo Rai Cho
Honorable mention: Tigrar Fury Goro
Tigrar Fury is arguably Goro's best variation (at the very least on par with Dragon Fangs). I have to question how it makes it anywhere near that spot over Balanced Kenshi, various variations of Tanya, Cryomancer, MOS Raiden, Inferno Scorpion etc etc.

It's most likely due to lack of knowledge of the variation, but if Goro were to have an honorable mention variation, Kuatan Warrior is significantly worse than Dragon Fangs and Tigrar Fury, but I'd still probably be skeptical of putting that variation bottom five.

I don't understand how you have Grandmaster over the likes of several Takeda variations, Swarm Queen D'Vorah,Hollywood Cassie, Shaolin Kung Jin, etc.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
top 5 no particular order, probably somewhat like this tho

Swam Queen
Cutthroat
Ronin
Demolition
Spectral



Bottom 5 in order (in order of best first, very worst last)


Bo's weakest variation, fuck knows which one it is
Metallic
Kobu Jutsu
Inferno
Cyber Sub
 

AGRxShiroKuma

The White Bear
Tigrar Fury is arguably Goro's best variation (at the very least on par with Dragon Fangs). I have to question how it makes it anywhere near that spot over Balanced Kenshi, various variations of Tanya, Cryomancer, MOS Raiden, Inferno Scorpion etc etc.

It's most likely due to lack of knowledge of the variation, but if Goro were to have an honorable mention variation, Kuatan Warrior is significantly worse than Dragon Fangs and Tigrar Fury, but I'd still probably be skeptical of putting that variation bottom five.

I don't understand how you have Grandmaster over the likes of several Takeda variations, Swarm Queen D'Vorah,Hollywood Cassie, Shaolin Kung Jin, etc.
Lack of knowledge for the variation? I use all of his variations but I personally think that is his weakest one. This is just my personal opinion on things.
 

Espio

Kokomo
Lead Moderator
Lack of knowledge for the variation? I use all of his variations but I personally think that is his weakest one. This is just my personal opinion on things.
Why though? That explains absolutely nothing.

There's also no real concrete explanation on that curious Sub-Zero placement either. Why is he borderline top five?
 

x-azeez

Bullet with your name on it
Top 5:

1. D'vorah
2. Acidic
3. Piercing
4. Imposter
5. Demolition

( Honorable Mentions: War God / Shirai Ryu / A-List )

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Bottom 5:

1. Metallic
2. Warrior
3. Master of Storm
4. Special Forces
5. Butcher

( Dishonorable Mentions :DOGE : Pretty Lady / Cybernatic / Dualist @FOREVER EL1TE )

JK ... Dualist is B tier at most
 
Kuatan warrior and Dragon fangs have just been better variations for me than Tigrar fury. I don't think it's bad just not as good as the other 2. I'm sure there's more to that variation than I currently know.
I always thought tigrar fury is Goro's best variation. Also I doubt GM subzero is near top 5, just the two alien,takeda,kung Jin variations seem stronger to me, and that's just 3 characters. But I know everyone has a different opinion, it's all good.
 

errormacro7

Official Sonya simp
Top 5:

1. D'vorah
2. Acidic
3. Piercing
4. Imposter
5. Demolition

( Honorable Mentions: War God / Shirai Ryu / A-List )

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Bottom 5:

1. Metallic
2. Warrior
3. Master of Storm
4. Special Forces
5. Butcher

( Dishonorable Mentions :DOGE : Pretty Lady / Cybernatic / Dualist @FOREVER EL1TE )
Duuuuude, stooooop. Special Forces NOWHERE NEAR bottom 5. @colby4898
 

AGRxShiroKuma

The White Bear
There's also no real concrete explanation on that curious Sub-Zero placement either. Why is he borderline top five?[/QUOTE]
I'm really not here to debate I just put my 2 cents in and went back to work. If you don't agree so be it. When I get off work I will check out your thread about Tigrar fury and see what's going on with all of that and maybe learn something new.
 

Espio

Kokomo
Lead Moderator
Kuatan warrior and Dragon fangs have just been better variations for me than Tigrar fury. I don't think it's bad just not as good as the other 2. I'm sure there's more to that variation than I currently know.
That's my top 5 anf bottom 5 list.

I'm really not here to debate I just put my 2 cents in and went back to work. If you don't agree so be it. When I get off work I will check out your thread about Tigrar fury and see what's going on with all of that and maybe learn something new.

I mean if you're not informed about something, what's the point of even listing it? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you listed it as such like you knew already and if you don't, then that's just nonsensical.


I don't know who the bottom five is, but I can tell you if I listed any characters and anybody had a question for me, I'd be able to answer it if I posted my views and they were challenged. If you're not here to discuss your views, what is the point of sharing them at all?
 
There's also no real concrete explanation on that curious Sub-Zero placement either. Why is he borderline top five?
I'm really not here to debate I just put my 2 cents in and went back to work. If you don't agree so be it. When I get off work I will check out your thread about Tigrar fury and see what's going on with all of that and maybe learn something new.[/QUOTE]

Looks to me that his corner pressure is why you put him that high, I'm sure a lot might agree with you because in the corner he can be really good.
 

AGRxShiroKuma

The White Bear
I'm really not here to debate I just put my 2 cents in and went back to work. If you don't agree so be it. When I get off work I will check out your thread about Tigrar fury and see what's going on with all of that and maybe learn something new.
Looks to me that his corner pressure is why you put him that high, I'm sure a lot might agree with you because in the corner he can be really good.[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's why I put him in my Honorable mention because I have had nonstop success with grandmaster. He's great at what I like in a character. Getting them into the corner then keeping them there. He does well against the majority of the cast but there are still some issues I have with female hitboxes I need to work on and some characters just get through his clone. He's my personal Honorable mention.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
All these people saying Cyber Sub lol Hilarious!! Just nerf him again please, let's make it true lol
What is Cyber Sub Zero doing that you are losing to?



I mean if you're not informed about something, what's the point of even listing it? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you listed it as such like you knew already and if you don't, then that's just nonsensical.


I don't know who the bottom five is, but I can tell you if I listed any characters and anybody had a question for me, I'd be able to answer it if I posted my views and they were challenged. If you're not here to discuss your views, what is the point of sharing them at all?
Well said. Posts like that are basically just spreading info around that they haven't labbed at all. I don't think people should speak on something they haven't tested
 

AGRxShiroKuma

The White Bear
I don't know who the bottom five is, but I can tell you if I listed any characters and anybody had a question for me, I'd be able to answer it if I posted my discuss your views, what is the point of sharing them at all?[/QUOTE]
What is Cyber Sub Zero doing that you are losing to?




Well said. Posts like that are basically just spreading info around that they haven't labbed at all. I don't think people should speak on something they haven't tested
I did say why I thought grand master was an Honorable mention. Tigrar fury is just my opinion. If I said something I shouldn't have I apologize but if you guys are willing to explain things without belittling me I'm all ears. I play this game mainly by myself since nobody plays this game that serious in little athens tennessee.
 
What is Cyber Sub Zero doing that you are losing to?




Well said. Posts like that are basically just spreading info around that they haven't labbed at all. I don't think people should speak on something they haven't tested
Well to be fair he did explain in a later post his reasoning. Although I do not agree with him in his opinion, we all know subzero's corner game is one of the best. Like I said before, it's all good guys.
 

Espio

Kokomo
Lead Moderator
I did say why I thought grand master was an Honorable mention. Tigrar fury is just my opinion. If I said something I shouldn't have I apologize but if you guys are willing to explain things without belittling me I'm all ears. I play this game mainly by myself since nobody plays this game that serious in little athens tennessee.
Nobody is belittling you though. The point is, if you don't know something, why are you weighing in on it like you do? I don't know anything about Bo Rai Cho or a lot of other variations so you'll never see me acting like I know what's up with them. There's nothing wrong with not knowing, but don't promote information that is not based on knowledge.

You keep saying it's your opinion, but based on what information? I can't discuss or even refute your views if you cannot explain them in any legitimate way. You say you use all three variations of Goro, but if you use them to a high enough level of competency, why can you not explain why Tigrar Fury is a candidate for bottom five when other players like myself, REO etc list Tigrar Fury as A tier (i.e. nowhere near bottom five variations).

Tigrar Fury is a well rounded variation that has a strong up close presence with a lot of frame traps, but also has a viable counter zoning, full screen presence as well alongside its meterless plus frames off of flame breath that compliment his overall tool kit very well. It's just very versatile, which is why it is highly regarded generally and is consider to be on par with or potentially superior to Dragon Fangs (both could easily get the nod for best variation). Kuatan Warrior lost his ground pound OTG's, it is the only variation that is notably worse than the other two because that was one of the few things it brought to the table. I don't even think Kutan is bottom five, but if any variation is, it would be that one over Tigrar Fury.



The reasoning for Sub-Zero having a good corner game doesn't tell me why he's a top six candidate especially considering Goro has a great corner game, nobody considers him top five or six for that reason exclusively because that's very vague. Not to mention, most Sub-Zero players would probably assert that his match up chart is far too polarized to be a top five or six character due to characters like D'Vorah, Mileena and others giving him serious trouble or at the very least beating him.
 
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Thanks for being understanding.
No need to thank me bro, we are all entitled to our opinions. If you think subs corner game is enough to get him an honorable mention then you have every right to think that. If you look at all the posts here you'll see disagreement with a lot of other opinions, still you can get an idea of the more agreed upon tiers but still there's disagreement.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Well to be fair he did explain in a later post his reasoning. Although I do not agree with him in his opinion, we all know subzero's corner game is one of the best. Like I said before, it's all good guys.
that is not an explanation at all of how he earns his position