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Juggs

Lose without excuses
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I’m telling y’all, Misery Blade is a MUST HAVE for Scorpion. Unless you’re playing him strictly reactionary and footsies, you’re gonna get punished on everything you do unless you’re playing bad players. The question is what’s variation move should be used with it? So far, Demon Dash has been the best option for me.
 

Bloodfang

The Immortal Tiger
I only say that Scorp may need a slight buff of some sort (safety, dmg, etc) ONLY on the grounds that in current state IF we see ANY pro play him at all, we will ONLY see Misery Blade builds with ZERO variation and it will get insanely boring fast I think.
 

Cobainevermind87

Mid-match beer sipper
I’m telling y’all, Misery Blade is a MUST HAVE for Scorpion. Unless you’re playing him strictly reactionary and footsies, you’re gonna get punished on everything you do unless you’re playing bad players. The question is what’s variation move should be used with it? So far, Demon Dash has been the best option for me.
That's what Silverrye is running I think
 

Bloodfang

The Immortal Tiger
This is true until you play vs MKDA, MKvsDC, or MKX Scorp. :cool:
I can't argue MKDA or MKvsDC well but I didn't have any experience of the safety you speak of. Relative to other appearances? Maaaybe. But not compared to others in that same game. As for MKX, Scorpion was only relatively safe if you could master HF run cancels which not everybody could do (myself especially).
 

THTB

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I can't argue MKDA or MKvsDC well but I didn't have any experience of the safety you speak of. Relative to other appearances? Maaaybe. But not compared to others in that same game. As for MKX, Scorpion was only relatively safe if you could master HF run cancels which not everybody could do (myself especially).
MKDA Scorp had a high-priority poke that was cancellable into a backdash, and everything else he did was safe, too. It was exceedingly safe. MKvsDC Scorp had a lot of safe options. MKX Scorp still had Ninjutsu, where f2 was safe except for like just outside of point blank.
 

Bloodfang

The Immortal Tiger
I respect your points and concede ignorance on the MKvsDC for the most part but the other example are like one or two moves out of an entire movelist, lol? Like I said relatively safe by Scorpion standards but not when compared to the rest of the roster in that game. There's a good reason you almost never see him in high level touraments and almost never winning one, lol.
 
People mentioned staggering with f3 and f34. I think it's a useless gimmick because d1 interrupts that string.
IDK why some of you guys insist on being so stubborn lol. If you wanna be safe, equip Misery Blade lol.

Just because a string has a gap doesn’t make it bad. F3 has very little recovery frames, so you should use it for tick throw setups.

Again, some of you are playing like it’s MKX. You don’t have to constantly pressure...meter is literally FREE! You have to play him in a defensive style, or you’ll keep getting bopped.

It’s even harder to play him without Misery Blade because all you have is d4 and max distance B1.
 
IDK why some of you guys insist on being so stubborn lol. If you wanna be safe, equip Misery Blade lol.

Just because a string has a gap doesn’t make it bad. F3 has very little recovery frames, so you should use it for tick throw setups.

Again, some of you are playing like it’s MKX. You don’t have to constantly pressure...meter is literally FREE! You have to play him in a defensive style, or you’ll keep getting bopped.

It’s even harder to play him without Misery Blade because all you have is d4 and max distance B1.
All the strings for the characters are safe except Scorpion. Skarlet has every special move safe and normals that reach half the screen and safe mostly. What is the point of 9 special moves for Scorpion if we all just gonna use misery blade and takes 2 spots??? Scorpions needs some safe options. Also why on earth did they remove the cancel from his 2 strings
 

Scoot Magee

But I didn't want to dash
IDK why some of you guys insist on being so stubborn lol. If you wanna be safe, equip Misery Blade lol.

Just because a string has a gap doesn’t make it bad. F3 has very little recovery frames, so you should use it for tick throw setups.

Again, some of you are playing like it’s MKX. You don’t have to constantly pressure...meter is literally FREE! You have to play him in a defensive style, or you’ll keep getting bopped.

It’s even harder to play him without Misery Blade because all you have is d4 and max distance B1.
Never said f34 was bad, I just think the stagger is a gimmick. I'm also using misery blade.
 
I'm terrible at cancels. I mained Hellfire Scorpion with out any HF Cancels. Lol. Misery Blade is kinda cool but not my style and I can't seem to make it work like others. I have to play entirely off of mindgames/reads like I always have. High risk High reward Scorpion for me, lol.

MAD respect to those who get cancels/cancel pressure to work 'cause I am too mediocre for that. I can only use Misery Blade for added mixups, lol.
The misery blade cancels are nothing like MKX hellfire cancels. If you could do the combos you mentioned day 1 then I'm positive with a little practice you can get the execution for misery blade.
 
All the strings for the characters are safe except Scorpion. Skarlet has every special move safe and normals that reach half the screen and safe mostly. What is the point of 9 special moves for Scorpion if we all just gonna use misery blade and takes 2 spots??? Scorpions needs some safe options. Also why on earth did they remove the cancel from his 2 strings
ll his other specials suck bro lol. t least you can use the best ones at the same time.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Premium Supporter
I only say that Scorp may need a slight buff of some sort (safety, dmg, etc) ONLY on the grounds that in current state IF we see ANY pro play him at all, we will ONLY see Misery Blade builds with ZERO variation and it will get insanely boring fast I think.
Yeah that’s fine with me. I really don’t know what they could do for you not to want to use Misery Blade. Without it Scorpion is probably not going to see any tournament play. With it you’ll probably see him often. Scorpion with MB is a very solid character.

Yes, it’s very unfortunate that you NEED MB. I completely understand. But, again, I don’t mind it. Probably because I use it in all my variations, lol. It’s so damn fun to use!

Side note, played a very good Baraka just before I left to go to the airport (at the airport now). He wasn’t falling for any of my mixups, frame traps, was teching most of my throws, was break awaying at the right times, was using wakeups, was playing footsies, etc. We went even, 5-5 then I had to leave. Even though Baraka can’t sit there and zone Scorpion, at certain range it’s hard to react teleport Baraka’s projectile (because of the teleport startup). And he wasn’t falling for ANY of my Misery Blade cancels or mixups. So I can tell you right now that Scorpion should never ever get nerfed in this game. He will only maybe get buffs. But Misery Blade definitely has a lot of gaps even if you cancel it then do a d1.

I’ll get more games in with him (that player) when the game launches. We added eachother, it’s very clear when you run into another good competitive minded player. So I always says GGs to them and add them.
 
Yeah if you have two bars and Demon Dash special you can get 31+% off any successful hit but with one bar the best I've gotten is like 27-28% I think. This is without krushing blows mind you. He could use EITHER a small damage buff all around to make his risky attacks more "rewarding" OR make his basic Spear recapture again (switch the amped for non-amped but make sword slash do more dmg with hard knockdown) so doing 20+% dmg off a good read occurs more frequently like it does for most of the other characters in Beta. As is without meter and no krushing blow I usually get like 15-17% dmg off a hit confirm.

Edit: Aside from Misery Blade IF you have the skills and execution to use it right, Demon Dash HAS to be his best new move, lol. So much utility and damage as combo ender. Demon Breath is cool too especially because you get the klassic Toasty back as a Brutality (which for me is damn near mandatory, lo)! I wish his special combos ability didn't require the Chain Spin and Chain Spin should NOT be a two slot move, lol. That way the chain variation could also get the Spear Buff move it needs to be good. It's okay but not a game winner. Sin Blade NJP should be removed and replaced with something new and better. NJP is unnecessary, not worth a precious move slot, and only one character having it is dumb. Fireball needs to hit if it comes in contact with opponent or ground and not just ground, lol. Weird mechanic but not a deal breaker.

I love his klassic Air Throw but has ANYONE figured out how to combo into it because that would be swaggy as hell, lol.
Seen ppl land it after amped teleport but it ends the combo
 

Bloodfang

The Immortal Tiger
The misery blade cancels are nothing like MKX hellfire cancels. If you could do the combos you mentioned day 1 then I'm positive with a little practice you can get the execution for misery blade.
I appreciate the vote of confidence in my abilities, lol. To be fair it's more like day 3 or 4 as I did play the Stress Test a little when I wasn't stuck working, lol. Adult responsibilites suck. Anywho, the combos I listed don't take too much execution. Once you've gotten one of the down the rest are literally the same combo from any started. It's like the 90's WCW era Diamond Cutter of BNBs. Can pull that shit outta anywhere, lol. Don't get me wrong I can definitely use the Misery Blade for added mixups it's just the really quick MisBlade and Cancel to get safety in seconds execution I seem to REALLY struggle with. I cannot make the recovery to be safe to well literally save my life. I seem to do better just going off mixup mindgames and reads. I'll keep at it from time to time though. Scorpion is my main so it bugs me that he has a tool/advantage I can't use. That stung alot in MKX with HF run cancels but I was just unable to do it fast enough.
 
I appreciate the vote of confidence in my abilities, lol. To be fair it's more like day 3 or 4 as I did play the Stress Test a little when I wasn't stuck working, lol. Adult responsibilites suck. Anywho, the combos I listed don't take too much execution. Once you've gotten one of the down the rest are literally the same combo from any started. It's like the 90's WCW era Diamond Cutter of BNBs. Can pull that shit outta anywhere, lol. Don't get me wrong I can definitely use the Misery Blade for added mixups it's just the really quick MisBlade and Cancel to get safety in seconds execution I seem to REALLY struggle with. I cannot make the recovery to be safe to well literally save my life. I seem to do better just going off mixup mindgames and reads. I'll keep at it from time to time though. Scorpion is my main so it bugs me that he has a tool/advantage I can't use. That stung alot in MKX with HF run cancels but I was just unable to do it fast enough.
In MKX you had to time the startup of the fireball and start pressing 3 buttons fast at the right time, then immediately your whatever attack after it. Lots of buttons fast at the right timing. It was genuinely hard to do and only people with solid execution and also with enough practice could do it right and consistently, Misery blade cancel in this game is no where near as difficult. Trust me you will get it.
 

Jhonnykiller45

Shirai Ryu
Yeah I dunno. Misery Blade is really cool, like, it really is. But I'm already tired of the fact it's the only viable option for him. Hope that changes on launch.
 

Bloodfang

The Immortal Tiger
I guess I just kinda feel like it was so nice to finally see Scorpion use the chain dart properly in game and the demon dash/breath are so cool it's a shame that his other specials are so completely outclassed by a generic sword stance that could just as easily fit so many other characters from the franchise. It's also just not as fun (for me anyway) to use or watch comparatively. I think the downward stab overhead should also be the overhead thats the 2nd hit of his B2 attack. The down stab just looks awkward to me and lacks range. I dunno the Misery Blade stance is great it just doesn't scream "Scorpion" to me like his chain and fire attacks do. 'Tis a shame none of them will see any real labbing or pro use because the more dull Misery Blade is simply too mechanically superior but more boring (again imo only) to watch/use.
 

Zhidoreptiloid

Watcher from the sky
Misery blade is great option.
First, if your opponent press buttons, you make 3 with fast mid.
Then, when he will respekt you, you make cancel and throw.
Then, he will wait for throw and try to make throw escape, you can cancel, go away, and punish whiffed d1 or d2 with b1.
Misery blade 3 and 1 >>>>> Misery blade 4 and 2, so called "mixups"