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CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Welcome back! It's been awhile but the patch has come and gone and the meta has settled a decent amount so I figured why not get back into the thick of it with a new tier list! We're doing things a little differently this time however. Most of you are probably used to the typical letter grade system for tier lists (S, A, B, C, D etc.) however I decided I'm going to shake it up a little bit! So in this tier list, I'll be using a number system (Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3 etc.) This way there's not dispute over what it means to be S tier or A tier and so on and so forth. Here you will understand Tier 1 is the best of the best, Tier 2 is just barely Tier 1, etc etc. So without further ado, here's the list! Each tier is now in order from strongest to weakest!

Tier 1
Jacqui Briggs (Full Auto)
Triborg (Sektor)
Shinnok (Impostor)
Jason (Unstoppable)
Ermac (Mystic)
Scorpion (Hellfire)
Mileena (Piercing)
Triborg (Smoke)
Liu Kang (Dragon's Fire)
Sub-Zero (Grandmaster)

Tier 2
Quan Chi (Sorcerer)
Mileena (Ravenous)
Jason (Relentless)
Mileena (Ethereal)
Takeda (Ronin)

Sonya Blade (Demolition)
Raiden (Displacer)
Liu Kang (Flame Fist)
Predator (Hish-Qu-Ten)
Shinnok (Boneshaper)

Tremor (Aftershock)
Tremor (Crystaline)
Tanya (Pyromancer)
Takeda (Lasher)
Takeda (Shirai Ryu)
Kano (Cutthroat)
Kano (Commando)
Tremor (Metallic)
Jacqui Briggs (Shotgun)
Quan Chi (Summoner)
Cassie Cage (Hollywood)
Tanya (Kobu Jutsu)
Tanya (Dragon Naginata)
Kitana (Royal Storm)
Kitana (Assassin)
Kenshi (Possessed)
Jason (Slasher)
Reptile (Nimble)
Reptile (Noxious)
Reptile (Deceptive)
Kitana (Mournful)
Scorpion (Ninjitsu)
D'vorah (Swarm Queen)
Ferra/Torr (Ruthless)
Goro (Dragon Fangs)
Cassie Cage (Brawler)
Alien (Acidic)

Sonya Blade (Special Forces)
Bo Rai'Cho (Dragon's Breath)
Goro (Tigrar Fury)
Kotal Kahn (Sun God)
Kung Jin (Shaolin)
Raiden (Thunder God)
Ermac (Spectral)
Kung Jin (Ancestral)
Ermac (Master of Souls)
Sonya Blade (Covert Ops)
Kung Lao (Tempest)
Kung Lao (Buzzsaw)
Ferra/Torr (Vicious)
Triborg (Cyber Sub-Zero)
Sub-Zero (Unbreakable)
Bo Rai'Cho (Bartitsu)


Tier 3
Alien (Konjurer)
Jacqui Briggs (High Tech)
Kano (Cybernetic)
D'vorah (Brood Mother)
Goro (Kuatan Warrior)
Leatherface (Killer)
Leatherface (Butcher)
Kotal Kahn (War God)
Jax (Wrestler)
Jax (Pumped Up)

Predator (Hunter)
Shinnok (Necromancer)
Sub-Zero (Cryomancer)
Liu Kang (Dualist)
Erron Black (Gunslinger)
Triborg (Cyrax)
Alien (Tarkatan)
Kung Jin (Bojutsu)
Raiden (Master of Storms)
Cassie Cage (Spec Ops)
Johnny Cage (Fisticuffs)
Johnny Cage (A-List)

Quan Chi (Warlock)
Kenshi (Balanced)
Johnny Cage (Stunt Double)
Kung Lao (Hat Trick)
Scorpion (Inferno)
Kotal Kahn (Blood God)

Tier 4
Bo Rai'Cho (Drunken Master)
D'vorah (Venomous)
Leatherface (Pretty Lady)
Erron Black (Marksman)
Kenshi (Kenjutsu)
Ferra/Torr (Lackey)
Predator (Warrior)
Jax (Heavy Weapons)
Erron Black (Outlaw)

Well! That's the tier list! Go find your character(s) and tell me how wrong I am! Cheers!
 
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tafka Djinn

One for three off the roof
Okay, so I'm curious as to what puts Ancestral and Thunder God in the same tier as HQT. Are their MU charts really comparable at this point in time? I'll say that I feel like Ancestral is kinda slept on, but I want to know if a MU chart evaluation of them is so different from tool strength evaluation in those cases.
 
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CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Okay, so I'm curious as to what puts Ancestral and Thunder God in the same tier as HQT. Are there MU charts really comparable at this point in time? I'll say that I feel like Ancestral is kinda slept on, but I want to know if a MU chart evaluation of them is so different from tool strength evaluation in those cases.
Okay so thunder god basically (as far as i know) has the same matchup chart as Displacer minus matchups with zoners being slightly worse than Displacer (and don't know if you know this but Displacer has a pretty good MU chart from my understanding) Ancestral might be a character I need to take another look at but like you said, i feel like he's slept on as a really solid counter zoner. Freezing low arrow low profiles a lot of zoning and lands him a really good trade, which helps in matchups that involve zoning wars. On the other side of the spectrum, he also has very good zoning himself with fire arrow which gives characters without projectiles/bad ways to get in a harder time which rounds out his MU chart pretty well imo.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Agree with Cage placements.

Balanced should be in the same tier than Kenjutsu imo.

Finally someone putting Sorcerer where it belongs.
I feel like Balanced actually at least has tools that it can use...while Kenjutsu doesn't exactly fit in that category with a shitty push and being absurdly meter intensive with no really good way to build it. At least Balanced can actually space out which helps in some matchups (Like Pyro Tanya, imo Balanced actually beats Pyro) and Kenjutsu doesn't really HAVE many if any winning matchups.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Are you kidding me mate? What the fuck.


















You put all my characters in their correct placement damn son. Nice work.
I'd like to think when it comes to this game i know what i'm talking about. i might only have average skill but my evaluation of characters feels pretty on point most of the time (sometimes however i make a big dumb idiot of myself xD)
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
I feel like Balanced actually at least has tools that it can use...while Kenjutsu doesn't exactly fit in that category with a shitty push and being absurdly meter intensive with no really good way to build it. At least Balanced can actually space out which helps in some matchups (Like Pyro Tanya, imo Balanced actually beats Pyro) and Kenjutsu doesn't really HAVE many if any winning matchups.
If he's at the end of tier 3 when you order them, we agree lol :p

Balanced beated Pyro prepatch, now it's the other way around imo. She has extreme mobility, actually much better zoning than him, scary armor, and Balanced antiair power is weakened since last patch and has to base on reads to do it here. No exrk.

Thing is Kenjutsu lost armor launcher but at least got safe 50/50s for a bar in exchange. Push is worse, but that pushback make it far from shit.
Balanced got no new tools to help to reinforce a new gameplan as compensation for exkarma loss. Overhead slash is very slow and expush was safe anyway prepatch, -1.
 
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Lasher should be perhaps dropped a tier. He is good but not the absolute best in MKX. Demolition should be dropped a tier or two. The grenade nerfs really hurt her and she has no longer access to the corner reloading combos that was possible prepatch. I don't see Ninjutsu and Hellfire being placed together too. I mean Ninjutsu is good but should be dropped below Hellfire. Perhaps in a tier 1.5 or smth. Otherwise, this tier list is very accurate.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Lasher should be perhaps dropped a tier. He is good but not the absolute best in MKX. Demolition should be dropped a tier or two. The grenade nerfs really hurt her and she has no longer access to the corner reloading combos that was possible prepatch. I don't see Ninjutsu and Hellfire being placed together too. I mean Ninjutsu is good but should be dropped below Hellfire. Perhaps in a tier 1.5 or smth. Otherwise, this tier list is very accurate.
Reason Lasher is so high is, who does he lose to? Like honestly, who are his terrible matchups? He does quite well against a lot of the cast and imo he doesnt out right lose to any character in the game.
 

NHDR

Noob
IMO but I think Commando is just as good as Cutthroat.

-Safe specials, good range on 22 (also safe)
-Same projectile game as CT
-Better AA options than CT, maybe the best AA options in the whole game
-Parry
-Great armored grabs
-Some of the best wake-up defense in the game
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
IMO but I think Commando is just as good as Cutthroat.

-Safe specials, good range on 22 (also safe)
-Same projectile game as CT
-Better AA options than CT, maybe the best AA options in the whole game
-Parry
-Great armored grabs
-Some of the best wake-up defense in the game
I was on the fence with Commando, i'll have to think on this one!
 

tafka Djinn

One for three off the roof
Okay so thunder god basically (as far as i know) has the same matchup chart as Displacer minus matchups with zoners being slightly worse than Displacer (and don't know if you know this but Displacer has a pretty good MU chart from my understanding) Ancestral might be a character I need to take another look at but like you said, i feel like he's slept on as a really solid counter zoner. Freezing low arrow low profiles a lot of zoning and lands him a really good trade, which helps in matchups that involve zoning wars. On the other side of the spectrum, he also has very good zoning himself with fire arrow which gives characters without projectiles/bad ways to get in a harder time which rounds out his MU chart pretty well imo.
Oh trust me, I know that Displacer is a real boy lol. TG however has drastically weaker pressure, a diminished midscreen presence, and is a stamina management nightmare. I don't agree with Goonie's bottom 5 claim, but I just don't see him doing well against enough of the cast for him to be in the same tier as HQT Pred, DF Liu, GM Sub, or HF Scorp. Guess it's not so much that he's misplaced within his tier, but that there's a point between the first two tiers maybe?
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Oh trust me, I know that Displacer is a real boy lol. TG however has drastically weaker pressure, a diminished midscreen presence, and is a stamina management nightmare. I don't agree with Goonie's bottom 5 claim, but I just don't see him doing well against enough of the cast for him to be in the same tier as HQT Pred, DF Liu, GM Sub, or HF Scorp. Guess it's not so much that he's misplaced within his tier, but that there's a point between the first two tiers maybe?
His pressure isn't THAT much weaker. Seriously how much did he rely on his cancels for plus frames? He has enough stamina to sustain the pressure he did before. EX Vicinity Blast has given him something for opponents to respect so his staggers have become much better and his meterbuild is ABSURD. Just look at a TG's meter when he's fighting. Seriously. You'll be disgusted. And his setplay is top 10 easy. Character is super underrated right now.
 

big j gleez

Mains: Not Sure Right Now ...
I think it is a pretty good list honestly. I would move Mileena to Tier 1 though. I also would move covert ops to tier 3. Overall though I think the list is pretty solid for the most part.
 

Temetias

"MKX kid"
Good list!

Just curious why Mileena isn't in tier 1? Piercing and etheral have pretty much every tool possible in game and don't lose any matchups really.
 

SaSSolino

Soul Stealing Loyalist
It's a good list, yep yep.

Jason is broken, Impostor is broken, Bone Shaper is very good but not top... yeah, everything checks out.

Besides Hellfire, he should be top tier free.