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MK9 10 year anniversary is coming up in 2021. Revival/backwards compatibility? Remake?

zerosebaz

What's the point of a random Krypt?
I think balance is overrated and MK 9 is an overall better game. Balance aside, I'll just say that I prefer the BS in MK 9 over the bs in MK 11. :) I'm a little confused as to your conclusion however. You said you hate MK 11 yet seemingly feels like you're defending it vs MK 9. I'm guessing you also hate MK 9 as well? Let me just ask you a question, which game do you like better overall. All I want to know, you don't have to go into why unless you want to.
You see, you still haven't answered the question.
I'm curious because I'm not sure if you actually think MK9 has better balance, but for some reason you don't want to actually write it, or if you Don't think MK9 has better balance, but you just refuse to acknowledge there's an aspect MK11 might be better in.
It seems you won't answer the balance question, so let me ask you this, would you say MK9 has better graphics than MK11?
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
You see, you still haven't answered the question.
I'm curious because I'm not sure if you actually think MK9 has better balance, but for some reason you don't want to actually write it, or if you Don't think MK9 has better balance, but you just refuse to acknowledge there's an aspect MK11 might be better in.
It seems you won't answer the balance question, so let me ask you this, would you say MK9 has better graphics than MK11?
Yes I have lol. I said character wise MK 11 may be better balance wise, but gameplay mechanics wise MK 9 is better balance wise because the tools work better. Overall game wise I prefer MK 9. I'm not refusing anything, I explained myself several times it just sounds like you're not satisfied with my answer which I can't help you out there. I answered your question, if you're not going to accept it that's on you dude. Graphics? No, obviously not MK 9 is 2 last gen so naturally all games on last gen won't look at good as this gen. You also ignored my question, which game do you like better overall MK 9 or MK 11 that's all that matters at the end of the day when we play games.
 

CrimsonShadow

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You see, you still haven't answered the question.
I'm curious because I'm not sure if you actually think MK9 has better balance, but for some reason you don't want to actually write it, or if you Don't think MK9 has better balance, but you just refuse to acknowledge there's an aspect MK11 might be better in.
It seems you won't answer the balance question, so let me ask you this, would you say MK9 has better graphics than MK11?
It’s not even worth it man. He’s not going to answer the question directly in any kind of way that makes logical sense.. And he's literally trying to redefine the word 'balance'.

The entire thread has pointed out how ridiculous his talking point is to no avail. And this has been happening for multiple threads now. Probably best to ignore and move on.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
I already answered the question directly but if people like Crimson Shadow can't read properly not my problem. I never tried to redefine anything, pretty sure people like crimson just have selective reading. shrugs At any rate, I don't even care since you guys are just butthurt over the results in my NRS thread. Pity. It's not ridiculous it's just the hard, cold truth you can't accept CS.

You just won't admit the truth that majority on TYM prefer MK 9>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MK 11 and nothing you can do or say will change that.
 

Arqwart

D'Vorah for KP2 copium
1.Ok, first of all actually yes it does mean something given the fact that NRS's first game was MK 9 but clearly you're not the brightest apple in the bin. Only a moron would deny this fact. Disregarding facts tells me you simply have no argument lol.
Still means nothing in the context of my talking point: balance. I don't understand how you don't get that.

Not a ridiculous strawman, it's fact. You want to dickride MK 11 be my guest, I'm not a shill to the game and can recognize as many others here the many flaws of the game as my thread regarding NRS proved.
"A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent."
Please point out where I said MK11 is "perfect compared to MK11" to prove you aren't setting up a blatant strawman.

What does Reo's tier list have to do with anything? He posted it to prove you people wrong making assumptions that "Cyrax is the best character" yet he's not even top 3 in the game.
1- Because I'm talking about balance, though you haven't quite grasped that yet I can see.
2- No he didn't? He literally responded to someone saying "I didnt play MK9, is it true that 9-1s and 8-2s happened fairly often?" There was literally NO Cyrax context to his post whatsoever. Where in the FUCK are you pulling that from?

Well you'd still be wrong then as I've stated that the gameplay mechanics suck and are NOT better than MK 9's, you can scream about it til the cows come home I'm not changing my viewpoint as a top MK 9 player and someone who plays MK in general competitively, oh and you don't need to be in every tourney to know this.
I never mentioned gameplay mechanics, let alone "scream[ed] about it." Irrelevant.

Even a casual player can grasp this concept that MK 11 is not nearly as great as balanced game as you think. Not by a long shot, there's characters like Geras, Kabal, Jacqui, Cage, Cetrion, Sonya, Scorp who literally dominate Kombat League and tourneys if you've actually watched them. Guess what? Mk 9 people complained about Kabal, KL, Kenshi, Cyrax, Sonya showing up too much but from what I've seen in general way more diversity in MK 9 and lower and mid tiers getting farther than any mids or lows in this game. There's a known Sheeva player who got far in MK 9 tourneys she's low af. Crazy Dominican Jr won a combo breaker with Rain....so yeah, talk to me when Raiden in 2nd or 3rd V wins anything, hell at this point even V1. Raijin is the best easily but haven't exactly seen anyone tear anyone up with it now.
So wait a minute, you listed 7 MK11 characters to complain about then only 5 MK9 characters complained about and that results in higher diversity? For mid and lower tiers in MK11, we also have Honeybee with Noob Saibot, Kitana Prime with Jade / Kitana, and Biohazard with Kotal / Kano just to name a few. In addition, please refer to the MK11 Pro Tour Top 8 Character Usage thread to see how diverse even just top 8s are in MK11. 26 characters have had various levels of usage in the top 8. Note that Cetrion, Sonya, Liu Kang, Jacqui, Johnny, Cassie, Kung Lao, Jade, Frost, Kabal, and Nightwolf have obtained grandfinals wins. If you want a parallel to the Sheeva player, Sonicfox went to a grandfinal with Kollector (a character many regarded as bottom 5 before that).

But again, I'm not even talking "character exclusive balance" I'm talking overall game balance which are two entirely different things however, one indirectly effects the other. Example, MK 9's wake ups, breakers, throws, poke system were superior to MK 11 in every way possible. Why? Simply put because they worked. MK 11's are inconsistent, not universal (take Jade's U2 vs oh I dont know Gera's U2 which is far better than most U2's in the game from the arche alone) and let's not forget the fact that wake ups in this game with delay being the ONE and only exception costs defensive meter which is a ripoff. If you're facing someone like Jacqui Upgraded with insane pressure and you have no meter to wake up, you may as well drop the controller.
1- Stating "they simply worked" isn't an argument, it's just biased conjecture.
2- The games having notable differences in baseline gameplay mechanics does not mean one is better balanced than the other. All it means is that the baseline to be balanced around is different. Individual character balance is INFINITELY more important for overall game balance because that's what ends up mattering in the end. If a baseline mechanic better suits one character greatly over most others, that one character can be toned down with how they interact with the baseline mechanic to bring better balance to the game (see: Geras U2 speed nerf). The other end of the balance spectrum can also be true. Take MK11 Kitana U2 as the perfect example: her version of a universal mechanic sucked ass and was buffed on an individual level. Even with what you consider inferior baseline mechanics here in MK11, we don't have any 9-1 or 8-2 matchups and any 7-3s are wild outliers. Meanwhile with MK9's mechanics that "worked," we've got Sheeva with no winning matchups, Kenshi with winning matchups against 87% of the cast, multiple 9-1 and 8-2 matchups, and a LOT of 7-3 matchups.
3- MK9's wakeup system was also ridiculously inconsistent because it mattered entirely on the character's special move options on wakeup. This is the exact same issue as MK11's inconsistency in wakeup power. I do agree that wakeup U2/U3 inconsistency is a notable issue in MK11, but don't try saying that MK9's wasn't lopsided too.

Poke system is flawed since you mentioned REO, ok you are aware he also made a video explaining why pokes suck ass in MK 11 compared to MK 9 right? Throws are too OP you can throw someone from a mere ducking animation and you get thrown easily out of rolls, forward and backwards as well as FB's up close(great armor there)Break Aways? Ha if I have really have to explain why these are ass compared to breakers to you then there really is no hope for you. So yeah not fixated on anything, just telling it how it is but feel free to deny all that.
Yet despite the "fact" that pokes "suck ass" compared to MK9, "throws are too OP," and breakways are "ass compared to breakers," matchups aren't nearly as polarizing in this game as MK9. It's almost like how I mentioned above that these mechanics are a baseline to be balanced around and NRS has done a better job of it here than in MK9.

Bolded part: Considering it's a discussion, I'd prefer if you did instead of going "Oh yeah and this point too, but the entire human race already knows and agrees on one point here so you're a lost cause if you don't." That's some real childish shit right there.

2. Actually it does because my preference aside, nobody by nobody I mean majority on here gives a rats ass about "Balance" as much as people like you. If they did MK 9 wouldn't have won that poll by a landslide over MK 11 now would it? nope.
"I wasn't talking about anything but MK9 balance. Why does all this preference and poll shit matter?" "It does matter cause no one else cares about balance as much as you." Ok great. Why are you responding to me then when that's all I've been talking about? Why do you continue to decide to tack on all this other horseshit that has literally nothing to do with what I'm talking about?

Again, just went through this, character balance is not everything when it comes to defining a solid game. MK 9 was also played multiple tourneys and Evos, you're acting as if the game was rejected by majors and MK 11 is this game lightyears better in balance. It may be a little better with character balance but it sure as hell ain't MUCH, MUCH better than MK 9 for various reasons.
I never said nor have I ever acted as if MK9 was rejected by majors. MK9 literally MADE the NRS tournament scene for the modern era. Yet another strawman you're pulling out your ass.

Umm no has nothing do with "forum drama" as you put it, just more facts that back up my claims. I'm not even talking about the disputes, just the poll results if you actually read what I said guy...
I know you were talking about the poll. For the umpteenth time, I wasn't talking about anything other than balance. Not MK9 as a whole, not MK11 whatsoever, not anyone's preference, not MK9 vs. MK11 - just MK9's balance. As such, that poll being "more facts that back up [your] claims" is entirely irrelevant as it had nothing to do with my argument. For someone saying I need to "actually read what [you] said," you sure don't like to read what I say.

3. Nope, now you're trying to backtrack I didn't take it wrong I called you out on your elitist, arrogant attitude and now you're backpedalling lol. "Rose tinted glasses" implying people can't see past their own preference, lol hypocrite much? What are you doing with Mk 11? lol You're quite amusing I must say.
1- What backtracking? I simply clarified what I meant since you clearly didn't understand it the first time. I still stand by "rose-tinted glasses" because that's exactly what it is: nostalgia blindness of your fond memories interfering with the truth of the matter that MK9 was lopsided as fuck. The only difference here is that you insisted that I was saying all MK9 fans have those glasses when in fact all I said was that people like yourself who try to shrug off the notable balance issues of MK9 are 100% blinded by nostalgia. Nothing about the core game, nothing about having fun with it, nothing about loving the mechanics - just its balance.
2- I've been pretty vocal about things I consider balance issues in MK11 so I don't know what exactly makes me a hypocrite here. Please enlighten me.

Whoever told you that obviously is a troll since I address only the topic at hand, now for people like you I may have to go into vivid detail but you'll just ignore what I say anyway and go back to your elitist formula.
What vivid detail? A forum poll that MK9 is the most loved game, that you and so many others like MK9 more, that MK11 also has balance issues - aka all this other irrelevant stuff that has no bearing on my core point that MK9 was lopsided as fuck?
Bold: Now that is some horrendously laughable shit right here.

I have news for you dude, not everyone on here goes where the wind blows. You need to accept and understand this. That being said my "point of view" according to your logic has no more bearing than your personal opinion about my "reading comprehension, what kind glasses I wear or some fake news rep you label me by" because you happen to disagree with me on this. All of that is irrelevant to me as my personal view is to you.
Your point of view of MK9 being better than MK11 isn't irrelevant to me in a general sense. You're more than welcome to your opinion just as I am mine. Your point of view of MK9 > MK11 IS entirely irrelevant to me in regards to the argument I was making as you brought it forth entirely unprovoked in a discussion it was completely off topic to. THAT is why I'm calling you out for poor reading comprehension cause you cannot seem to fathom the simple fact that all this other stuff you are using as "vivid detail" has absolutely no bearing on the topic at hand.

lol if anything You're the one that needs work in reading comprehension, I've explained myself several times in that thread, this one among others WHY most prefer MK 9 to MK 11 but you just keep parroting the same argument like a broken record "character balance, character balance, character balance" it's rather old and tiresome at this point.
Except.. except my point has literally never been about why people prefer MK9 to MK11. Where in the fuck are you getting this from? Don't come after my reading comprehension when a vast majority of your responses to me may as well have not been written in regards to what I was talking about originally. Jesus Christ, dude.

When did I say you hate MK 9? Again I just said I call it how I see it, you may not hate MK 9 but you're obviously pro MK 11 and put it on this pedestal of perfection the way you talk about it. Yes, yes, yes again with the character balance....while ignoring everything else not just in the game but that effects character balance such as universal gameplay mechanics but feel free to ignore that "boo boo".
Just stop using the word "perfect" or any various form of it. I've never said it. Do I put MK11 up on a pedestal? I can 100% see how it reads that way as I think NRS has done a more solid job balancing it than its predecessors. As for mechanics, please see my point above about that.

Cool story bro, I've been playing MK since MK 1 being an 80's kid and while I can't afford nor have the time to go to majors I've played in plenty of local tourneys at mom and pop joints, Gamestops, Gamechamps and numerous other places that are now gone or relocated over the years with MK games. But at least you've played UMk3 which is easily one of the best MK games ever to this day. FTR and I know this is again my personal preference here but saying it anyway because, UMK3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MK 11 any day. That game is way older but the balance since that's your thing was fantastic with it. Another game of the MK franchises where lows if you were good with them could compete with majority of the roster. Can I say that for MK 11? Nope.
Fascinating. You're the one who asked me which was my first MK game and I figured I'd give a little more "vivid detail" as I'm sure it wouldn't have been enough to you to say UMK3, yet now you just dismiss me with "Cool story bro." @Sutter Pain was so very right about you just being a child.

That all being said, we may as well just agree to disagree because clearly we're going in circles and you have your mindset, I have mine. Let's just move on, shall we?
I just don't understand what there is to "agree to disagree" on here concerning MK9's balance. It was lopsided. VERY lopsided. Anything else here you've decided to bring into this discussion we can agree to disagree on, but it's all a bunch of irrelevant talking points that you have brought up. So.. sure, I guess?

And why do you call me boo boo? Are you trying to scare me or this some sort of flirting tactic you use?lol
No. It's just something I say to people. The second one was just a callback to the first.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Still means nothing in the context of my talking point: balance. I don't understand how you don't get that.



"A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent."
Please point out where I said MK11 is "perfect compared to MK11" to prove you aren't setting up a blatant strawman.



1- Because I'm talking about balance, though you haven't quite grasped that yet I can see.
2- No he didn't? He literally responded to someone saying "I didnt play MK9, is it true that 9-1s and 8-2s happened fairly often?" There was literally NO Cyrax context to his post whatsoever. Where in the FUCK are you pulling that from?


I never mentioned gameplay mechanics, let alone "scream[ed] about it." Irrelevant.
Yes I'm aware of what a strawman argument is as well as your obsession with balance and yes it does mean something as I've made my points using TYM facts that you're denying along with mr. administrator over there on why most prefer MK 9 to MK 11. I don't know what you're talking about with "MK 11 is perfect compared to MK 11" what? Do you mean MK 9? Also, I was being semi sarcastic there because you like MK 11 so much over MK 9 while you seemingly ignore it's flaws. Curious, even though it's clear majority on here agree with me why do you yet only question me? Obviously something I said triggered you and you're like 14 right? Your profile says 14+ ? Oh on Cyrax, I was referring to a certain someone as loyal to MK 11 as you are in here.

Definition of sarcasm

1: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
2a: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual
b: the use or language of sarcasm



So wait a minute, you listed 7 MK11 characters to complain about then only 5 MK9 characters complained about and that results in higher diversity? For mid and lower tiers in MK11, we also have Honeybee with Noob Saibot, Kitana Prime with Jade / Kitana, and Biohazard with Kotal / Kano just to name a few. In addition, please refer to the MK11 Pro Tour Top 8 Character Usage thread to see how diverse even just top 8s are in MK11. 26 characters have had various levels of usage in the top 8. Note that Cetrion, Sonya, Liu Kang, Jacqui, Johnny, Cassie, Kung Lao, Jade, Frost, Kabal, and Nightwolf have obtained grandfinals wins. If you want a parallel to the Sheeva player, Sonicfox went to a grandfinal with Kollector (a character many regarded as bottom 5 before that).
KK, Kano aren't low tier anymore though and no where are Raiden, Skarlet or Kollector....you've listed mids but no lows. I did and again still the same characters in those tourneys. The only one who sticks out there would be Frost and she got major buffs since her release. The rest are upper mid or high tier if not S tier characters. Lower and mids have also won MK 9 tourneys as well like I said earlier Rain, Sheeva, Kitana etc

1- Stating "they simply worked" isn't an argument, it's just biased conjecture.
2- The games having notable differences in baseline gameplay mechanics does not mean one is better balanced than the other. All it means is that the baseline to be balanced around is different. Individual character balance is INFINITELY more important for overall game balance because that's what ends up mattering in the end. If a baseline mechanic better suits one character greatly over most others, that one character can be toned down with how they interact with the baseline mechanic to bring better balance to the game (see: Geras U2 speed nerf). The other end of the balance spectrum can also be true. Take MK11 Kitana U2 as the perfect example: her version of a universal mechanic sucked ass and was buffed on an individual level. Even with what you consider inferior baseline mechanics here in MK11, we don't have any 9-1 or 8-2 matchups and any 7-3s are wild outliers. Meanwhile with MK9's mechanics that "worked," we've got Sheeva with no winning matchups, Kenshi with winning matchups against 87% of the cast, multiple 9-1 and 8-2 matchups, and a LOT of 7-3 matchups.
3- MK9's wakeup system was also ridiculously inconsistent because it mattered entirely on the character's special move options on wakeup. This is the exact same issue as MK11's inconsistency in wakeup power. I do agree that wakeup U2/U3 inconsistency is a notable issue in MK11, but don't try saying that MK9's wasn't lopsided too.
Actually yes is it when it's true and not biased, it's fact.
Actually yes it does, because it indirectly effects how characters play. If you've played every MK to this point you'd know this. No it's NOT infinitely more important because if a universal wake up attack is changed due to weaker properties guess what, it won't work or mean shit vs someone else where it actually does work ie Geras. Also, it's no secret U2 wake ups suck in this game, have no armor and whiff more times than not. Wow a speed nerf...the arch is still better than others U2 as they hit straight in the air up, not diagonally AT the person jumping at you...major difference. The fact that you've just posted that NRS has had to buff, nerf certain wake ups proves my point. This wasn't the case in MK 9 or MK X for those mechanics, just saying. The game isn't fully done yet and still going through changes so your numbers don't really mean much at this point. What's 6-4 today could be 7-3 tomorrow with an update. There wasn't many 901 or 8-2 match ups in MK 9 either, who exactly are you referring to? Because again, I've taken on top Cyrax, Kabal players in MK 9 and competed or won in Xbox tourneys, ranked etc with Sektor, Ermac or Scorp(mid tiers) You go on about MK 11 balance yet show me Skarlet, Jade, Kollector, Raiden etc beating Jacqui, Sonya, Cage, Sub, Geras etc in tournaments? MK 9's wake up wasn't inconsistent, maybe you were but not the game. It worked well and was simple, not to mention didn't have stupid timing to come out. They weren't inconsistent in any regard they could all be punished if you actually blocked or if they whiffed. This game you get punished even IF U3 hits on block or is just out of footsie range where they should hit and you just wasted your meter. Wake ups also didn't cost anything in MK 9 and rolls were much better as they were faster and also didnt cost anything. I don't see how MK 9's were lopsided. At least you agree that MK 11's aren't consistent. If they worked better and were more consistent I wouldn't have as big a issue as I do with this game. Not to mention costs meter, when it shouldn't but that's another story.


Yet despite the "fact" that pokes "suck ass" compared to MK9, "throws are too OP," and breakways are "ass compared to breakers," matchups aren't nearly as polarizing in this game as MK9. It's almost like how I mentioned above that these mechanics are a baseline to be balanced around and NRS has done a better job of it here than in MK9.

Bolded part: Considering it's a discussion, I'd prefer if you did instead of going "Oh yeah and this point too, but the entire human race already knows and agrees on one point here so you're a lost cause if you don't." That's some real childish shit right there.
Wait, who said pokes suck ass in MK 9? Do you mean MK 11? I disagree but to each his own. Some match ups are as lopsided in MK 11 as they were in MK 9. You're telling me Skarlet, Raiden(TW, T&L), Kollector etc vs Jacqui(especially upgraded), J.Cage etc isn't lopsided? lmao ok....so it's childish for me to point out that majority happen to agree with me that MK 9 is an overall better experience and game than Mk 11. Gotcha, because that's not childish at all. Actually that is quite childish and intolerant of others perspectives. Not my problem kid.


"I wasn't talking about anything but MK9 balance. Why does all this preference and poll shit matter?" "It does matter cause no one else cares about balance as much as you." Ok great. Why are you responding to me then when that's all I've been talking about? Why do you continue to decide to tack on all this other horseshit that has literally nothing to do with what I'm talking about?
You're going on about "character balance" as if this is the end all and nothing else matters.....so you don't think it matters even though over 100+ users voted in that topic? Well considering that from that topic all this stuff spawned from and you people keep spewing this shit about "character balance" in MK 9 in like every damn MK 9 related topic I'd say that's why.


I never said nor have I ever acted as if MK9 was rejected by majors. MK9 literally MADE the NRS tournament scene for the modern era. Yet another strawman you're pulling out your ass.
Nope, you're posting another desperate card out of your ass and backpedalling at your philosophy which you've said or implied earlier. You go on about "top 8's at majors more diverse in MK 11 blah, blah, blah" but when I bring up the fact that MK 9 had lots of success at majors and variety at various tourneys you go back to the typical "strawman card" argument.


I know you were talking about the poll. For the umpteenth time, I wasn't talking about anything other than balance. Not MK9 as a whole, not MK11 whatsoever, not anyone's preference, not MK9 vs. MK11 - just MK9's balance. As such, that poll being "more facts that back up [your] claims" is entirely irrelevant as it had nothing to do with my argument. For someone saying I need to "actually read what [you] said," you sure don't like to read what I say.
Yes, I'm aware your "character balance" for the billionth time which you emphasis on. I'm saying most PREFER MK 9 regardless of character balance debates since you know there are OTHER elements to both games as well...but feel free to ignore that and actually read what I said previously.


1- What backtracking? I simply clarified what I meant since you clearly didn't understand it the first time. I still stand by "rose-tinted glasses" because that's exactly what it is: nostalgia blindness of your fond memories interfering with the truth of the matter that MK9 was lopsided as fuck. The only difference here is that you insisted that I was saying all MK9 fans have those glasses when in fact all I said was that people like yourself who try to shrug off the notable balance issues of MK9 are 100% blinded by nostalgia. Nothing about the core game, nothing about having fun with it, nothing about loving the mechanics - just its balance.
2- I've been pretty vocal about things I consider balance issues in MK11 so I don't know what exactly makes me a hypocrite here. Please enlighten me.

What vivid detail? A forum poll that MK9 is the most loved game, that you and so many others like MK9 more, that MK11 also has balance issues - aka all this other irrelevant stuff that has no bearing on my core point that MK9 was lopsided as fuck?
Bold: Now that is some horrendously laughable shit right here.
Irrelevant to you but not to the rest of us who prefer MK 9 over MK 11. So you find the truth laughable? Fascinating!



Your point of view of MK9 being better than MK11 isn't irrelevant to me in a general sense. You're more than welcome to your opinion just as I am mine. Your point of view of MK9 > MK11 IS entirely irrelevant to me in regards to the argument I was making as you brought it forth entirely unprovoked in a discussion it was completely off topic to. THAT is why I'm calling you out for poor reading comprehension cause you cannot seem to fathom the simple fact that all this other stuff you are using as "vivid detail" has absolutely no bearing on the topic at hand.
Not entirely like I said me using prime examples of gameplay being better in universal sense to MK 11 has it's relevance. I'm not talking about "game preference" exclusively but more so WHY and that has to do with balance, again you taking petty, false shots at me does nothing for your credit but make you seem like a snowflake with lack of reading comprehension and a hypocrite again with going off topic.


Except.. except my point has literally never been about why people prefer MK9 to MK11. Where in the fuck are you getting this from? Don't come after my reading comprehension when a vast majority of your responses to me may as well have not been written in regards to what I was talking about originally. Jesus Christ, dude.
Actually I did understand you it's you who is not understanding me though. The fact that your arrogant, ignorant elitism is coming out with your dumb "you're blinded by nostalgia" proves my point as why you people miss the point. I don't like MK 9 out of nostalgia lol I was an 80's kid unlike you I didn't start playing MK 10 years ago with UMK 3 360 port, secondly again the overall game is just a better experience overall regardless of character balance. IDGA shit about character balance in regards to the pedestal you people are putting it on. Again, look up a game called MVC2, you think that game was balanced? Not broken only loaded with infinites? LMAO...yet played competitively and popular for over 10+ years. Ok....did it ever occur to you that people have fun with games regardless of "balance"? Because you seem to be missing this element entirely. You don't have to be perfectly balanced or near perfect to be a good game or a solid competitive game. Oh the fact that you're telling people(this case myself) that I love MK 9 out of "nostalgia and wearing rose tinted glasses" etc whatever other irrelevant snide, ignorant remark you want to make yet you're totally not biased for MK 11 at all....lol that would be how.

Yes but WHY do we love it more? Oh and hint hint it's not fucking nostalgia. Not lopsided af but it's amusing you think that. If it was as lopsided nobody would have played it and just used 1 or 2 characters all the time. So yes I will go after your reading comprehension when you dare attack mine. You don't know me very well so let me in on a secret, I've been doing this a long time dealt with various trolls to Aholes over the years in person and online. I don't back down to anyone nor do I let anyone belittle me. Capiche? So follow your own advice and stick to the topic and save the hypocritical "you're going off topic" bs then bring shit like that up that has no bearing on the topic at hand.

Well you'd still be wrong as it had relevance to my point and FTR, I always got high 90's in English so you'd be wrong again regarding my reading comprehension. If anything you're the one that needs some work, I mean you're making basic mistakes like "MK 11 is perfect compared to MK 11's " so please don't lecture me on basic grammatical mistakes. I mean it's not like you bringing up "reading comprehension" isn't going off topic. Oh. Wait....


Just stop using the word "perfect" or any various form of it. I've never said it. Do I put MK11 up on a pedestal? I can 100% see how it reads that way as I think NRS has done a more solid job balancing it than its predecessors. As for mechanics, please see my point above about that.
Ok, when I say things like "you think it's perfect or put it on a pedestal" I'm being witty and exaggerating a little in case you didn't get that. My point is you people who like MK 11 you can, that's fine but always feel the need to put it light years above MK 9 or even lowball MK 9 for no reason. The reason why I mentioned my NRS topic is because it's painfully obvious the people for Mk 11 in there were triggered by the people who voted for MK 9 when I'm pretty sure I didn't see the MK 9 people attack MK 11 right off the bat but I digress. Point is NRS should naturally improve as time goes one but this doesn't mean they will. Look at COD, Halo, SF and various other franchises. Sometimes you fail even with future installments or if not fail disappoint some fans.


Fascinating. You're the one who asked me which was my first MK game and I figured I'd give a little more "vivid detail" as I'm sure it wouldn't have been enough to you to say UMK3, yet now you just dismiss me with "Cool story bro." @Sutter Pain was so very right about you just being a child.
lol not anymore childish then you attacking someone by mentioning "reading comprehension" now that I bit you back with sarcasm you go all victim on me? tsk tsk tsk. There's an old saying, if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. Those who bring up childish people are indeed childish themselves and that's cute that you felt the need to tag him. Asking for help much? What's wrong, having trouble debating me yourself? lol I love this kid, too funny.


I just don't understand what there is to "agree to disagree" on here concerning MK9's balance. It was lopsided. VERY lopsided. Anything else here you've decided to bring into this discussion we can agree to disagree on, but it's all a bunch of irrelevant talking points that you have brought up. So.. sure, I guess?
Umm we can agree to disagree on balance and preference maybe? Or you can't do that because you're one of these people who has to be right!! Yeah? Now I see why the MK 9 peeps in my topic mocked the MK 11 people trying to belittle them for a mere vote result. Nah, it's just you've ignored my points and continue on with your elitist perspective but that don't work on me, sorry bro. So we can agree to disagree.:D



No. It's just something I say to people. The second one was just a callback to the first.
Um ok then. You can also call me MKF too since that is my name or dude, bro lol, the "boo" is kind of random/weird but whatever.
 
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Jbog

Noob
Mk 11 is so slow and a projectile walk back fest then throw in the annoying poke throw crap and generic combos this game needs an enema quick its getting old really fast.
 

Jbog

Noob
Out of the last 5 nrs titles released id have to say this game has grown stale the fastest for me. Its straight boring
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Mk 11 overrated.

Out of the last 5 nrs titles released id have to say this game has grown stale the fastest for me. Its straight boring
This just something about it gets old fast. I actually prefer the single player modes to online 1 v 1 etc

All gameplay discussion aside I dont think anyone can deny how stupid it is to hide certain rewards exclusively behind things like Kombat League and when they have the krypt events with kl stuff they cheap out with 2 little things, no skins either for a day. So if you dont follow this stuff religiously or log in for a few days you'll miss it.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
MK 11 is the meh game. people hate MK 9 because of MK9DS or they most likely suck in it.

MK 9 and UMK3>>>>>>>>>>>>>MKX>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MK 11. :D
 
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I’d be stoked for an MK9 remake cause I wasn’t playing fighting games when that was out and have heard a ton of good things.
If a remake is not possible or if NRS/WB don't want to spend that kind of time and resources then I would settle for a remaster. I would love to be able to play MK9 on the PS4 with improved visuals/performance. And I don't care what anybody says about MK9's balance or how broken the game supposedly is, MK9 was a hell of a lot of fun to play, and to me that is the most important thing. I'm not here for E-Sports. I really don't give a crap about that whole scene. I'm here to have fun, and MK9 was tons of fun. I don't like how NRS decided to make MK11 more E-Sports focused. Sure, doing that produced a MUCH more balanced game, but at the same time it also sucked all the fun out of the game.
 
MK 11 is the meh game. people hate MK 9 because of MK9DS or they most likely suck in it.

MK 9 and UMK3>>>>>>>>>>>>>MKX>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MK 11. :D
I agree with this. MK11 is just not fun to play. I would much rather play MKX or even Injustice 2. Those games were fun to play. With MK11 I find myself not enjoying the game at all. I don't understand why NRS never did a MK9 remaster. I guess they're scared 98% of the player base would instantly drop MK11 to go and play the MK9 remaster instead. It's no secret that a massive portion of the player base is in agreement that MK11 is not fun to play.
 
Ive never seen anyone defend mk9 as hard as mkf30 then he talks about others being a shill when they dare to say anything positive about mk11. And how many times is he gonna refer to the poll he made lol. Some crazy shit bruh
The only thing MK11 has going for it are the visuals. The game looks good. That's it. When it comes to actually playing the game MK11 is boring and frustrating. And don't even get me started on how badly they screwed up the single player aspect of the game. Hitting yourself in the balls with a hammer is more fun than playing Towers Of Time.

"Boring and frustrating" is the perfect way to summarise MK11.
 
At what cost MK11 archieves better character balance? By just making most of the characters play the same resulting in a boring game. Similar projectiles, wakeups etc.

MK9's character balance was a mess but the game had a bigger outplay potential, meaning the better player could easily win a 4-6 or even 3-7 matchup, unlike MK11.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
I love it how hellbringer totally ignores the fact that most for MK 11 talk down to MK 9 fans as if they're better or their view is fact. But I'm not even going to get into this because this was already addressed(not just by me mind you) in my NRS poll thread. Also, dude Hell I'm not the only one on here who prefers MK 9 to MK 11 lol you act like I am or sticks up for it and I never said it was perfect or anything. You guys pro MK 11 attacked those of us who prefer MK 9 first and my thread is proof of that, what's funny is you wonder why people call others shills when others call MK 9 people "wearing rose tinted glasses or blinders for nostalgia" can't have it both ways dude. You will ignore that but wonder why some people call MK 11 people shills. You haven't read the daily statuses have you? A lot of them are about how much people dislike MK 11 and they're not all from me lol

@Sutter Pain Here. https://testyourmight.com/threads/best-nrs-game-of-the-decade.72478/
 
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MK 11 is the meh game. people hate MK 9 because of MK9DS or they most likely suck in it.

MK 9 and UMK3>>>>>>>>>>>>>MKX>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MK 11. :D
Like seriously. I thought it was impossible to make a worse game than MKX. Then NRS creates this shit :p
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Someone's getting reported.

Like seriously. I thought it was impossible to make a worse game than MKX. Then NRS creates this shit :p
Same. MK 9 and MK X aren't perfect and do have their flaws, but at least they're consistent and straight forward. MK 11 just feels like a rushed mess to be honest, the grind is so not worth it, the fact that they force us to play ranked just for cool shit is so dumb and your previous point pretty much sums up how I feel about it gameplay wise lol. There are vids out there of a few great Sheeva players in MK 9 getting far and even to Grand Finals in one if not a few tourneys. She's low tier af lol. But notice you see Raiden, Kollector, Skarlet etc get that far in any tourney in MK 11? Nope. :D
 
Someone's getting reported.


Same. MK 9 and MK X aren't perfect and do have their flaws, but at least they're consistent and straight forward. MK 11 just feels like a rushed mess to be honest, the grind is so not worth it, the fact that they force us to play ranked just for cool shit is so dumb and your previous point pretty much sums up how I feel about it gameplay wise lol. There are vids out there of a few great Sheeva players in MK 9 getting far and even to Grand Finals in one if not a few tourneys. She's low tier af lol. But notice you see Raiden, Kollector, Skarlet etc get that far in any tourney in MK 11? Nope. :D
Exactly. The only tournament that has different characters at top 8 was frosty but that was not a major and the top players did not attend.

Also funny how you are forced to play ranked against 150 wifi players and NRS doesn't give a shit to give you an option to set highest acceptable ping and wifi filter.

It's just impossible to enjoy playing MK11, no matter how hard you try, everything is so wrong with it (Opinion).
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Exactly. The only tournament that has different characters at top 8 was frosty but that was not a major and the top players did not attend.

Also funny how you are forced to play ranked against 150 wifi players and NRS doesn't give a shit to give you an option to set highest acceptable ping and wifi filter.

It's just impossible to enjoy playing MK11, no matter how hard you try, everything is so wrong with it (Opinion).

Yeah I was wondering about that regarding the players but maybe they were busy or something. Yes that too, I tried it on both wireless and wired same thing. They force you to play those people with bad connections. Like what the hell...I agree with your opinion, that's my opinion.

Check your IM btw when you get a chance.