Kotal Kahn General Discussion

Mandolore1123 · May 28, 2019

Do you guys use medium or short input window? I find I get DF2 on Kotal when I am crouch-blocking and do F2, but it seems harder to wave dash with shorter input window.

Qwark28 · May 28, 2019

D1 on hit jails into 221

The irony is that its a just frame and S2 must be the single trashiest and most sluggish normal I've ever seen in a fighting game. 9f startup jab with 25f recovery? The move feels like its 20f.

KotalKahnIsTrueKahn · May 28, 2019

Qwark28 said:
D1 on hit jails into 221

The irony is that its a just frame and S2 must be the single trashiest and most sluggish normal I've ever seen in a fighting game. 9f startup jab with 25f recovery? The move feels like its 20f.

Wait, so they can't d1 through 221 after you land a d1?

How about on female hitboxes?

Qwark28 · May 28, 2019

KotalKahnIsTrueKahn said:
Wait, so they can't d1 through 221 after you land a d1?

How about on female hitboxes?

Haven't tested.

It's stupid anyway, you need to be frame perfect and theres a patch right around the corner.

KotalKahnIsTrueKahn · May 28, 2019

Aight, aight, thanks for the info. For now, I will try it. Most people online disrespect Kotal after he does a d1 anyways.

John Grizzly · May 28, 2019

I got really sick of seeing so many Kotals on stream during Combo Breaker. He really needs to be normalized.

chief713 · May 28, 2019

Qwark28 said:
D1 on hit jails into 221

The irony is that its a just frame and S2 must be the single trashiest and most sluggish normal I've ever seen in a fighting game. 9f startup jab with 25f recovery? The move feels like its 20f.

I think it's a bit easier with F1. Neither F1 or 2 works on female hurtboxes tho. I've tried

Qwark28 · May 28, 2019

chief713 said:
I think it's a bit easier with F1. Neither F1 or 2 works on female hurtboxes tho. I've tried

F1 doesn't jail.

chief713 · May 28, 2019

Qwark28 said:
F1 doesn't jail.

Except it does lol

Qwark28 · May 28, 2019

chief713 said:
Except it does lol

I'll test it myself because I know for a fact it doesn't jail on some characters, from what I remember anyway. Frame data wise it doesn't make sense, D1 is +10, F1 is 10, 11f first active. It shouldn't.

Trini_Bwoi · May 28, 2019

Qwark28 said:
I'll test it myself because I know for a fact it doesn't jail on some characters, from what I remember anyway. Frame data wise it doesn't make sense, D1 is +10, F1 is 10, 11f first active. It shouldn't.

Crouching takes a frame, I think.

Qwark28 · May 28, 2019

Trini_Bwoi said:
Crouching takes a frame, I think.

That was never a thing in mk games IIRC.

Qwark28 · May 28, 2019

Just tested it out, extremely inconsistent and I can only do it vs sz, nobody else.

This isn't consistent, not a thing at all. Either it's inconsistent/glitchy AF or a 1f, which is completely unreliable.

edit: from testing, sometimes it hits meaty and is +11f, no wonder. Not only do you need to hit it meaty, but it's also a 1F.

So no, jailing f1 is not a thing.

Trini_Bwoi · May 28, 2019

Qwark28 said:
That was never a thing in mk games IIRC.

If someone is -7 you can hit them with a 7 frame normal if they try to neutral crouch after.

Qwark28 · May 28, 2019

Trini_Bwoi said:
If someone is -7 you can hit them with a 7 frame normal if they try to neutral crouch after.

Proof pls.

chief713 · May 28, 2019

Qwark28 said:
Just tested it out, extremely inconsistent and I can only do it vs sz, nobody else.

This isn't consistent, not a thing at all. Either it's inconsistent/glitchy AF or a 1f, which is completely unreliable.

edit: from testing, sometimes it hits meaty and is +11f, no wonder. Not only do you need to hit it meaty, but it's also a 1F.

So no, jailing f1 is not a thing.

You REALLY hate being wrong lol

Qwark28 · May 28, 2019

chief713 said:
You REALLY hate being wrong lol

Well we're 2 ppl testing it here for 20 mins so if you wanna not be a bitch and actually explain with facts why you think it's a legit thing that'd be nice.

I have 6 tournaments to travel to lined up, I'd definitely hate for my char to have consistent jailing, you're right.

chief713 · May 28, 2019

Qwark28 said:
Well we're 2 ppl testing it here for 20 mins so if you wanna not be a bitch and actually explain with facts why you think it's a legit thing that'd be nice.

Lmao it's just as not-useful as S2 jailing (which you didn't even test on females before you ran here to post it). I said it was easier for me to execute. Not that it was gdlk and made Kotal S++ tier.

You getting so triggered over your "authority" getting challenged lol

Qwark28 · May 28, 2019

chief713 said:
Lmao it's just as not-useful as S2 jailing (which you didn't even test on females before you ran here to post it). I said it was easier for me to execute. Not that it was gdlk and made Kotal S++ tier.

You getting so triggered over your "authority" getting challenged lol

What authority even. I asked you a question then went into the lab with an offline buddy and posted what I found, then you projected your being triggered.

I even said s2 is not good, they're both absolutely garbage. More projecting tho.

You do you buddy, typical tym.

chief713 · May 28, 2019

It's amazing that you can't see how condescending you are. Typical TYM indeed

Qwark28 · May 28, 2019

chief713 said:
It's amazing that you can't see how condescending you are. Typical TYM indeed

You literally replied to me labbing the move telling me I'm triggered. Get your head out of your ass.

Tony at Home · May 28, 2019

Convenient timing here, I was just playing with this.

Jailing works oddly different if someone is holding down+block or just down or down+furiously mashing d1

I was testing using d4 to see what distances I could jail into f1 or microdash+f1

Sometimes it would "jail" as far as holding crouch block wouldn't cause the high to whiff but would still whiff via neutral duck.

Sometimes it would jail as far as they'd get hit if they just tried to neutral duck but mashing d1 would cause a whiff (i suspect attack startup cancels the "crouch startup"?)

I only had 20 minutes to test this morning and didn't think super hard about recording my results so take it all with a grain of salt

(Tested using Kitana)

Qwark28 · May 28, 2019

Tony at Home said:
Convenient timing here, I was just playing with this.

Jailing works oddly different if someone is holding down+block or just down or down+furiously mashing d1

I was testing using d4 to see what distances I could jail into f1 or microdash+f1

Sometimes it would "jail" as far as holding crouch block wouldn't cause the high to whiff but would still whiff via neutral duck.

Sometimes it would jail as far as they'd get hit if they just tried to neutral duck but mashing d1 would cause a whiff (i suspect attack startup cancels the "crouch startup"?)

I only had 20 minutes to test this morning and didn't think super hard about recording my results so take it all with a grain of salt

(Tested using Kitana)

Yeah I was testing it with Nikolas and he told me that's how he tests anything to do with crouch or jailing. He records the ai mashing low pokes bc there might be hitbox inconsistencies or properties

BanTheTesters · May 28, 2019

hey guys been playing kotal a bit i dig him but i just had a few questions:
what string should i be using to punish unsafe opponent string?

And i also keep getting db2 when i try to input db4...?

Kotal is really rough in this one definitely trying to make him work but i keep getting hit out of strings etc.

Trini_Bwoi · May 28, 2019

Qwark28 said:
Proof pls.

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