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MK1 Tier List Discussion

tier list wip based on characters pros and cons

1-sonya
2-liu kang
3-sub zero
4-scorpion
5-cage
6-raiden
7-kano

fixed sub zero's place in the tier list
 

MKK hanzo

Moderator
imo in r3 sub is higher than scorp, nice work otherwise
I was thinking the same
+2 here. I was going to question that. Sub can punish all c. kicks in the game, blocked/whiffed and some even if they hit him, with his slide. This is incredibly good against Sonya or Liu.

as the tittle says wip,there will be some changes
Great man. We hope to hear more.

Ded_ are you mod in MK1 section?
 

Mariso

Noob
the tier list is interesting, sub goes above scorpion for me as well. As for playing playing with ninjas on rev 5 is pretty cool; strong jabs and they are universal when it comes too their legs, u can do lots of good stuff with them, a big black point are their unpercuts and some slow moves, but over all i think with pro ninja player they can be pretty deadly and ESPECIALY easy too play with high reflexes against all caracters even on rev. 5
 

MKK hanzo

Moderator
and ESPECIALY easy too play with high reflexes against all caracters even on rev. 5
Very true. I have put to sleep MANY Sonya players that were overconfident that my Sub jabs didnt hit them.

Actually the fight looked more like a coreography:

I get in close and kara jab
They c.Lk and I take or block the hit
Slide hits them no matter what
they get up and back up and throw bait sweep BUT
I follow them to block it at the tip of the sweep
I punish their sweep with standing Lk
They on reaction try the leg grab but it fails for being far (i think itcan still grab)
free Ice shot + combo


Sometimes I get in close and on purpose do a c.Lk or a Uppercut for them to attack me with C.Lk
 

Mariso

Noob
Actually the fight looked more like a coreography:
I get in close and kara jab
They c.Lk and I take or block the hit
Slide hits them no matter what
they get up and back up and throw bait sweep BUT
I follow them to block it at the tip of the sweep
I punish their sweep with standing Lk
Hah i use similar stuff , i do mostly jabs attack with cancels and use slide to punish most single moves and sub,s legs are really good for sweeping from longer distance... with "block cancels" sub can be hard work for players against him... and really usefull taktik too be agressive against any oponent who cant handle close combat...
 

MKK hanzo

Moderator
Hah i use similar stuff , i do mostly jabs attack with cancels and use slide to punish most single moves and sub,s legs are really good for sweeping from longer distance... with "block cancels" sub can be hard work for players against him... and really usefull taktik too be agressive against any oponent who cant handle close combat...
True. In fact Ded in his guide mentions that a well played Sub can be Top 2... That leaved me wonder, a bad played Kano is the sametier as a good played Kano? I mean IMO and NOT critizicing Ded's job on the guides, he should be placed intead top 2/3 with that guide. Why? Cause if you gonna play you should do it well from the begginning. I dont think of anybody that plays for example a bad Cage and still be 2nd spot in the game.

Sub is top 2/3 no matter how you play it I think cause its based on character abilities not in player ability.
 

ded

Elder God
moved.

mk1 is a small game but you have to play against really good cage and liu kang
 

Mariso

Noob
I know hanzo u got that arkade machine rev 3 for tourny.... but asside from this....for me rev 5 tier list is what maters in real, since its the final revision of the game and the fastest
 

MKK hanzo

Moderator
Ok Dread I was refering alsoto both revisions. The slide from Sub can be the 2nd best move in the entire game if not by the time you have to wait between one and another. It punish EVERITHING in the game blocked (except karajabs), even if someone hit you with a c.lk or a far missed sweep. It punish Jumps, corner combos, all blocked stuff, is fast and can surprise, is hard topunish it if you are not aware... Its easy to do on reaction etc... Thats what im triying to get into.

I know that you guys (Ded, Soul, dread, etc) know more and are far way better than me at MK1 its just that I find weird that aspect of the tier list.

I dont think that a character can be "better if played well". We are assuming that the user is going to use the char at his fullest.

Then from someone who knows a lot the game the tier list changes?
 
Ok Dread I was refering alsoto both revisions. The slide from Sub can be the 2nd best move in the entire game if not by the time you have to wait between one and another. It punish EVERITHING in the game blocked (except karajabs), even if someone hit you with a c.lk or a far missed sweep. It punish Jumps, corner combos, all blocked stuff, is fast and can surprise, is hard topunish it if you are not aware... Its easy to do on reaction etc... Thats what im triying to get into.

I know that you guys (Ded, Soul, dread, etc) know more and are far way better than me at MK1 its just that I find weird that aspect of the tier list.

I dont think that a character can be "better if played well". We are assuming that the user is going to use the char at his fullest.


also hanzo you are a lucky man for having mk1 rev3 on arcade,this is supurb and the tourneys should be played on rev3 great keep the arcade game alive as long as you can :D

Then from someone who knows a lot the game the tier list changes?

the tier list is changing depending of the player individual skills and knowledge,the tier list is composed on characters pros and cons,as you can see rev3 and rev5 have different tier lists,so for example sub zero,i'm calling him the freeze machine lool,i have seen players who use him at rank 7 at his lowest ,if a good player use him he can be a killing machine etc.,same for the other characters,then the tier list is changing for each player,some say scorpion is crazier than sub zero,or kano is super good and etc. but it is their own vision of the characters

hanzo you are really lucky with that rev3 arcade keep it alive as much as you can :D ,also it is perfect for tourneys
 

Mariso

Noob
its just that I find weird that aspect of the tier list.
I know sub,s slide is one of best punishers, i use slide in everything that is possible there in kombination with jabs. Also im playing on gamepad and i can make slide super fast resoulting too punish everything with it. But u gotta understand the tier list is made with consideration of all aspects of the caracter abilities , meaning ninjas have slow stand up lk recovery and terrible upercuts (wich are important too counter a lot of moves like jk,s or close stuff etc..) and makes them considerably low tier in comparisment for example with with Cage who also has BIG and one of best wake up punisher like shadow kick...
 

dubson

Noob
Scorpion is not that good, and is not higher than Sub-Zero.

His spear takes forever to come out and it is very punishable.

He doesnt have as much going for him compared to everyone else...
 
Scorpion is not that good, and is not higher than Sub-Zero.

His spear takes forever to come out and it is very punishable.

He doesnt have as much going for him compared to everyone else...
if scorpion is used right he is becoming a killing machine especially in rev3
 

MKK hanzo

Moderator
if scorpion is used right he is becoming a killing machine especially in rev3
True. aa Hp combos are deadly there hehe. Ah thx for the 3.0 machine prop! I will take care of it believe me!

Dread: I know man its just that it go t confusing for me cause reading "if played well then he is top 2" thats too subjective for the ones that take tiers very seriously.

Thx everyone thread is gettin great
 
True. aa Hp combos are deadly there hehe. Ah thx for the 3.0 machine prop! I will take care of it believe me!

Dread: I know man its just that it go t confusing for me cause reading "if played well then he is top 2" thats too subjective for the ones that take tiers very seriously.

Thx everyone thread is gettin great
besides the ninjas have very good hp,aahp
 
Sonya
Johnny Cage
Raiden
Liu Kang
Sub-Zero
Scorpion

is How I see it
Scorpion is a killer correct but his sweep, uppercut, and teleport and spear are slow.

Sub-Zero's super comes out even if he is attacked which makes him deadly but it's still kinda bad for him because when he's hit and the super comes out and it's blocked, then it's 2x damage for sub-zero.

Liu Kang is higher than Scorpion but lower than raiden. Liu Kang has one of the best roundhouse kicks in the game it can be used in a glitch combo roundhouse+fireball, but other than that he has a slow sweep. One of the best uppercut along with rayden's. His fireball is slow, his flying kick is a damage giver. If blocked could lead to some badass damage.