Suggested Nerfs without destroying the character?

[xKhaoTik]

I remember in I1 when she had armor on catdash, crazy unclashable damage with f3, an even better b3, unreactable 50/50s, an even better j2 ON TOP of the things she has now including the staggers, the trait, the damage, etc and I don’t remember any of this crying back then

Only thing new she really got in this game was b2 and walkspeed

If this is “broken” or “op” to you guys, then y’all really need to re-evaluate the definition. You guys are crying just to cry

 

[Rex24]

It's already possible to OS a poke and fuzzy the overhead.

This. Why does it seem like a lot of the complains are coming from people who didn’t bother to lab well against her

 

[TamedLizard]

Are you sure it's still consistently punishable full screen?

Are you on ps4 by chance?

Yep. Should get a clean D1 punish every time on mb cat dash from full screen.

And yeah PSN is The_RobotDevil, feel free to add me.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I remember in I1 when she had armor on catdash, crazy unclashable damage with f3, an even better b3, unreactable 50/50s, an even better j2 ON TOP of the things she has now including the staggers, the trait, the damage, etc and I don’t remember any of this crying back then

Only thing new she really got in this game was b2 and walkspeed

If this is “broken” or “op” to you guys, then y’all really need to re-evaluate the definition. You guys are crying just to cry

Not saying I agree with all the crying, there definitely is way too much of that going on, but that Catwoman wasn't complained about because she was in a game with Martian Manhunter, Batgirl, Zod, Aquaman, Flash, and Bane. Or even Deathstroke, Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman, she wasn't as good as. But her tools really stand out in Injustice 2 when the characters generally aren't as ridiculous as their Injustice 1 versions.

 

[TamedLizard]

I remember in I1 when she had armor on catdash, crazy unclashable damage with f3, an even better b3, unreactable 50/50s, an even better j2 ON TOP of the things she has now including the staggers, the trait, the damage, etc and I don’t remember any of this crying back then

Only thing new she really got in this game was b2 and walkspeed

If this is “broken” or “op” to you guys, then y’all really need to re-evaluate the definition. You guys are crying just to cry

You know, it's kind of funny. I've had similar thoughts and have mentioned before that you could argue she only seems busted because of how balanced the game is overall. Same for Supergirl.

But ultimately, I suppose you can't overlook that her and Supergirl still stand head and shoulders above the rest in the current state of the game due to no real weaknesses.

 

[xKhaoTik]

You know, it's kind of funny. I've had similar thoughts and have mentioned before that you could argue she only seems busted because of how balanced the game is overall. Same for Supergirl.

But ultimately, I suppose you can't overlook that her and Supergirl still stand head and shoulders above the rest in the current state of the game due to no real weaknesses.

Not saying I agree with all the crying, there definitely is way too much of that going on, but that Catwoman wasn't complained about because she was in a game with Martian Manhunter, Batgirl, Zod, Aquaman, Flash, and Bane. Or even Deathstroke, Wonder Woman, Superman, and Batman, she wasn't as good as. But her tools really stand out in Injustice 2 when the characters generally aren't as ridiculous as their Injustice 1 versions.

So instead of nerfing, they need to just bring everyone else up to par

 

[Dankster Morgan]

So instead of nerfing, they need to just bring everyone else up to par

I like how most of the characters are now, Id rather they stay as is, and if that means CW does too, thats okay.

 

[xKhaoTik]

I like how most of the characters are now, Id rather they stay as is, and if that means CW does too, thats okay.

Buff Ivy tho lol

 

[TamedLizard]

So instead of nerfing, they need to just bring everyone else up to par

I mean, I'm cool with that, but I don't foresee it working out too well balance wise lol. At least short term.

Inb4 Adam gets that mid.

 

[GJX7]

Her B3 should have much more recovery on whiff
All of her meterless launchers should at LEAST - 6
Some things are plus for no reason such as 1F2, that should be like -2 or -3

 

[Vengeance135]

Buff Ivy tho lol

Joker trash though lol they had 4 years to bring him up to par... buff him first lol

 

[Rex24]

Her B3 should have much more recovery on whiff
All of her meterless launchers should at LEAST - 6
Some things are plus for no reason such as 1F2, that should be like -2 or -3

SMH
All of her meter less launchers are already at least -6 on block, except for 33b2 because it has 2 gaps in it

 

[Vengeance135]

Yep. Should get a clean D1 punish every time on mb cat dash from full screen.

And yeah PSN is The_RobotDevil, feel free to add me.

Alrighty sir will do!

 

[Error]

I remember in I1 when she had armor on catdash, crazy unclashable damage with f3, an even better b3, unreactable 50/50s, an even better j2 ON TOP of the things she has now including the staggers, the trait, the damage, etc and I don’t remember any of this crying back then

Only thing new she really got in this game was b2 and walkspeed

If this is “broken” or “op” to you guys, then y’all really need to re-evaluate the definition. You guys are crying just to cry

Aquaman was better in Injustice 1, guess no one should've complained about him in 2. Ivan Ooze was busted in whatever game he was in, no complaining about Kabal. See how this doesn't really hold up?

Most characters in injustice 1 were more busted in IGAU, that was one of the selling points of the game. Injustice 2 is a completely different game and how people felt about things in IGAU doesn't matter because it's a completely different context balance-wise. The meta in IGAU didn't favor Catwoman's strengths nor did she have the match-up chart she has now, which puts her and Supergirl in tiers of their own.

 

[Vengeance135]

Aquaman was better in Injustice 1, guess no one should've complained about him in 2. Ivan Ooze was busted in whatever game he was in, no complaining about Kabal. See how this doesn't really hold up?

Most characters in injustice 1 were more busted in IGAU, that was one of the selling points of the game. Injustice 2 is a completely different game and how people felt about things in IGAU doesn't matter because it's a completely different context balance-wise. The meta in IGAU didn't favor Catwoman's strengths nor did she have the match-up chart she has now, which puts her and Supergirl in tiers of their own.

This man just spit facts. What I don't understand is why catwoman was allowed to stay pretty much the same but they nerfed joker for this game when he was already the worst character in injustice 1. My mind was blown.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

This man just spit facts. What I don't understand is why catwoman was allowed to stay pretty much the same but they nerfed joker for this game when he was already the worst character in injustice 1. My mind was blown.

They wanted a strong independent woman who need no man at the top of the tier list and we actually got 2 :')

That's why

 

[Rex24]

This man just spit facts. What I don't understand is why catwoman was allowed to stay pretty much the same but they nerfed joker for this game when he was already the worst character in injustice 1. My mind was blown.

She was not allowed to stay same, her 1f2 and whips were hard knockdown , her f1 was an overhead, she had a cat dash that would launch meter less, she had cat claws that would launch meterless , you want me to go On?

 

[Rex24]

This man just spit facts. What I don't understand is why catwoman was allowed to stay pretty much the same but they nerfed joker for this game when he was already the worst character in injustice 1. My mind was blown.

And I think NRS just hates joker idk why they can’t make him better

 

[Vengeance135]

She was not allowed to stay same, her 1f2 and whips were hard knockdown , her f1 was an overhead, she had a cat dash that would launch meter less, she had cat claws that would launch meterless , you want me to go On?

Oh my bad, you right. You can keep going on if you want. What I was saying Is she Is still virtually the same character. She's regarded as the best character in the game while joker has been the worst for the past 2 games now. The only point I was making lol

 

[Vengeance135]

They wanted a strong independent woman who need no man at the top of the tier list and we actually got 2 :')

That's why

Yeah you right lol

 

[MysTiiK_V]

Yeah... No it's definitely 6-4 in her favor. How is it even? Lol

nahh lol its 5-5

 

[Vengeance135]

nahh lol its 5-5

Are you trolling? Lol I mean if you really think that then explain why

 

[Basic Stupidity]

This is how I would nerf her:

- B3 doesn't low profile at all. Period.... like take away literally the whole low profiling frames and extend the hurtbox for the whole animation.

- J2 has a worse hitbox or make it like -6 on block (deep version of course) so it's still safe but she doesn't get any pressure on block off it

OR make it a high like Kitana's J1 and give it more recovery... it would still be great to jump in at a far range on a read against projectiles but it could get trip guarded so she would have to use it on a hard read and rely more on J1.

- Backdash now has an increased vertical hurtbox

- 1F2 is now -5 on block or keep it +2 but make it a mid.

- increase the scaling on her meterless launchers (especially 33b2)

- Make 33b2 -6, make the last hit a mid (so people can os a poke) and make it have less pushback.
Also fix the string against Green Arrow!!

It's quite a list but it's not that big deal... she would still be top 10 probably but right now she is too much in the damage, offense and defense departments... what these nerfs do is nerf her in every one of those aspects but she will still have good options.
Her backdash would still be long, her J2 could still be a treat but you'd have to use it carefully, MB B3 would still be a fast armored launcher but it would be able to get stuffed by double hitting moves easily and not low profile mids, her damage would still be good unless they decide to nerf it a lot which I really doubt and she would still have over the top safety and would have to use 33b2/f1123 to open people up with staggers

All these nerfs do is make the match-up easier for most of the cast which she beats and maybe give her a few more than 1 losing match-ups.

She would still be a great character but right now she is a bit unfair.

EDIT: this is not a nerf but make MB catdash very punisheable at any range.

how is mb catdash very punishable at any range not a nerf???

 

[Tweedy]

I remember in I1 when she had armor on catdash, crazy unclashable damage with f3, an even better b3, unreactable 50/50s, an even better j2 ON TOP of the things she has now including the staggers, the trait, the damage, etc and I don’t remember any of this crying back then

Only thing new she really got in this game was b2 and walkspeed

If this is “broken” or “op” to you guys, then y’all really need to re-evaluate the definition. You guys are crying just to cry

I was watching Reo run through the Inj 1 characters tools and idk how you can compare this game to that game. Superman and Flash are top tier on this game but they were so much more broke on Inj 1 like it's not even a talking point.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

how is mb catdash very punishable at any range not a nerf???

Because well on paper that move should be punished everytime so you wouldn't have to be throwing it out a lot, the window to punish is just too tiny. It's more like a qol change for everyone, wouldn't mean anything to her if you ask me.