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ChaosTheory

A fat woman came into the shoe store today...
It also shows that, without a laugh track, a lot of primetime comedy can't hide that it's unfunny to a lot of people.

This one is just smothered in acquiescence/appeasement as the punchline. Bad move anyway... But probably worse when people have recently been seeing multiple real-life examples of normal people being accosted, berated, and intimidated by BLM mobs.



 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Yeah those videos are pretty fucking awful, really infuriating to watch. At least there weren't cops spartan kicking people in the spine like the vid earlier in this thread.

Nobody in their right mind would defend these people though, the actual majority of peaceful and decent people are the BLM members people defend.
 

Onryoki

We all die alone. So love yourself before you go.
@ItsYaBoi
I speak on the issues I want whenever I want. I thought you believed in free speech? You sure do love shutting down someone else’s right to voice his opinion all because he’s from another country and didn’t experience it first hand. That’s quite racist if you ask me.
 

ItsYaBoi

Noob
@ItsYaBoi
I speak on the issues I want whenever I want. I thought you believed in free speech? You sure do love shutting down someone else’s right to voice his opinion all because he’s from another country and didn’t experience it first hand. That’s quite racist if you ask me.
And here is the clincher, you’ve essentially admitted with this post that you don’t know what racism is - yet you’ve tried to lecture people on race relations in the US for a good portion of this thread despite living in Germany. Your opinion actually does mean fuck all here, ESPECIALLY when we have people who actually experience it first hand in the US. It’d be like a gay person from the US telling you how gay people experience things in Germany despite not living there/ever having been there.
 

Onryoki

We all die alone. So love yourself before you go.
And here is the clincher, you’ve essentially admitted with this post that you don’t know what racism is - yet you’ve tried to lecture people on race relations in the US for a good portion of this thread despite living in Germany. Your opinion actually does mean fuck all here, ESPECIALLY when we have people who actually experience it first hand in the US. It’d be like a gay person from the US telling you how gay people experience things in Germany despite not living there/ever having been there.
How exactly? By saying I talk about what I want to talk? Racism has an universal meaning, which you can google. And Wym with “fuck all here”? Isn’t this forum international? Like I said, I’m voicing my own opinions based on my own experiences thoughts and beliefs. Yet, you and this fenix guy are constantly attacking me for it. Again, this forum is a place for people of all countries, meaning everyone in this thread no matter what fucking country they’re from can voice their opinion on the topics discussed within the thread. If you don’t like that, that’s your issue you have to deal with, not mine.
 

NHDR

Noob
The personal attacks on Onryoki in the last couple of pages have been vicious and unjustified, but seeing more moderate perspectives is good for this thread.
Speaking for myself, I try to be rational and logical in how I approach every issue. I work as a lawyer and I actually help people who have been discriminated against, so nothing pleases me more than, for example, suing an employer for that.

At the same time, as a lawyer I also want to see the evidence. And quite frankly, I think one of the biggest issues these days is that people jump to conclusions without getting all the evidence first.
 

Marlow

Premium Supporter
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At the same time, as a lawyer I also want to see the evidence. And quite frankly, I think one of the biggest issues these days is that people jump to conclusions without getting all the evidence first.
It can happen. Especially when there's so much pressure for breaking news and with how fast things can happen and spread on twitter, facebook, and other platforms. My bigger problem though is that there is evidence, but people choose to ignore it and instead focus on alternative facts and narratives and get their news from YouTube sources or political trolls instead of credible sources.
 

jokey77

Character Loyalist
And here is the clincher, you’ve essentially admitted with this post that you don’t know what racism is - yet you’ve tried to lecture people on race relations in the US for a good portion of this thread despite living in Germany. Your opinion actually does mean fuck all here, ESPECIALLY when we have people who actually experience it first hand in the US. It’d be like a gay person from the US telling you how gay people experience things in Germany despite not living there/ever having been there.
Mate, you suggest that you alone see things for what they are. As if there were a single explanation for other opinions, namely that they are rooted in an error. - Although you do bring some good arguments, many others are neither consensual nor compelling (in my opinion).

Let me begin with one thing that I agree with: The further away someone is, the more likely you are to overlook important facts. It is best to understand things that you have perceived yourself. So as a European, I'm pretty sure that I quite often have a wrong idea of what is going on in the US.

In all clarity: I believe that POC perceive some facets of everyday life that I actually do not see. In this respect I am sincerely interested in your world of experience. Please point out important facts that I might not be aware of. Actually this is why I was so interested in the examples of @trufenix a few pages ago. I ask you too: Which facts do you think that I (or @Onryoki ) overlook?

I really see this as my opportunity to broaden my horizon. Thus I would be grateful if you told me what the relevant facts are. At the same time I ask you to correct me, if you see that my opinion is based on wrong facts.

However, it remains my right to judge for myself how I subsequently evaluate such facts. It is quite possible that we form different opinions, both based on the very same facts. - Once we start from the same facts I see no reason why your process of forming opinions should be more convincing than mine (for example).

This distinction between opinions and facts seems to me to be very central.

Furthermore, I would like to point out that people also tend to have a distorted picture of reality when they themselves are affected ('bias'). This is especially true when people feel that they are being treated unfairly. So I recommend to everyone who feels unfairly treated to stay open for self-reflection. To be fair: It is the same when people benefit from a system and convince themselves that this situation was a just one.

So at the end we all should remain open for self-reflection. I believe that the (consensual) truth should be the result of a good discussion. Therefore I try to be honestly open for new facts and ideas. - I think it would be fair, if this was the case on both sides.
 

ItsYaBoi

Noob
How exactly? By saying I talk about what I want to talk? Racism has an universal meaning, which you can google. And Wym with “fuck all here”? Isn’t this forum international? Like I said, I’m voicing my own opinions based on my own experiences thoughts and beliefs. Yet, you and this fenix guy are constantly attacking me for it. Again, this forum is a place for people of all countries, meaning everyone in this thread no matter what fucking country they’re from can voice their opinion on the topics discussed within the thread. If you don’t like that, that’s your issue you have to deal with, not mine.
What does the thread title say? It’s US centric is it not? And yet here you are talking about YOUR experiences which have FUCK ALL to do with racism in the US. It’s okay to have an opinion on these matters and not be American, but you’re trying to overwrite the first hand experiences of POC here who live in the US and tell them how things really are/how to feel. How you think this is okay to do is beyond me. So fucking patronising.

No matter how you spin this, you look like a fool for trying to speak with authority on matters that don’t concern you.

@jokey77 sorry bro but you write a lot for someone who could simply read through the thread, where you’ll have many answers to your questions.
 
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Marlow

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I think that if the police can wantonly murder anybody and face nothing but job loss and or property damage-related charges on behalf of the other people in the area not killed, we have a fundamentally broken system that rewards bloodlust

Over a non-violent offense, too!
It's a totally messed up system. In this particular case though, what charges could have been brought? Maybe involuntary manslaughter? To me that's one of the ways it is so messed up.
 

KingHippo

Alternative-Fact Checker
It's a totally messed up system. In this particular case though, what charges could have been brought? Maybe involuntary manslaughter? To me that's one of the ways it is so messed up.
This is why I don't wish to be the grand jury. They know the deal, better than anyone, that the political will and circumstances necessary to find a police officer guilty of even criminally negligent manslaughter is nearly impossible and not a fight you will win easily or without retribution. Again, broken system where a badge upends human life but treasures property life
 

ChaosTheory

A fat woman came into the shoe store today...
I wonder whether these fools understand that the actions in these videos make excellent campaign content for Trump.
If they don't yet, they will.

Although, in this thread, some guys think this doesn't happen much or even that these qualify as the "mostly peaceful" part of the protest.

Others outright agree with these tactics.
 

ChaosTheory

A fat woman came into the shoe store today...
It's a totally messed up system. In this particular case though, what charges could have been brought? Maybe involuntary manslaughter? To me that's one of the ways it is so messed up.
That's the thing. I'm not a lawyer, but what would you charge? As understand it, the issue people should have is with the warrant in the first place.

So when the cops execute that warrant, they're fired at first, one officer has his femoral artery severed... What is the charge for them returning fire?
 

NHDR

Noob
It's a totally messed up system. In this particular case though, what charges could have been brought? Maybe involuntary manslaughter? To me that's one of the ways it is so messed up.
Agreed, but do keep in mind that this is not exclusive to police officers. Criminals face lesser charges sometimes, are released on bail despite a sketchy history of charges, only to re-offend, and other issues.

The justice system is messed up in general, not just with how it treats police officers.

As for potential claims, could be a case of negligence if suing in civil court. Not familiar with criminal causes of action, but some form of manslaughter sounds accurate.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
I think everyone here agrees in principle with what you are saying, fenix--myself included--but at the same time I'm not going to blindly accept anything anyone says. Onryioki is not being racist or anything against you, I don't think, but you're not giving him a fair chance to respond because you are attacking him constantly.
All I've attacked him with are questions, if he wants to defend himself with answers we can get it on but that's not how he operates go ahead and point to the part where he gave me a fair chance.

Look, I support peaceful protesting (I've done it myself) but its no surprise there has been violence from the police and government because not all of the protests have been peaceful.
First question for you, where? What proof do you have that they exist? Besides someone else's word that it happened. Second, if they exists which is there more of, violent protesting or peaceful protesting? Third, is there any way to deal with the violent protesting without causing violence to the peaceful protestors?

How so? Using the NBA as an example, much of the league is constantly raising awareness and being encouraged to do so (unless we're talking about issues in China, LOL). The NBA's poster boy, LBJ, has been doing nothing but raising awareness. And the NFL has followed right after. Hell, even hockey has participated despite having the least non-white representation compared to basketball and football.
I... What? Do you exist in a bubble? Google any celebrity and blm and see how far it takes to get to an article (probably on Fox news) that attacks their character and integrity. Google Colin Kaepernick, Google Moment of Unity.

Could you please provide more details? Which bills are you referring to?
Just look up Mitch McConnell sitting on bills, or better yet, follow an actual senator or representative on Twitter and get the word from their mouth.

Also, I agree that Trump is scum... but you should really look into the pasts of some of the democratic politicians you are supporting now. For example, Bill Clinton has been used as a figure of endorsement, and... well... yeah, just Google him if you're not up-to-date on all of his misdeeds.
No, I shouldn't because bill Clinton isn't running for president, Donald Trump is. Also, and this is key, you have no idea who I am supporting now. You just made a gigantic egregious assumption based on me being anti Trump. Good job being part of the problem.

I would argue that everyday people like you and myself probably have the biggest voice we've ever had. But I don't think this is what Onriyoki was saying at all.
Oh really, what did onryoki mean? I think once you both explain it to me I'll finally be able to understand.

I get you're frustrated but nobody will want to speak to you if you're calling people idiots and cursing all over the place. I'm coming from a place of respect when I say this (and also because arguing is literally my profession, so I've seen it all).
You miss understand my purpose in posting, my respect in this thread is to the supporters of blm and people who think people like Filipino Champ are fucking stupid. If you're in the other side or even in the middle get fucked, because cutting racists slack is not my bag.

I don't think people are ignoring the issues entirely. Human and civil rights have come a long way since slavery was abolished, no? Are certain issues ignored or not given enough attention? Sure, but as a whole there have been improvements to the system.
I get tired of this please explain to me why you have it so bad crap. LOOK AT THE PROTESTS, FOLLOW BLM ON TWITTER, OR JUST READ MY POSTS. Stop asking systemically oppressed people to dice up their oppression into palatable servings for you to analyze when it's convenient.

No matter how shitty slavery WAS black people are STILL killed every single day in this country with no recourse, often to thunderous applause. Ask yourself if every time you saw a cop or did something illegal no matter how small or appeared to be doing something illegal or just pissed off the wrong person and they decided to call the cops, you could die, or be robbed, or raped, much less simply over charged and given the stigma of criminal or felon or worse and your family would get NOTHING for the trouble. If you could die, literally every day, for doing nothing, would you feel that things had improved? If you knew your co workers were being paid differently or given different opportunities, would you feel things had improved?

You tell me the improvements. People say slavery is gone. They say oppression is gone. But look at the statistics on black people starving, without healthcare or homeless, these are numbers they beat us over the head with. Things are better now, sure you used to get whipped but now you can die in an alley smelling like your own urine. Is it better now that only half the population of black people are fucked right out of the gate and not the full 100?


I think we all understand that you want equality, but I think the issue is that part of BLM's political movement has been focused on "reparations", which to a degree is basically asking for differential treatment. I think part of the message has become unclear and convoluted given the influx of news and information overload.
The fact that you think reparations could be perceived as differential treatment but either excuse or outright excuse the blatant differential treatment on display in this country should give you pause.

Well, technically, BLM's own co-founder, Patrice Cullors, described herself as a "trained" Marxist. I don't think anyone said it to assassinate her character, she said it herself.
Couple things,
  1. The president of the United States gets up on stage and lies to the American people every single night. He has been impeached, he has face sexual harassment claims, he has been openly racist in his business dealings and foreign policies. He has spoken almost treasonously about this country and it's past administrators, including many members of the party that now supports his presidency. If none of that disqualifies you being president of the country, how does being a self declared "Marxist" disqualify anything about blm or it's founder.
  2. What does being a Marxist have to do with blm? What does ANY political affiliation have to do with the assertion that black lives matter? If the issue were truly apolitical blm being Marxist or Communists or socialist shouldn't be relevant since no one is voting them in to office.
Poverty. No matter the race, you put enough people in a room and deny them basic necessities, like food, shelter, and a working toilet, and you will get crime. And crime creates more crime. This goes for any race.
Right. So why are there more of us in poverty in more places than all the other races if not systemic racism? Did we do it to ourselves? Dumb luck? Something in our blood? You're almost there big guy.

Just so you know a bit about me if you choose to read the above, my people were also slaves (we're white). And my country is muchhhhhhh poorer than yours, assuming you live in the U.S.. Where I'm from, there is a lot of corruption and a lot of hardship. Not much opportunity to move up in life, and if you do manage to make a lot of money, the system is very corrupt (funny story, my dad still lives back home, and his employer straight up refused to pay him 6 months of wages. Police didn't do anything, courts didn't do anything. Its been 4 years now).

So as much as America is a racist shit-hole, it also has a lot that works and many things people do not appreciate. To that end, there are many blacks in America who have been celebrated and also had the ability to earn a lot of money, the kind of which some of us will never see.

I'm not denying the existence of racism, but no society will be perfect, and that same goes for America given its population size and long history. But if you look into what's been happening around the world in the past and even recently, you will see that there is a lot of nasty shit going on out there.
How would you feel if somebody in an even shittier country replied to this post and told you listen, it could be a lot worse, you could live where I do. Would you be like actually, you're right, and just mentally excuse all the bad stuff? Or would it still make you mad when you think about your dad, your ancestors, your descendants?

Do you send your father messages that say don't lose heart, I know people who haven't been paid for nine months?

One thing. I have no desire to piss you off or argue with you. So I'd be more than happy to chat and exchange ideas with you, but only if its coming from a good place.
If you have points to make I'm all for hearing them,, but if you're here to tell me you know about systemic racism in America than me, then prepare to battle with someone well entrenched.

I don't know why you people think after watching our friends and family suffer and die every single day our gut reaction is to be reasonable, do you have any idea the level of restraint black people in America show just to get through a day of this shit.
 

ItsYaBoi

Noob
All I've attacked him with are questions, if he wants to defend himself with answers we can get it on but that's not how he operates go ahead and point to the part where he gave me a fair chance.



First question for you, where? What proof do you have that they exist? Besides someone else's word that it happened. Second, if they exists which is there more of, violent protesting or peaceful protesting? Third, is there any way to deal with the violent protesting without causing violence to the peaceful protestors?



I... What? Do you exist in a bubble? Google any celebrity and blm and see how far it takes to get to an article (probably on Fox news) that attacks their character and integrity. Google Colin Kaepernick, Google Moment of Unity.



Just look up Mitch McConnell sitting on bills, or better yet, follow an actual senator or representative on Twitter and get the word from their mouth.



No, I shouldn't because bill Clinton isn't running for president, Donald Trump is. Also, and this is key, you have no idea who I am supporting now. You just made a gigantic egregious assumption based on me being anti Trump. Good job being part of the problem.



Oh really, what did onryoki mean? I think once you both explain it to me I'll finally be able to understand.



You miss understand my purpose in posting, my respect in this thread is to the supporters of blm and people who think people like Filipino Champ are fucking stupid. If you're in the other side or even in the middle get fucked, because cutting racists slack is not my bag.



I get tired of this please explain to me why you have it so bad crap. LOOK AT THE PROTESTS, FOLLOW BLM ON TWITTER, OR JUST READ MY POSTS. Stop asking systemically oppressed people to dice up their oppression into palatable servings for you to analyze when it's convenient.

No matter how shitty slavery WAS black people are STILL killed every single day in this country with no recourse, often to thunderous applause. Ask yourself if every time you saw a cop or did something illegal no matter how small or appeared to be doing something illegal or just pissed off the wrong person and they decided to call the cops, you could die, or be robbed, or raped, much less simply over charged and given the stigma of criminal or felon or worse and your family would get NOTHING for the trouble. If you could die, literally every day, for doing nothing, would you feel that things had improved? If you knew your co workers were being paid differently or given different opportunities, would you feel things had improved?

You tell me the improvements. People say slavery is gone. They say oppression is gone. But look at the statistics on black people starving, without healthcare or homeless, these are numbers they beat us over the head with. Things are better now, sure you used to get whipped but now you can die in an alley smelling like your own urine. Is it better now that only half the population of black people are fucked right out of the gate and not the full 100?




The fact that you think reparations could be perceived as differential treatment but either excuse or outright excuse the blatant differential treatment on display in this country should give you pause.



Couple things,
  1. The president of the United States gets up on stage and lies to the American people every single night. He has been impeached, he has face sexual harassment claims, he has been openly racist in his business dealings and foreign policies. He has spoken almost treasonously about this country and it's past administrators, including many members of the party that now supports his presidency. If none of that disqualifies you being president of the country, how does being a self declared "Marxist" disqualify anything about blm or it's founder.
  2. What does being a Marxist have to do with blm? What does ANY political affiliation have to do with the assertion that black lives matter? If the issue were truly apolitical blm being Marxist or Communists or socialist shouldn't be relevant since no one is voting them in to office.
Right. So why are there more of us in poverty in more places than all the other races if not systemic racism? Did we do it to ourselves? Dumb luck? Something in our blood? You're almost there big guy.



How would you feel if somebody in an even shittier country replied to this post and told you listen, it could be a lot worse, you could live where I do. Would you be like actually, you're right, and just mentally excuse all the bad stuff? Or would it still make you mad when you think about your dad, your ancestors, your descendants?

Do you send your father messages that say don't lose heart, I know people who haven't been paid for nine months?



If you have points to make I'm all for hearing them,, but if you're here to tell me you know about systemic racism in America than me, then prepare to battle with someone well entrenched.

I don't know why you people think after watching our friends and family suffer and die every single day our gut reaction is to be reasonable, do you have any idea the level of restraint black people in America show just to get through a day of this shit.
Pure truth, but you’re wasting your time dude. I don’t think anybody here is willing to learn and change. In society today, somehow changing for the better or admitting that you were wrong has become a sign of weakness. Ignorance and stubbornness reigns supreme.