Fisticuffs is not the worst variation of Cage anymore. I know my prepatch propaganda was strong, but things have changedEhhhh it's a start but there's so much I disagree with here. Lemme post mine [from another Aussie ]. For tiers to have any meaning, there shouldn't be more than 10-15 characters in each tier.
S+
Triborg (Smoke)
Ermac (Mystic)
Jacqui Briggs (Full auto)
Mileena (Ethereal)
Shinnok (Imposter)
Predator (Hish-Qu-Ten)
Raiden (Displacer)
Liu Kang (Dragon's Fire)
S
Scorpion (Hellfire)
Jason (Unstoppable)
Shinnok (Bone Shaper)
Liu Kang (Flame Fist)
Cassie Cage (Hollywood)
Triborg (Sektor)
Tanya (Pyromancer)
Kitana (Royal Storm)
Sub Zero (Grandmaster)
Tremor (Crystalline)
Mileena (Piercing)
Takeda (Ronin)
Kenshi (Possessed)
A+
Sonya Blade (Demoliton)
Quan Chi (Summoner)
Cassie Cage (Brawler)
Jason (Relentless)
Quan Chi (Sorceror)
Kung Lao (Buzzsaw)
Tremor (Aftershock)
Kung Jin (Shaolin)
Jacqui Briggs (shotgun)
Kano (Cutthroat)
Kitana (Mournful)
Scorpion (Ninjutsu)
A
Mileena (Ravenous)
Takeda (Shirai Ryu)
Ermac (Spectral)
Sonya Blade (Special Forces)
Cassie Cage (Spec Ops)
Kano (Cybernetic)
Jason (Slasher)
Leatherface (Killer)
D'Vorah (Brood Mother)
Kotal Kahn (Wargod)
Takeda (Lasher)
Kitana (Assassin)
B+
Alien (Konjurer)
Leatherface (Pretty Lady)
Bo Rai Cho (Dragon's Breath)
Reptile (Nimble)
Sub Zero (Unbreakable)
Tanya (Dragon Naginata)
Sub Zero (Cryomancer)
Shinnok (Necromancer)
Sonya Blade (Covert Ops)
Predator (Hunter)
D'Vorah (Swarm Queen)
Erron Black (Gunslinger)
Johnny Cage (Stunt Double)
Ermac (Master of Souls)
B
Johnny Cage (A-List)
Kano (Commando)
Kung Jin (Bojutsu)
Reptile (Deceptive)
Alien (Acidic)
Ferra/Torr (Ruthless)
Raiden (Thunder God)
Goro (Dragon Fangs)
Tanya (Kobu Jutsu)
Kenshi (Balanced)
Reptile (Noxious)
Kotal Kahn (Sun God)
Jax (Wrestler)
Alien (Tarkaten)
C+
Kung Jin (Ancestral)
Bo’ Rai Cho (Bartitsu)
Kung Lao (Tempest)
Jax (Pumped Up)
Scorpion (Inferno)
Leatherface (Butcher)
Quan Chi (Warlock)
Predator (Warrior)
Tremor (Metallic)
Johnny Cage (Fisticuffs)
Erron Black (Marksman)
Kung Lao (Hattrick)
C
Triborg (Cyber Sub Zero)
Kotal Kahn (Blood God)
Ferra/Torr (Vicious)
D’vorah (Venomous)
Liu Kang (Dualist)
Jacqui Briggs (High Tech)
Goro (Kuatan Warrior)
Goro (Tigrar Fury)
Triborg (Cyrax)
D
Kenshi (Kenjutsu)
Bo’ Rai Cho (Drunken Master)
Jax (Heavy Weapons)
Ferra/Torr (Lackey)
Erron Black (Outlaw)
Raiden (Master of Storms)
Ehhhh it's a start but there's so much I disagree with here. Lemme post mine [from another Aussie ]. For tiers to have any meaning, there shouldn't be more than 10-15 characters in each tier.
S+
Triborg (Smoke)
Ermac (Mystic)
Jacqui Briggs (Full auto)
Mileena (Ethereal)
Shinnok (Imposter)
Predator (Hish-Qu-Ten)
Raiden (Displacer)
Liu Kang (Dragon's Fire)
S
Scorpion (Hellfire)
Jason (Unstoppable)
Shinnok (Bone Shaper)
Liu Kang (Flame Fist)
Cassie Cage (Hollywood)
Triborg (Sektor)
Tanya (Pyromancer)
Kitana (Royal Storm)
Sub Zero (Grandmaster)
Tremor (Crystalline)
Mileena (Piercing)
Takeda (Ronin)
Kenshi (Possessed)
A+
Sonya Blade (Demoliton)
Quan Chi (Summoner)
Cassie Cage (Brawler)
Jason (Relentless)
Quan Chi (Sorceror)
Kung Lao (Buzzsaw)
Tremor (Aftershock)
Kung Jin (Shaolin)
Jacqui Briggs (shotgun)
Kano (Cutthroat)
Kitana (Mournful)
Scorpion (Ninjutsu)
A
Mileena (Ravenous)
Takeda (Shirai Ryu)
Ermac (Spectral)
Sonya Blade (Special Forces)
Cassie Cage (Spec Ops)
Kano (Cybernetic)
Jason (Slasher)
Leatherface (Killer)
D'Vorah (Brood Mother)
Kotal Kahn (Wargod)
Takeda (Lasher)
Kitana (Assassin)
B+
Alien (Konjurer)
Leatherface (Pretty Lady)
Bo Rai Cho (Dragon's Breath)
Reptile (Nimble)
Sub Zero (Unbreakable)
Tanya (Dragon Naginata)
Sub Zero (Cryomancer)
Shinnok (Necromancer)
Sonya Blade (Covert Ops)
Predator (Hunter)
D'Vorah (Swarm Queen)
Erron Black (Gunslinger)
Johnny Cage (Stunt Double)
Ermac (Master of Souls)
B
Johnny Cage (A-List)
Kano (Commando)
Kung Jin (Bojutsu)
Reptile (Deceptive)
Alien (Acidic)
Ferra/Torr (Ruthless)
Raiden (Thunder God)
Goro (Dragon Fangs)
Tanya (Kobu Jutsu)
Kenshi (Balanced)
Reptile (Noxious)
Kotal Kahn (Sun God)
Jax (Wrestler)
Alien (Tarkaten)
C+
Kung Jin (Ancestral)
Bo’ Rai Cho (Bartitsu)
Kung Lao (Tempest)
Jax (Pumped Up)
Scorpion (Inferno)
Leatherface (Butcher)
Quan Chi (Warlock)
Predator (Warrior)
Tremor (Metallic)
Johnny Cage (Fisticuffs)
Erron Black (Marksman)
Kung Lao (Hattrick)
C
Triborg (Cyber Sub Zero)
Kotal Kahn (Blood God)
Ferra/Torr (Vicious)
D’vorah (Venomous)
Liu Kang (Dualist)
Jacqui Briggs (High Tech)
Goro (Kuatan Warrior)
Goro (Tigrar Fury)
Triborg (Cyrax)
D
Kenshi (Kenjutsu)
Bo’ Rai Cho (Drunken Master)
Jax (Heavy Weapons)
Ferra/Torr (Lackey)
Erron Black (Outlaw)
Raiden (Master of Storms)
Balanced is not as bad as you make it out to be. Kenjustsu is trash, balanced is ok. Possessed just does pretty much everything balanced does but better. I say this as someone who actually plays balanced and has quite a bit of experience using him.Fisticuffs is not the worst variation of Cage anymore. Also Balanced Kenshi B tier... in same tier than A-List, commando, Reptile...breeeh
Tier Lists are all relative. If you make a tier list with 20+ people in the same tier, it doesn't serve any purpose of differentiating them. When you have 100 variations to sort through, you need to separate them into ~8/9 tiers in order for the list to be meaningful. Call the tiers whatever you want; I could've gone with S+, S, S-, A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-. The name isn't important, what is important is adequately separating characters into meaningful groups.The weakest tier in this game are B at the worst IMO, some of these characters are definitely B.
That's fine.Balanced is not as bad as you make it out to be. Kenjustsu is trash, balanced is ok. Possessed just does pretty much everything balanced does but better. I say this as someone who actually plays balanced and has quite a bit of experience using him.
No, he's not the kenshi I wanted. But you can't honestly place him in the same tier as Cyber Sub, Inferno and Hattrick.
As for Fisticuffs, I'll be honest I haven't really seen much of what he can do post patch but what I have seen hadnt impressed me. I'm willing to admit I could've gotten that one wrong, but in my experience, he's the weakest of the cages.
B3 and f4 isnt even a fuzzy guard tbh. Good players can straight up react to the f4 and block accordingly. If it was tight enough where they were forced to just fuzzy it you could delay the low and get more lows to hit but in this case the f4 can be seen and blocked.Inferno is super unsafe and to get that meterless damage, u either gotta commit to his super unsafe 50/50s or get a punish. Not to mention, scorpion doesnt have a true vortex as f4 and b3 can be fuzzy guarded after the teleport restand. Also, inferno has a poor neutral, with d4 being his best normal. As for Grandmaster bad mus, Kenshi, Kitana and maybe even Mileena are tough matchups for him.
Some might say ancestral is kung jin's best variation but for the most part, I agree with u that shaolin is the best. As for crystalline, @YUZU_RZA has claimed that aftershock is tremor's best variation. However, I do feel that crystalline is better than aftershock.Not bad. There's a few key things that stood out to me though that looked a little out of place:
- Shaolin is somehow lower than his other 2 variations, despite being the best
- Crystalline is somehow lower than other variations even though it's the best
- All Kitana's might as well be the same tier, they are so similar
- Switch Outlaw and Drunk Master's spots lol
I'm not triggeredStunt double higher than a list and fisticuffs. Who's man is this? @IrishMantis
When I read Sd Cage is best variation:I'm not triggered
I'm smiling
Because I'm happy.... and absolutely not triggered the slightesest!
I'm still smiling, my head it's quite sore I may off accidentally banged it off the well a couple of times but silly me
I just Smile
As GM main, his bad MUs are the following:Inferno is super unsafe and to get that meterless damage, u either gotta commit to his super unsafe 50/50s or get a punish. Not to mention, scorpion doesnt have a true vortex as f4 and b3 can be fuzzy guarded after the teleport restand. Also, inferno has a poor neutral, with d4 being his best normal. As for Grandmaster bad mus, Kenshi, Kitana and maybe even Mileena are tough matchups for him.
Thank you man1. Every Tremor player says Aftershock is the best and all the non-Tremor players say Crystalline is. Who do you think would actually be correct? Lol
2. Metallic is slept on.
3. Ancestral is slept on.
4. @Pan1cMode i Fuck with most of your Tier list but I think I almost puked when I saw War God in the same tier as Lasher. Lasher can definitely hold his own against more of the cast than War God
No problem fam. Where would you put Metallic on the tier list?Thank you man