The Cheapest Character?

[x TeeJay o]

Cheap? She's my main but fam Canary is definitely one of the cheapest characters I've ever seen lol. Insanely dumb. Delayed 50/50, safe 50/50, ambiguous setups,vortex, fullscreen combo starter, and all of it leads to 45% and up. Not to mention she got plus frames now and safety sooo.. only caveat is that she has to actually work in neutral in some matchups but that doesn't make her any less dumb


On the topic of Batman he's def not a hard character to use. These Batman players be selling mega bills "he's not easy to pick up. He has no neutral without bats so it's hard wahhh" fuck outta here lol. His batarangs are apart of neutral and so is that dumb ass Donald Trump of a fucking J2. He also has a bat 98.67% of the time and when he doesnt just throw rangs until one charges ggs so hard in neutral right.I don't care how good your Batman is it's not very impressive especially if you're tryna say he takes a massive amount of skill

 

[Shaka]

Yeah at EVO he outplaced King and all other Batmans but that's the only tournament he's been able to attend. He qualified for Eleague tho and that's the pinnacle.

damn, so we agreed Batman is a bit too much?

 

[say what]

My 2¢ as a scrub xbox player:

1. Batman is easily the character I've faced the most. Easily enough to make someone annoyed with fighting any character.

2. Most just spam j2 over and over again. Not that this is an unbeatable strategy by any means, but it's certainly effective and frustrating and was only compounded by bo1 ranked in the past. This should improve with bo5 ranked imo.

3. Good enough rushdown to compete with a lot of zoners and good enough zoning to effectively keep out a lot of rushdown characters (imo) makes him frustrating for people who want an easy counterpick after getting stomped by godlike j2s.

tldr too many people play him, hes pretty good and j2 spam is annoying, i guess he's cheap

 

[ShaolinGunFu]

if they are spamming j2 in neutral, it isnt that hard to defend

if you think the post mb grapple nj2 - j2 crossup mixup is spam, you are misunderstanding whats going on

 

[omooba]

Character strength only matters at high level play.

not if the character is cheap...

to OP i've played batman since day one, cus he and my other main scarecrow are IMO the only true pressure characters in this game and to be honest for the most part the hate on batman makes no sense so i just ignore it for example...

He has zoning that moves him backwards is fast and can be mb and builds him good meter. Best rushdown in the game supported with a really hard to AA jump in 2 that crosses up. One if not the best trait in the game that allows him to get plus frames and forces the opponent to respect him even when he is negative. Good forward dash with little recovery. More plus frames with his MB upbatarang. Good damage and easy conversions. A fast, plus, forward advancing F3. Restands.

No character in the game has this amount of shit in his arsenal.

no you don't have to respect trait, it's a mix up for pressure, the shit has no block advantage... and so much of the stuff you mention here is not nearly as nasty as u make it seem. like bruh the character is nasty but no he's not met in the game, not even top 5


again OP just ignore em. pretty sure regardless of what these guys on tym say he's not gonna get nerfed again so yeah ignore em

 

[Tweedy]

not if the character is cheap...

to OP i've played batman since day one, cus he and my other main scarecrow are IMO the only true pressure characters in this game and to be honest for the most part the hate on batman makes no sense so i just ignore it for example...


no you don't have to respect trait, it's a mix up for pressure, the shit has no block advantage... and so much of the stuff you mention here is not nearly as nasty as u make it seem. like bruh the character is nasty but no he's not met in the game, not even top 5


again OP just ignore em. pretty sure regardless of what these guys on tym say he's not gonna get nerfed again so yeah ignore em

I mean literally you or me could go on ranked with the perceived worst character and win a match eventually or maybe even right away. You'd say "that person just needs to level up this character and match up sucks". That literally applies to everyone who isn't the absolute best, it's just egos get in the way so excuses form.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Top 5 cheapest imo:

Deadshot
Darkseid
Batman
Atrocitus
Poison Ivy

Poison Ivy, what?

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I don't think Batman is THE cheapest character or OP, but let's not act like it's hard to play Batman.

The only characters Iv lost to and still felt like I didn't necessarily get outplayed or was worse than the other guy are Deadshot and Darkseid. Even though Batman is frustrating as shit, I still felt like I deserved the L when I lost to Batman.

 

[SaSSolino]

Everything canary does is full combo punishable, just wait for them to get greedy.

It's 50/50s. I can't just block and punish.

Besides, all of her gimmicks and rolls here and there are annoying as well.

 

[Meep8345]

This reminds me exactly of the hate Kung Lao got in mkx. Guess people want to tell you to be patient fullscreen and inch your way in on projectiles but when you get in they better not have to be patient against you lol.

 

[DDutchguy]

This reminds me exactly of the hate Kung Lao got in mkx. Guess people want to tell you to be patient fullscreen and inch your way in on projectiles but when you get in they better not have to be patient against you lol.

Being patient against zoning is about getting in through making the right reads. If you always patiently inch your way in the zoner is gonna have to try something to get you back out. It can be very read based and if you're on the receiving end, there is very little in the way of a mixup holding gou back.

Being patient against Batman pressure is about knowing when you can poke out and when he is not forcing you to respect something. The issue is that Batman has something that forces you to respect him 90% of the time. 12 is +6 on block, bats will make you have to hold - frames and give Batman a full combo for high damage every time, bat cancels greatly enhance Batman's stagger pressure and sometimes give him + frames, Batman has one of the better F3s in the game that he can also use instead of something you would normally have to hold to become + on block or get a full combo, J2 gives him instant access to all of this and is one of the best jumping attacks in the game no doubt. I haven't even added throws into all of this.

How do I stay patient with all the ways Batman can mix me up? Unless I have amazing reactions I'm going to get hit, sooner or later.

 

[colby4898]

Poison Ivy, what?

I think shes extermely slept on. That trait with her low drill combined with the pretty fast f3 that goes half screen... maybe its just cos shes my worst match up in the game, I'm free to her so theres probs bias, but she seems cheap to me.

 

[Tony at Home]

you know atros mixup game is fuzzy guardable right?

Isn't it only a 3 frame diff between f22 puddle and f223?

 

[ShaolinGunFu]

it aint easy but im trying to help a cracka out if you getting atroed

 

[Flamelurkr]

It's 50/50s. I can't just block and punish.

Besides, all of her gimmicks and rolls here and there are annoying as well.

Just to be clear I play against a player who places top 16 at bige events in tekken. He mained batman and switched to canary. I can confidently say I have way more experience against her than any other character. Just don't want you to think I'm down playing.

33 can only jail into d1. make sure you keep her honest, but she can d1 trait for full combo so be careful. After 2 block low then oh and you escape the mix, unless your in the corner and good luck there. A good canary will only hit confirm into bf2 so don't wait on that move to start your turn. Flip = full combo also its not a wake up =full combo. Don't respect her j3. Neutral jump after 112.

What makes her strong is canary drop. There are multiple ways to deal with it. Depending on character, d2 can also work. I think the smartest thing to do is instant air j1. The flash has scarier mix honestly. Bully her on knockdown and she can't do anything, just read a bf2 wake up if they risk it.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I think shes extermely slept on. That trait with her low drill combined with the pretty fast f3 that goes half screen... maybe its just cos shes my worst match up in the game, I'm free to her so theres probs bias, but she seems cheap to me.

Well yeah she's pretty good, she can give Sub a pretty good beat down, but she has her clear faults, she's free on knockdown and has shit anti airs. Even with a character like Sub that she bullies with her zoning, she still has clear exploitable weaknesses.

 

[Reauxbot]

Cheap? She's my main but fam Canary is definitely one of the cheapest characters I've ever seen lol. Insanely dumb. Delayed 50/50, safe 50/50, ambiguous setups,vortex, fullscreen combo starter, and all of it leads to 45% and up. Not to mention she got plus frames now and safety sooo.. only caveat is that she has to actually work in neutral in some matchups but that doesn't make her any less dumb


On the topic of Batman he's def not a hard character to use. These Batman players be selling mega bills "he's not easy to pick up. He has no neutral without bats so it's hard wahhh" fuck outta here lol. His batarangs are apart of neutral and so is that dumb ass Donald Trump of a fucking J2. He also has a bat 98.67% of the time and when he doesnt just throw rangs until one charges ggs so hard in neutral right.I don't care how good your Batman is it's not very impressive especially if you're tryna say he takes a massive amount of skill

You name off all the cheap madness about Canaray. And then point one thing out about Batman. His j2 lol.

 

[B. Shazzy]

listen bro we all know batman isnt the cheapest and why they really cry about the character. everyone they all get outfundamentled by yours truly and they hate it bro. im sorry they take it on the rest of u batbums

the scrubs will hunt me. they'll condemn me, make posts about me, set the dogs on me. because thats what needs to happen. because sometimes the truth isnt good enough for scrubs. because im the hero tym deserves but not the one it needs right now.

so they'll hunt me because i can take it. because im not their hero. im #1 ranked on the leaderboards with not my main character. a capcom player. a batgodlord.

 

[Reauxbot]

listen bro we all know batman isnt the cheapest and why they really cry about the character. everyone they all get outfundamentled by yours truly and they hate it bro. im sorry they take it on the rest of u batbums

the scrubs will hunt me. they'll condemn me, make posts about me, set the dogs on me. because thats what needs to happen. because sometimes the truth isnt good enough for scrubs. because im the hero tym deserves but not the one it needs right now.

so they'll hunt me because i can take it. because im not their hero. im #1 ranked on the leaderboards with not my main character. a capcom player. a batgodlord.

Just checked. You ain't even top 5. Unless you changed your name.

 

[Flamelurkr]

I can't even understand how canary is discussed in this thread. What has she done on a high level? The flash has better mix and is safer with better staggers and plus frames. Flash main and not afraid to mention it.

Batman is brain dead. When the player using the character doesn't know if its a cross up or not, it means zero execution. I'd maybe understand if his standing strings didn't launch.

Supes isn't in the discussion and this worries me...

Everyone knows zoning takes an intelligent mind, unless you play ds=brain dead. Think most agree.

Other than that I don't think there's a lot of brain dead characters. There are easier characters, sg, ba, maybe more but they're balanced to not have a reward higher than their execution. We might see starfire in the same boat now after the stealth nerfs.

 

[jayy_coleworld]

I can't even understand how canary is discussed in this thread. What has she done on a high level? The flash has better mix and is safer with better staggers and plus frames. Flash main and not afraid to mention it.

Batman is brain dead. When the player using the character doesn't know if its a cross up or not, it means zero execution. I'd maybe understand if his standing strings didn't launch.

Supes isn't in the discussion and this worries me...

Everyone knows zoning takes an intelligent mind, unless you play ds=brain dead. Think most agree.

Other than that I don't think there's a lot of brain dead characters. There are easier characters, sg, ba, maybe more but they're balanced to not have a reward higher than their execution. We might see starfire in the same boat now after the stealth nerfs.

What does not knowing which side the attack hits on have to do with anything lmaooo. There plenty of attacks, special move and setups that are like that are like that. Hell robins dive kick swoop move can literally hit in three directions sometimes. I get that batman j2 can be dumb but he's not the only character with a really good j2. Plenty characters also have j1's or j3's that are just as annoying

 

[x TeeJay o]

You name off all the cheap madness about Canaray. And then point one thing out about Batman. His j2 lol.

I also mentioned the bats he has 99.67% of the time lol. It's cheap too

 

[Flamelurkr]

What does not knowing which side the attack hits on have to do with anything lmaooo. There plenty of attacks, special move and setups that are like that are like that. Hell robins dive kick swoop move can literally hit in three directions sometimes. I get that batman j2 can be dumb but he's not the only character with a really good j2. Plenty characters also have j1's or j3's that are just as annoying

A lot of characters have cross ups, but no character has one like batman. There are cross ups that can be just as ambiguous but they're often in set ups, like green lantern. Batmans is just his j2. The best jump 2 ever.

 

[looneyloopz]

Yesterday I was playing ranked sets and I came up on Madzin's Batman. I realized I'll get whooped badly but man, just like Skedar said it before, the amount of tools Batman has is just ridiculous with this stupid fuckin jumping kick on top... "Batman's range is shit" is makin me laugh, I mean, just no. Imagine Sub-Zero slide being plus on block/safe cause you are so good to press "4" button cause that what he does constantly with Batman, pretty stupid, isn't it? Can't even tell when you're gettin crossed-up to another combo. I play Grodd (can't help it, I love the character, animalistic soul of mine ^^) and I can tell that all characters when it comes to execution are jokes, Batman included. I'm not sayin I wanted or expected to beat Madzin's Batman with Grodd but why is doing an optimal combo for Grodd harder then learning how to play Batman. There is no question about this character being cheap as fuck. As well any auto-aiming move like batarangs should not exist in a game like that, it's the definition of braindead gameplay.

 

[Reauxbot]

What does not knowing which side the attack hits on have to do with anything lmaooo. There plenty of attacks, special move and setups that are like that are like that. Hell robins dive kick swoop move can literally hit in three directions sometimes. I get that batman j2 can be dumb but he's not the only character with a really good j2. Plenty characters also have j1's or j3's that are just as annoying

Characters also have mega ambiguous setups...
Green Lantern. Canary has a pool of em. Feel free to add in. I usually know when Batman is gonna crossup. Not when I'm in the vortex no, and that's the point of a vortex. Guess.