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SALTY Bradycast - The Alien Outcry & Various Game Balance Thoughts

PND_Mustard

"More stealthful than the night"
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this and competitive play isn't what keeps a game alive nrs won't have money to keep funding tournaments once the casuals leave the game. I know u work for nrs but damn bro don't be blind season 2 finals of esl had less viewers then a nyc local for sfv y because in mkx the same 4 or 5 characters win every tournament. Outside of fox every tournament won in this game was won by a top 5 character or by counter picking . Character loyalty gets u nowhere unless u play top tier it's sad. Mkx is a counterpickong game or tier whoring just look at foxy he claimed to be a lao loyaltists but what happened when lao got NORMALIZED he don't even use him anymore the character isn't even bad but because he's not top 5 he dropped him. That is what this community rewards lol its sad
No. I do not work for NRS. I defend against idiotic comments of MKX "dying" as someone that has been deeply rooted into the NRS player community since it's start in 2011.

If your sole reasoning for a game "dying" is twitch numbers, then you are slapping the face of every single person that puts their time and effort into entering tournaments every week, who plays the game every single day, who have done so for over a year.

MKX has higher viewer numbers than any other MK to date, which in my book makes it the most successful.

For years we've seen a steady climb in interest and participants, years we have been working towards what we have now and to what the future holds and now we are at a super high point as a community and to see stupid comments like the ones you are spouting bothers me.

If you don't wanna play MKX, be my guest. You can obviously do what you want. But don't try to excuse it with BS. tier whoring doesn't kill games, character specialists have been winning tournaments since launch day, both happen, it's called playing to win in a competitive game with life changing sums of money on the line.
 

The Highlander

There can be only one
50/50s are not the problem. SFV has 50/50s. most overheads dont lead to full combos... but the main issue is unreactable, safe 50/50s that lead to full combos into set ups.
And it's not even that, those characters at the top have great mobility, pressure, and good armour too. 50/50's are always thrown under the bus, they aren't necessarily the problem.
 

The_Tile

Your hole is mine!
To be fair, everyone's crusade HAS been geared towards only Acidic and Tarkatan so far lol. For what Konjurer loosely implores I don't think anyone can be expected to know all the loopholes it can bring to the table yet.
I know, Konjurer is flying under the radar a bit, but after a bit of labbing you can see after his 114 (IIRC)xxEgg setups he gets 2 safe 50/50s and if you guess wrong either time you're gonna be eating around 60+ percent or siginficantly lower damage into the same setup. And he probably has more undiscovered dirt too. Konjurer does largely the same thing as Tarkatan and Acidic, I just believe after the nerfs he does it better.
 

The Farmer

Gunslinger since pre ptch -Shout out 2 Youphs 2015
No. I do not work for NRS. I defend against idiotic comments of MKX "dying" as someone that has been deeply rooted into the NRS player community since it's start in 2011.

If your sole reasoning for a game "dying" is twitch numbers, then you are slapping the face of every single person that puts their time and effort into entering tournaments every week, who plays the game every single day, who have done so for over a year.

MKX has higher viewer numbers than any other MK to date, which in my book makes it the most successful.

For years we've seen a steady climb in interest and participants, years we have been working towards what we have now and to what the future holds and now we are at a super high point as a community and to see stupid comments like the ones you are spouting bothers me.

If you don't wanna play MKX, be my guest. You can obviously do what you want. But don't try to excuse it with BS. tier whoring doesn't kill games, character specialists have been winning tournaments since launch day, both happen, it's called playing to win in a competitive game with life changing sums of money on the line.
Last season finals had over 45k viewers......... Seems like a good number to me.
 

The_Tile

Your hole is mine!
Yes it does, because you're not benefited by the other variation's specific tools when using another. Nothing was conveniently forgotten. I only play Tarkatan and have messed with Acidic. At this moment I don't even know if Konjurer has what we were talking about. If Konjurer is super omega broke, then Tarkatan shouldn't be banned because of it.

Saying i'm one of the guys that thought something, means nothing. That's just another empty TYM argument.

Edit: I mean it's literally a HARD FACT that a variation specific tool does not benefit all three variations. I could say that chicken tastes like blueberries, and if I later say that that's not true, you can't prove me wrong by saying "bro earlier you said that it was". That's just you grasping at straws, whether I said it or not.
I know my last argument was a bit vague but I'm not sifting through pages of threads just to prove a point, you can have that one.

Konjurer already has some broken stuff mainly revolving around his setups into 50/50s. Sure he might have even more stuff, but what I know already makes him better than the other two imo.

And to be clear, I don't actually think he should be banned, whether he's fair or not unless he's game breaking it's only detrimental to the game, and i dont think he is. I just thought your argument was pretty silly.
 

WarlordRenegade

Founder of Team Renegade
This has got to be one of the most informative and politically correct videos about MKXL and alien I have ever seen. I also think toning down the cost of a block breaker would solve a lot of the remaining issues as well, for instance a block breaker could only cost 1 bar. Make the game more rewarding for patience and defense
 
Last season finals had over 45k viewers......... Seems like a good number to me.
Last year MKX closing EVO registration # was (1162) coming in 4th place with Melee (1869), Smash 4 (1926) and USIV (2227). I would love to see if MKX number grows this year. If, not I think its safe to say the game is slowly losing interest. Will it die? No, but the scene will continue to shrink overall.
 
50/50s are not the problem. SFV has 50/50s. most overheads dont lead to full combos... but the main issue is unreactable, safe 50/50s that lead to full combos into set ups.
To add to your point and its been stated many times. There isn't any reward in being defensive in this game. You block a 50/50 and you're still at a disadvantage for blocking correctly. I'm not a game dev, but that doesn't make sense to me one bit.
 

SOULWARRIOR 71K

XBL: SOULWARRIOR 71K PSN: SOULWARRIOR71K
This has got to be one of the most informative and politically correct videos about MKXL and alien I have ever seen. I also think toning down the cost of a block breaker would solve a lot of the remaining issues as well, for instance a block breaker could only cost 1 bar. Make the game more rewarding for patience and defense
Think about how much this would further tip the scales in favor of rush down fast meter building characters. I really don't see a way around the fact that if NRS truly wanted to "buff" defense, they would simply need to nerf offense.
 
No I know MKX is bullshit Im asking if the 50-50s in SFV you are talking about are grab vs meaty scenarios or something else
I think he's referring to some characters having an option to do an overhead like Ken, Nash, Laura, Karin, Birdie and ETC. All don't lead into a combo, but the option of a meaty 50/50 is there just less subtle as oppose to MKX.
 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
I defend against idiotic comments of MKX "dying" as someone that has been deeply rooted into the NRS player community since it's start in 2011.
dosn't ESL Season 3 get like 400ish and 600ish every week in the EU and NA groups? Plus the Cups?
 

Wetdoba

All too easy...
I think he's referring to some characters having an option to do an overhead like Ken, Nash, Laura, Karin, Birdie and ETC. All don't lead into a combo, but the option of a meaty 50/50 is there just less subtle as oppose to MKX.
Those are not 50-50s though, those are reactable overheads, overheads arent what create a 50-50 guessing game when you can block them on reaction, SF overheads are more about conditioning than guessing, and even then they are mostly still unsafe. A straight up guess would be if someone like Mika resets you in the corner and now you are guessing between meaty crush counter or command grab
 
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Those are not 50-50s though, those are reactable overheads, overheads arent what create a 50-50 guessing game when you can block them on reaction, SF overheads are more about c9nditioning than guessing, and even then they are mostly still unsafe. A straight up guess would be if someone like Mike resets you in the corner and now you are guessing between meaty crush counter or command grab
this post right here is what every single person on this website should understand before they ever use the term "50/50" in any post. If you are not guessing either right or wrong, IT'S NOT A 50/50. If someone uses a low or an overhead and it's slow enough to react to, that's not a 50/50. if you have options that work for defending a situation besides guessing to block high or low, it's not a 50/50. People see a character that has an overhead.... and even if the overhead is like 30 frames people are still like "wtf stupid 50/50s god."

characters can jip as overheards. Or they can run at you and D3. wtf stupid 50/50s god F this game. ignoring general gameplay and all other options and only considering block direction here is exactly how people treat every other situation they incorrectly call 50/50s.
 
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Those are not 50-50s though, those are reactable overheads, overheads arent what create a 50-50 guessing game when you can block them on reaction, SF overheads are more about conditioning than guessing, and even then they are mostly still unsafe. A straight up guess would be if someone like Mika resets you in the corner and now you are guessing between meaty crush counter or command grab
Thanks for the explanation. That actually makes perfect sense.
 
No. I do not work for NRS. I defend against idiotic comments of MKX "dying" as someone that has been deeply rooted into the NRS player community since it's start in 2011.

If your sole reasoning for a game "dying" is twitch numbers, then you are slapping the face of every single person that puts their time and effort into entering tournaments every week, who plays the game every single day, who have done so for over a year.

MKX has higher viewer numbers than any other MK to date, which in my book makes it the most successful.

For years we've seen a steady climb in interest and participants, years we have been working towards what we have now and to what the future holds and now we are at a super high point as a community and to see stupid comments like the ones you are spouting bothers me.

If you don't wanna play MKX, be my guest. You can obviously do what you want. But don't try to excuse it with BS. tier whoring doesn't kill games, character specialists have been winning tournaments since launch day, both happen, it's called playing to win in a competitive game with life changing sums of money on the line.
name 1 loyalist who's won a major that wasn't with a top tier character. Matter of fact an American major where the competition is real. I've literally seen a tournament with 4 tanyas in top 4 before they nerfed her lol. But hey that's good for the game right. Where are those tanya loyalists now? What about the lao loyalists huh? I'll tell u they're alien and mileena players now cuz they're braindead and top tier
 
name 1 loyalist who's won a major that wasn't with a top tier character. Matter of fact an American major where the competition is real. I've literally seen a tournament with 4 tanyas in top 4 before they nerfed her lol. But hey that's good for the game right. Where are those tanya loyalists now? What about the lao loyalists huh? I'll tell u they're alien and mileena players now cuz they're braindead and top tier
What if we count @SonicFox5000 as a loyalist to the entire cast xD