Weapons having hurtboxes is going to plunge Grandmaster into top 5....
WEAPONS HAVING HURTBOXES IS GOING TO MAKE GRANDMASTER THE NEW BROKE TIER, I'm warning you all.
The only reason Grandcock isn't in top 5 is because of characters with disjointed hitboxes, take them away and GM is going to have a god like tier list.
On second thought, I wouldn't mind this happening since it would mean Kenshi would be the only character in the game who wins this MU soo...
Kenshi, Ermac, Sonya, Ferra / Torr, Tremor, Raiden, Shinnok, Jacqui, Triborg, etc. don't do bad against Grandmaster at all and they don't even bank off no hurtbox normals.
Giving disjointed hitboxes an active hurt box will look janky as hell. Can you imagine s1 punishing Takeda's b12 at max range? What the hell happens there?
It feels as if you decided how you wanted alien to be nerfed, and then retro-actively went back and applied it to every character.
I agree with the general mechanic changes, cancelling things on whiff is hella stupid.
I don't understand the Jacqui nerfs (besides the damage nerf which I would agree with). It's a 1 bar safe, non-armoured launcher. Plenty of characters have similar moves (off the top of my head Kung Jin, Shinnok, Takeda, Tanya) and her neutral already requires meter to be played effectively; now you want it to be punishable? This nerf doesn't change her block string pressure and it's not like anything she's going to cancel from is gonna be negative anyways. It's literally a nerf to her neutral game which just doesn't make sense to me.
Also, why the ex up missile nerf? I'm just curious because Jaqcui is hardly a character that people think of when top tier discussion is brought up (at least not top 10) and you want to nerf her two competitively viable variations?
It's not really about how it looks, or how realistic it is. It's more about gameplay. I mean, does instant jump kick over and over look "good" on block? Does Jason Voorhees look "good" running? Does Leatherface look good throwing chainsaws? Mileena look good GRAPPLING Goro in ravenous? Etc. etc. You can make this argument for so many things but it's just moot, IMO. I think whiff punishing someone with an uppercut for whiffing a half screen normal would be hype. Or doing crazy converts off a half screen normal with Jacqui like standing 1 -> Shotgun capture would be equally hype. It would just add more depth to the game, I believe.
If you want safety with Shotgun, then cancel into regular low shot or use straight shot to jail with. You can hit confirm her Low option anyway. But being able to YOLO out 50/50s into round critical damage and death re-stands should not come at no consequence. She's already a ridiculous blender character and her EX Low Shotgun being safe is overkill, IMO.
Her EX up missiles shouldn't be advantage. It's already good enough they lead to safe launching damage off many attacks. I think Jacqui high tier and definitely needs a bit of toning down. Don't know why other players don't think the character is ridiculous.
Disjointed hitboxes that are impossible to counterpoke are all over fighting games, more of a fact of life than anything. I'm not saying that absolutely absurd normals don't exist, but I mean let's look at some classic examples
http://wiki.shoryuken.com/images/1/18/Balrog_crstrng3.png (This move is +6 on block, for christ's sake)
http://wiki.shoryuken.com/images/a/ad/Ryu_crstrng3.png
http://wiki.shoryuken.com/images/c/c6/OTHawk_crjab3.png
https://sfz2.wordpress.com/hitbox-data/chun-li-hitboxes/#jp-carousel-965
Not entirely sure why extensions not related to actual limbs of a character should be hit, kind of the point of the weapon based attack. For example, I agree with D'vorah probably having more extensive vulnerability since those are actual parts of her body, but Takeda? KJ? I can't get behind that.
I think that's poor game design. Aside from a few exceptions, there's literally no reason why ridiculous normal attacks that lead to pressure, devastating damage on hit, already empower the character's neutral, etc. etc. should have invincible fire-ball esque hitboxes.
One of the reason's people hate Marth in melee is because of his absurd normals with no hurtboxes that are prevalent in the neutral game. I really don't think anyone can make a case for their character being "ruined" or "unplayable" if the character is now vulnerable like 80% of the cast when swinging with their attacks.
@YOMI REO, the 3f extra startup on jumps, would that greatly affect insta jump specials?
It wouldn't affect the air time to execute the attack. Just slightly prolong it due to the added jump start up.
