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BAYSE

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yeah monitors are the way to go for competitive fighters. tv's have super noticeable lag time. My TV, for comparison has 70 ms lag time. 70 ms lag time translates to 4.2 frames in mkx! You're essentially giving your opponent a 4 frame advantage by default. Some TVs even have lag times of over 100 ms.

so definitely get a 1 ms monitor asap!

I recommend BENQ. Not sure how much they're going for. But I love mine. BenQ is a good place to start. Happy shopping.
 

villainous monk

Terrible times breed terrible things, my lord.
yeah monitors are the way to go for competitive fighters. tv's have super noticeable lag time. My TV, for comparison has 70 ms lag time. 70 ms lag time translates to 4.2 frames in mkx! You're essentially giving your opponent a 4 frame advantage by default. Some TVs even have lag times of over 100 ms.

so definitely get a 1 ms monitor asap!

I recommend BENQ. Not sure how much they're going for. But I love mine. BenQ is a good place to start. Happy shopping.

Whoa!!! TVs can do that much lag? Wait.. Can you explain how this is possible? I thought lag would be primarily an online nrs issue.
 
I have 2 23" ASUS monitors I got on Amazon a while back (mostly due to being a Prime member for free shipping) that were around $130 when I bought them. No complaints either. I've had them slightly before MKX released. They also have HDMI, DVI, VGA< and headphone ports for multiple ways to display video
 

21122

Noob
It takes time for the TV to display what it's being told to display. Depending on the xx ms your tv takes to display "in real time" action the worse it is for your fighting game experience, essentially
It's because of the post processing your TV does to make the image look nice. Most TVs have game mode which turns that off. Brings down the input lag a lot.

My 4K TV has 120ms input lag! But with game mode it brings it down to 20ms.
 
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MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
is there any cheaper than 130$ at a 15ms or lower display, preferably 22+ inches?
my samsung monitor went out, and now im left with a 70ms tv yuck
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
Get an Asus VH238H. They're cheap, reliable, and have very little display lag. They also have speakers, which some cheap monitors don't have.
 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
Get an Asus VH238H. They're cheap, reliable, and have very little display lag. They also have speakers, which some cheap monitors don't have.
thank you, that one is awesome: found one here for $109.99

 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
That's not the one I suggested. It seems like it would be ok though.

Check this website for display lag:
http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

I wouldn't get those Acers. No HDMI input and no audio. Also, any monitor that says 5ms response time in the manufacturer specs is actually pretty slow.

I'm assuming you are serious about playing in a lag-free environment. If so, pick a monitor that's been tested by displaylag.com. Preferably something under 16ms because that's at least 1 frame of lag added to your visual cue.
 

TommyKing5

But the saw... the saw is family
I bought a BenQ monitor around two days ago, can't remember the type but it has RTS modes, no lag whatsoever..
After playing on monitors for the whole weekend during Australia's Fighting Game major (Battle Arena Melbourne 2016) then coming home and playing on my TV, the difference amazed me. The game didn't even feel like it was running at 60fps. Bought the monitor the next day lol.

I can now play the game much better, best AU$250 I've spent. Very happy. I hope you make the jump. I think there's a cheaper one than the one I got that's 21".
 

villainous monk

Terrible times breed terrible things, my lord.
It takes time for the TV to display what it's being told to display. Depending on the xx ms your tv takes to display "in real time" action the worse it is for your fighting game experience, essentially
This is interesting. I thought I could move away from this issue a lil bit when I played Gears of War so heavily but I see it really doesn't matter now.

Ok. Is there a way to check on my flat screen?

Aslo would like to find out or measure up the various ways lag can affect your gaming. Because I too have a gaming mode on my set but if a monitor can give me an edge then I see no reason why I should not follow the same path.

But I have a question.

I want to know what would be the optimal performance you can have when you buy the game before you hook it up

vs

What this game should be able to do or provide after its hooked or online.

What I want to messure are the various issues of lag, that without needing to upgrade your services, Internet speeds and everything else that will cause lag.

I know this may sound confusing but I want to know why should I or others have to shell out more $$$ to get the best of the best if it's a monitor or a cable right up to the best service providers just to make up for this issue. Isn't a NRS problem? AInternet connection problem? Or a console problem?

Forgive me. I do think know much when it comes to this sort of stuff.
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
This is interesting. I thought I could move away from this issue a lil bit when I played Gears of War so heavily but I see it really doesn't matter now.

Ok. Is there a way to check on my flat screen?

Aslo would like to find out or measure up the various ways lag can affect your gaming. Because I too have a gaming mode on my set but if a monitor can give me an edge then I see no reason why I should not follow the same path.

But I have a question.

I want to know what would be the optimal performance you can have when you buy the game before you hook it up

vs

What this game should be able to do or provide after its hooked or online.

What I want to messure are the various issues of lag, that without needing to upgrade your services, Internet speeds and everything else that will cause lag.

I know this may sound confusing but I want to know why should I or others have to shell out more $$$ to get the best of the best if it's a monitor or a cable right up to the best service providers just to make up for this issue. Isn't a NRS problem? AInternet connection problem? Or a console problem?

Forgive me. I do think know much when it comes to this sort of stuff.
There is input lag, display lag, and internet lag.

Input lag is based on the the game itself (the way it is programmed) and adds in any lag introduced by your controller.

Display lag is based on the monitor/TV (display) and how fast it can process and display a new image.

Internet lag is based on your connection speed and the most important factors are your ping and being wired (as opposed to connecting through wifi).

You can't do much about input lag except for buying a low latency stick/pad. For display lag, buy a monitor with a good response time. For internet lag, make sure you are wired and have decent service.
 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
I'd go with that one, because the RL2455HM only has 10ms of display lag and I'm pretty sure it's the same monitor - just a little bigger.
1ms or 10ms? it says it has 1ms am i missing some educational website i should know of? help me out here, you guys know the tv's better than i do...
 

x TeeJay o

Canary Cry Gapless Pressure
When buying a montior its important not to mistake input lag with response time. Input lag is going to be the amount of whatever game you are playing. Example, SFV has 8f input lag, but my monitor is a 1ms response time. That will not make SFV input lag decrease. Response time is how long it takes for a display's pixel to go from either black-to-white or gray-to-gray. it's usually the gray-to-gray response time that it advertised as this is usually quicker. A good response time prevents ghosting (where you see blur on moving objects and stuff).

Tons of people are actually wanting to know about input lag which is the delay between a display receiving a signal and it being shown. Basically, how long is the delay between pressing a button and seeing it happen on screen.

You want both these numbers to be as low as possible, but honestly most monitors have similarly low response times, whereas the input lag varies much more, and it's the input lag that you want to be focusing on. You can find databases where external people test the input lag + actual response times to find the real "delay" from you pressing a button to it actually happening on screen.

Input lag is a much more useful number to find out & decide if u want that one or use the online sites to figure out the true delay. A monitor may have a response time of 1ms, but an input lag of 40ms which, for simplified sake, could give us a delay of 41ms. A different monitor may have a response time of 10ms, but an input lag of 12ms, giving us a delay of 22ms. Based on the response times (which are usually what is advertised), the first monitor seems to be the best which isn't necessarily the case.


IN MY HONEST OPINION, it doesn't matter what the response time is. You need to find out the inout lag of the display you want. Back in 2012 when i started playing on monitors, i went through at least 5 in a span of a week just testing. I went through a variety of Brands, Acer,Asus,BenQ,Samsung,and AOC. The one that preformed the best was an AOC 5ms monitor. Second, was the Asus. Followed by BENQ ,Acer,and Samsung being the least satisfying. Keep in mind my Asus was 1ms, BenQ was 1ms, and the others were 5ms.


The monitor i use now is the same one from 2012 and its still amazing. Here it is if you want a look.


http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VN247H-P-1920x1080-Back-lit-Monitor/dp/B00AVYNS7M


P.S. I paid $120 fot it back then, im sure you can get it for cheap now. BenQ Vs Asus is a whole diff topic, but lets just say that literally it's all branding. Either one is fine
 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
When buying a montior its important not to mistake input lag with response time. Input lag is going to be the amount of whatever game you are playing. Example, SFV has 8f input lag, but my monitor is a 1ms response time. That will not make SFV input lag decrease. Response time is how long it takes for a display's pixel to go from either black-to-white or gray-to-gray. it's usually the gray-to-gray response time that it advertised as this is usually quicker. A good response time prevents ghosting (where you see blur on moving objects and stuff).

Tons of people are actually wanting to know about input lag which is the delay between a display receiving a signal and it being shown. Basically, how long is the delay between pressing a button and seeing it happen on screen.

You want both these numbers to be as low as possible, but honestly most monitors have similarly low response times, whereas the input lag varies much more, and it's the input lag that you want to be focusing on. You can find databases where external people test the input lag + actual response times to find the real "delay" from you pressing a button to it actually happening on screen.

Input lag is a much more useful number to find out & decide if u want that one or use the online sites to figure out the true delay. A monitor may have a response time of 1ms, but an input lag of 40ms which, for simplified sake, could give us a delay of 41ms. A different monitor may have a response time of 10ms, but an input lag of 12ms, giving us a delay of 22ms. Based on the response times (which are usually what is advertised), the first monitor seems to be the best which isn't necessarily the case.


IN MY HONEST OPINION, it doesn't matter what the response time is. You need to find out the inout lag of the display you want. Back in 2012 when i started playing on monitors, i went through at least 5 in a span of a week just testing. I went through a variety of Brands, Acer,Asus,BenQ,Samsung,and AOC. The one that preformed the best was an AOC 5ms monitor. Second, was the Asus. Followed by BENQ ,Acer,and Samsung being the least satisfying. Keep in mind my Asus was 1ms, BenQ was 1ms, and the others were 5ms.


The monitor i use now is the same one from 2012 and its still amazing. Here it is if you want a look.


http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VN247H-P-1920x1080-Back-lit-Monitor/dp/B00AVYNS7M


P.S. I paid $120 fot it back then, im sure you can get it for cheap now. BenQ Vs Asus is a whole diff topic, but lets just say that literally it's all branding. Either one is fine
how do we find out what the Input lag is on each monitor? can we find this before purchasing?
 

MadeOfMetal

Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
I have a few questions for you:

  • What is the difference between LCD, LED, and IPS LED?
  • Can you help me find a Gaming Monitor that is below 190.00 USD that is 27" - 32" preferably 32 inch and that will have close to no lag at all and have a good response time with speakers?
the ones i have been looking at after you described that there was Response Time and Input Delay that where separate things in Gaming Monitors:

ASUS VE278H 27" Full HD 1920x1080 2ms

ASUS VS278Q-P 27" Full HD 1920x1080 1ms

can anyone tell me if this one is any good? will i have input lag and how would you rate this one? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0078LSTWU/?tag=dislag-20

also can you tell me about this one, its in my price range?
BenQ GL2760H 27-inch HDMI LED-lit Monitor
Displaylag.com has the older version BenQ [GL2750H] but doesn't have the [GL2760H]

you can find it here: http://www.amazon.com/BenQ-GL2760H-27-inch-LED-lit-Monitor/dp/B00IZBIMLK/ref=dp_ob_title_ce


http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-27-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor-S27C230B/dp/B00C18YQ8Q/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B332A9C/?tag=dislag-20

also how would i find my actual TV Lag Time: Toshiba 32C11OU1