Why does Sonic Fox win everything?

In all honesty, he is winning a ton cu's he ain't fucking around lol. He will use the best character in the game and not care about your feelings he wants to win. I can respect that. He has a counter pick for almost EVERY character u pick against him AND he plays em all at a high level. Nobody else is doing that, that's what u probably should understand the most

lookgirlitsteejay said:

In all honesty, he is winning a ton cu's he ain't fucking around lol. He will use the best character in the game and not care about your feelings he wants to win. I can respect that. He has a counter pick for almost EVERY character u pick against him AND he plays em all at a high level. Nobody else is doing that, that's what u probably should understand the most

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ForeverKing does the same though.

Soul Bound X said:

Sonic Fox is amazing and deserves all the credit he ever gets, but alot of the reason he's always been number 1 HAS to be because the other top players just aren't working hard enough. You guys need to get it together.

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Who are you to call out other people on their work ethic?

This is some of the most disrespectful stuff I seen on this site, honestly.

And where does this come from?

Because you are bored of watching streams from your house and seeing Sonic Fox win?

Instead of complaining about other players not entertaining you enough while you sit at home doing nothing for anyone, why don't you just take it upon yourself and practice and beat Sonic Fox? This way you and all the other people who sit at home and complain and troll people on streams can be more entertained.

On another note, why do so many people get angry, mad, bored, disappointed at Sonic Fox winning? It is only recently a majority of people despise greatness. Magic, Jordan, Bird, Montana... all loved for the most part. Now you get dominant competitors and everyone just wants to hate on them. The mind set of people now a days is just so ridiculous sometimes. Enjoy his greatness. He is a young kid making a ton of money for himself doing something he loves and does it in style. How can anyone not appreciate that?

Amplified$hotz said:

ForeverKing does the same though.

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Yeah but sonic plays the characters at a higher level he doesn't just pick up alien just for a few matchups. He learns everything about the character like it was his main, and he applies it. Seems like every other counter picker just tries to have the character carry them. Also I've only seen FK use Alien,KL,Kotal,GM. Sonic has like every character besides like 2 lol. Way more options to choose from as well which is insane

Doctor Rektangle said:

I said "Where's yours" not to say you had one. You're saying you're not working hard enough to get one. Okay fine. However to imply everyone else is basically just sleep at the wheel and MKX not being the prime focus of every players life, whether it be not having the time, resources (training partners), being a character loyalist w/e. SonicFox has mastered not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, but at least half the cast in a tournament viable measure. Having a resourceful counterpick to every single contingency. Much like how Tekken Master does. Explains why the set was close. Not to mention there's been Majors/Events where Fox comes up short. However when you have all those back up characters & Alien in your holster, you're always have shooters advantage. That and Fox has been pretty much in the top Percentile of players in every game he's taken seriously up till now. Street Fighter V might as well be Renamed to "Infiltration's Yard: The Game".

Overwatch albeit not a fighter is being RAN by ENVY. For Female's MMA for a while it was Rousey. There's inevitably going to be someone who takes the sport/e-sport by storm and is going to have a firm grasp on it. Your initial post just came off as dismissive of EVERYONE else who plays the game's efforts up till now. Even those who can't afford to travel/showcase their skill. etc.

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So you're agreeing with me. You're saying he's mastered the cast and is taking the necessary steps to be the best unlike everyone else. Well that is what I've been saying all along. And "explain why the set was close". Well... explain why he didn't win. It's about the W and if you're talking about evo grand finals, once alien came out it really wasn't close.

big j gleez said:

Who are you to call out other people on their work ethic?

This is some of the most disrespectful stuff I seen on this site, honestly.

And where does this come from?

Because you are bored of watching streams from your house and seeing Sonic Fox win?

Instead of complaining about other players not entertaining you enough while you sit at home doing nothing for anyone, why don't you just take it upon yourself and practice and beat Sonic Fox? This way you and all the other people who sit at home and complain and troll people on streams can be more entertained.

On another note, why do so many people get angry, mad, bored, disappointed at Sonic Fox winning? It is only recently a majority of people despise greatness. Magic, Jordan, Bird, Montana... all loved for the most part. Now you get dominant competitors and everyone just wants to hate on them. The mind set of people now a days is just so ridiculous sometimes. Enjoy his greatness. He is a young kid making a ton of money for himself doing something he loves and does it in style. How can anyone not appreciate that?

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I'm not mad that he wins. I love winners and I love seeing winners win. I'm just pointing out the obvious. Most other people probably notice this too but won't say it because they are afraid of pointless angry comments like this. It doesn't matter if what I say hurts someone's feelings or not, what matters is if it is true.

Soul Bound X said:

So you're agreeing with me. You're saying he's mastered the cast and is taking the necessary steps to be the best unlike everyone else. Well that is what I've been saying all along. And "explain why the set was close". Well... explain why he didn't win. It's about the W and if you're talking about evo grand finals, once alien came out it really wasn't close.

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Wasn't really close? DUDE. He almost won even after Fox picked Alien. That's close in my book.

Also, some people plateau, hence a skill gap. Maybe some folks just aren't capable of reaching Sonic's level regardless of how much they practice. This includes any and every top player. It's different for everyone.

His dedication and passion for the game is what always puts him on top. What you put in is what you get out of it. He puts in his all and it shows. Anyone who wants to beat him needs to be as dedicated as he is. I practice everyday for hours and get better and better each time but I know theres someone out there like sonic fox who could whoop my subzero all the way back to the mk1 days but I have to keep trying. Tekken Master is a prime example of someone who has serious dedication. He may have went home with 2nd place but he also went home knowing his dedication and passion got him that far.

Eldriken said:

Wasn't really close? DUDE. He almost won even after Fox picked Alien. That's close in my book.

Also, some people plateau, hence a skill gap. Maybe some folks just aren't capable of reaching Sonic's level regardless of how much they practice. This includes any and every top player. It's different for everyone.

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But what this implies is that everyone under sonic fox is just too dumb to beat him. They don't have the iq points to master this incredibly complex game. I simply don't believe mkx is complex enough for it to be for those reasons. I'm not saying it's not complex because it is, but not to the degree where iq matters THAT much. I really do believe sonic fox is the only player working hard enough.

AGRxShiroKuma said:

His dedication and passion for the game is what always puts him on top. What you put in is what you get out of it. He puts in his all and it shows. Anyone who wants to beat him needs to be as dedicated as he is. I practice everyday for hours and get better and better each time but I know theres someone out there like sonic fox who could whoop my subzero all the way back to the mk1 days but I have to keep trying. Tekken Master is a prime example of someone who has serious dedication. He may have went home with 2nd place but he also went home knowing his dedication and passion got him that far.

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He also went home knowing he rattled Sonic's cage, which not many people have done. That shit was so hype. Sonic did NOT have the look of confidence on his face that he normally has.

SonicFox sold his soul to Shinnok, so in return, Shinnok granted SonicFox with the ability to body anyone else. However, Sonic challenged Shinnok to a high stakes money match in an Impostor Mirror and got double flawlessed, thus winning his soul back and keeping his superior fighting game ability and instinct.

It's the only logical explanation.

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But what this implies is that everyone under sonic fox is just too dumb to beat him. They don't have the iq points to master this incredibly complex game. I simply don't believe mkx is complex enough for it to be for those reasons. I'm not saying it's not complex because it is, but not to the degree where iq matters THAT much. I really do believe sonic fox is the only player working hard enough.

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IQ/Intelligence should not be factored in that heavily. Yeah, it probably weighs in on what a person can achieve, but I don't think IQ/intelligence directly dictates where/when you plateau. Some people just can't bridge that gap when they come to it and it's not their fault.

Also, there's a thing called natural talent. Fox clearly has that considering how good he is at pretty much any game he puts his hands on. He's simply a natural fighting game player.

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Actually, I know why he's good. I know what it takes to be the best. It takes love for the game, practicing a lot, learning it in and out, and dedication to being the best. I guess the real question I'm trying to ask is where the hell is all the competition? Seriously. No one wants to be better? Where are the other top players? Have you guys not been watching videos and studying him? It's not like he has some incedibly secret knowledge of the game
that you don't have. It's frame data, spacing, and mind games. This guy has been on top since the game released and no one has learned how to beat him? Really??? You guys are slacking. Sonic Fox is amazing and deserves all the credit he ever gets, but alot of the reason he's always been number 1 HAS to be because the other top players just aren't working hard enough. You guys need to get it together.

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Everything ?

I beat him in Monooly XL last night

Hold that

Soul Bound X said:

But what this implies is that everyone under sonic fox is just too dumb to beat him. They don't have the iq points to master this incredibly complex game. I simply don't believe mkx is complex enough for it to be for those reasons. I'm not saying it's not complex because it is, but not to the degree where iq matters THAT much. I really do believe sonic fox is the only player working hard enough.

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Well why don't you outwork all of these people who are coming up short, show them the way and go beat fox lol. This is starting to make no sense. He''s good. He works hard. MAYBE he works harder than other nobody knows but insulting their IQ,work ethic,skills,dedication ect is just ridiculous...

There is the natural talent factor in every aspect of life. You may train in swimming 24/7 but you will not beat Michael Phelps in a single race. But Sonic works hard at the game too. When you combine the two elements you will have a dominant force.

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So you're agreeing with me. You're saying he's mastered the cast and is taking the necessary steps to be the best unlike everyone else. Well that is what I've been saying all along. And "explain why the set was close". Well... explain why he didn't win. It's about the W and if you're talking about evo grand finals, once alien came out it really wasn't close.

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1.) Saying "SonicFox Works Harder than anyone else" is not the same as "The REST of you don't work hard and you're slacking"

2.) "Explain why he didn't win" When Tekken Master won game 4 after adjusting to his Erron Black, he brought out Alien for the first time the entire Top 8. Winner being character / variation locked so Fox has already played a few rounds vs this kotal.

Doctor Rektangle said:

1.) Saying "SonicFox Works Harder than anyone else" is not the same as "The REST of you don't work hard and you're slacking"

2.) "Explain why he didn't win" When Tekken Master won game 4 after adjusting to his Erron Black, he brought out Alien for the first time the entire Top 8. Winner being character / variation locked so Fox has already played a few rounds vs this kotal.

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1. How is that not the same? If you have your goals aimed at being second or third then maybe you aren't slacking. Maybe you're working exactly hard enough for those places. But if your goals are first and you're not working as hard as sonic fox..... What do you want me to call that if not slacking?

2. Okay? Congrats to that guy for showing that he is at least close to sonic fox's skill. But being able to swap characters like that is part of the game and part of the skill it takes to win obviously. If you rewound time and they played again, sonic fox would still come out the victor. I'm glad grand finals wasn't just a piece of cake for sonic fox but the predicted winner still won and he is still the best.

Jesus some of the counterpoints in here are terrible.

"Where's your evo medal?" "Why don't you go and do it then?" Are you even reading what he's saying? He's not talking about himself, he's talking about the players that do/can go out there and are expected to be the top players of the game/play at the highest level.

Believe it or not OP's actually right (in some regards). Sometimes it does look like some top players are lacking some matchup knowledge. Moves going unpunished or not being punished by their best option on block for example, or getting hit by gimmicks with huge gaps. Little tidbits of matchup knowledge that would make matchups a lot easier for themselves.

Do you know why Sonicfox wins? It's because he actually labs stuff. He actually looks at what's important to a variation, breaks them down, looks at frame data, learn every important thing for beating them or in some cases every important thing for playing as them so he can use them in tournament. That's why he wins so much, that's why he can play so many characters well. It's the same reason Tekken Master came 2nd, he's actually went into the lab for more than 5 minutes. He's learned how to play as and against multiple variations. Another multi-major winner, King, plays multiple variations and can fight variations because he spends time in the lab. F0xy is the exception but I know he spends time labbing stuff as well and it pays off. That's really a main reason. So many times have there been instances where people didn't know simple matchup stuff, never mind the more detail-oriented specifics, and it's really too much.

When you have people still claiming Ancestral and Spectral are bottom 5 it's because they clearly haven't labbed the variations very much. I've had a top player try and justify a variation being viable to me with "Just play this guy, he's really good with it" because they clearly don't know the variation themselves. I've seen a top player assume that a certain variation of a character they don't play is best in a certain matchup then make more assumptions about the matchup only to be shut down by another top player who actually mains the character. Assumptions like those shouldn't even be a thing, top players should have at least a basic understanding of most variations in the game after almost a year and a third.

But of course matchup experience is another factor so some players might also not be getting the matchup experience against other players of certain variations/characters. Those are two factors I think are why Sonic is beating other people so consistently. They're why his counterpicks work, he knows how his characters tools work and how they are a problem for his opponent. He's looked at this in the lab and confirmed it by matchup experience and he does this with multiple characters.

When watching him it just seems like he always KNOWS when to take risks. Like, how often do you see him get punished for throwing out a yolo slide as Erron? Hardly ever, because they never really get blocked. They always hit.

It's weird but I think it's a skill you just can't learn, he just always knows when to take risks. Risks which in this game usually grant so much reward.

It's most likely a mixture of most the reasons mentioned in this thread though. He's not dominating the game and never losing because of one simple cut and dried thing, he's winning because of a plethora of skills and reasons.

So these top players like Infiltration, Daigo,sonicfox,scar,foxy etc. Does anyone know how much time they practice a day? I'd like to hear from any of you how much time you guys also play/practice a day. Especially to compete at tournaments.

Cuz he's playing games he enjoys and not wasting time making threads like this

According to http://www.esportsearnings.com/players/fighting-game-players, Sonic Fox has earned $303,846.80 since 2013, which is almost $100,000 a year (and that doesn't even take into account other sources of income such as sponsorships, Twitch subscribers, etc).

That means while other players have to contend with "real life", Sonic and other top tournament players can literally make a living playing video games all day. They have access to the best training partners, they don't have to have day jobs (though I'm sure some still do), they almost definitely have the support of their families.

Basically, the odds are stacked against the "average" players who do have to work 40+ hours per week, whose families don't take them seriously, and who don't have access to other top players as sparring partners. When people talk about "pro" gamers, this is what they mean: Sonic literally plays this game to make a living.

Tack all that onto his natural skill, which is how he got to this level in the first place, and it's no wonder that he can rarely be touched.

ILuvFightGames said:

So these top players like Infiltration, Daigo,sonicfox,scar,foxy etc. Does anyone know how much time they practice a day? I'd like to hear from any of you how much time you guys also play/practice a day. Especially to compete at tournaments.

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Playing the game and goal oriented practice are two completely different levels of practice.

If you're like me and don't have a good memory, take notes to simplify knowledge into digestible language.

karaokelove said:

According to http://www.esportsearnings.com/players/fighting-game-players, Sonic Fox has earned $303,846.80 since 2013, which is almost $100,000 a year (and that doesn't even take into account other sources of income such as sponsorships, Twitch subscribers, etc). That means while other players have to contend with "real life", Sonic and other top tournament players can literally make a living playing video games all day. They have access to the best training partners, they don't have to have day jobs (though I'm sure some still do), they almost definitely have the support of their families. Basically, the odds are stacked against the "average" players who do have to work 40+ hours per week, whose parents don't take them seriously, and who don't have access to other top players as sparring partners. When people talk about "pro" gamers, this is what they mean: Sonic literally plays this game to make a living.

Tack all that onto his natural skill, which is how he got to this level in the first place, and it's no wonder that he can rarely be touched.

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Exactly, this is the reason I asked if anyone knows how many hours these top players practice or play a day? Right on.