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Wigy

There it is...
I hate safe 2 hit armors with a passion.

However, Liu is a good character and even with a 7 frame D1 and some shenanigans he is far from being in the top 5 of (soap bar in my mouth) in this game.
His armour is just totally stupid in some matchups. You have to work your ass to get in, then when you do he has a plethora of rediculous get off me options -mb dragon kick being the stupidest as its totally safe vs a lot of he cast. On top of that very good pressure.

Hes not top 5 but the armour is just stupid and his d3 should have been nerfed and d1 should have been 8 frames. The threat of his d1 has just closed off most of his weaknesses.

You're forced to poke because his d1 is now quick and a blocked poke versus liu kang you're holding a whole punch of pressure. FF you're holding silly chip.

My 2 cents. Salty or whatever but i dont see how dragon kick is a fair move.
 

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
Came to look up any good tips or strats with liu and all i see is typical tym bitching about his dragons roar (that you can low profile or njp) and fly kick... and his 7f d1 when characters used to be able to mash pokes on him all day with no consequence. We had to ARMOR to eacape mashing at times, so hold the changes and stop complaining. Johnny was far more stupid than pre patch kang, now johnny got that well deserved nerve bat. It is what it is. Kang community feels no sympathy. Also Bruno, i feel like flame fist is better than df but only by a small amount. So i agree with you.
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
Came to look up any good tips or strats with liu and all i see is typical tym bitching about his dragons roar (that you can low profile or njp) and fly kick... and his 7f d1 when characters used to be able to mash pokes on him all day with no consequence. We had to ARMOR to eacape mashing at times, so hold the changes and stop complaining. Johnny was far more stupid than pre patch kang, now johnny got that well deserved nerve bat. It is what it is. Kang community feels no sympathy. Also Bruno, i feel like flame fist is better than df but only by a small amount. So i agree with you.
So much face palm in one post.
 

Wigy

There it is...
Came to look up any good tips or strats with liu and all i see is typical tym bitching about his dragons roar (that you can low profile or njp) and fly kick... and his 7f d1 when characters used to be able to mash pokes on him all day with no consequence. We had to ARMOR to eacape mashing at times, so hold the changes and stop complaining. Johnny was far more stupid than pre patch kang, now johnny got that well deserved nerve bat. It is what it is. Kang community feels no sympathy. Also Bruno, i feel like flame fist is better than df but only by a small amount. So i agree with you.
If you're letting people mash pokes when you have b1 and f4. Thats entirely your fault. Those are some of the best checks for pokes on block in the entire game.
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
Do i seem like I care? I facepalm every time i see something from 90% of you here.
You wouldn't be posting or even reading here if you didn't care.

People posting their opinions on a public forum on the internet. Unheard of.
 

Wigy

There it is...
So liu discussion thread = liu bitching thread. My bad, forgot where this was for a sec. Carry on.
Didnt realise that anything negative is prohibited in discussion, is liu kang effectively kim jong un and this discussion board is korea?
 
His armour is just totally stupid in some matchups. You have to work your ass to get in, then when you do he has a plethora of rediculous get off me options -mb dragon kick being the stupidest as its totally safe vs a lot of he cast. On top of that very good pressure.

Hes not top 5 but the armour is just stupid and his d3 should have been nerfed and d1 should have been 8 frames. The threat of his d1 has just closed off most of his weaknesses.

You're forced to poke because his d1 is now quick and a blocked poke versus liu kang you're holding a whole punch of pressure. FF you're holding silly chip.

My 2 cents. Salty or whatever but i dont see how dragon kick is a fair move.
Yes mb dragon kick is pretty stupid imo. It's very hard if even possible to punish on block. If you make a hard read and neutral crouch it, the thing recovers so fast that LK is able to do it again. As for mb dragon roar, it is not only completely safe and has two hits of armour, but the blockstun on it is so weird that Liu Kang can mash d1 and get it to hit sometimes.
 

shura30

Shura
(that you can low profile or njp)
the trade is still unfair borderline
you can njp and some characters can low profile with a well timed attack, sure
any competent kang player knows the opponent will try and bait tho
kang's answer for a failed bait is full combo + back at full distance where fast 7%(+3%) projectiles can be thrown again

kang needed buffs but he got the wrong ones
d3, d1xxroar resets the neutral in kang's favor for literally no reason
a more fair d3 and slightly more minus roar/fk would be perfect without really affecting his setplay in this meta

also please, if you have advice on what to do please do share, the attitude you're trying to pull off is unhealthy and useless
people is allowed to complain if there isn't a solution to a problem (yet)
and none of your posts here helped clear out some legit doubts people tried to discuss
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
the trade is still unfair borderline
you can njp and some characters can low profile with a well timed attack, sure
any competent kang player knows the opponent will try and bait tho
kang's answer for a failed bait is full combo + back at full distance where fast 7%(+3%) projectiles can be thrown again

kang needed buffs but he got the wrong ones
d3, d1xxroar resets the neutral in kang's favor for literally no reason
a more fair d3 and slightly more minus roar/fk would be perfect without really affecting his setplay in this meta

also please, if you have advice on what to do please do share, the attitude you're trying to pull off is unhealthy and useless
people is allowed to complain if there isn't a solution to a problem (yet)
and none of your posts here helped clear out some legit doubts people tried to discuss
I'm gonna put the kang community as a whole, as the biggest downplayers now.

Due to 1 post from 1 member.

That's how it works right?
 

shura30

Shura
I'm gonna put the kang community as a whole, as the biggest downplayers now.

Due to 1 post from 1 member.

That's how it works right?
just ignore the downplayers/upplayers
try and read the facts as they are..there are no factions just mu discussion
 

Wigy

There it is...
Also, many specials can be punished with well spaced air normals its not really like a point of balance. The issue is kang can cover that with a dragon kick and also a character whos this good up close and has great zoning shouldnt be so free to get up on knockdown.

The whole low profiling thing means jack shit.

If they read it they can dragon kick and get out for free. So the risk reward is 3% if u guess right and if u guess wrong they're out the corner and you're almost definitely guna eat well over 3% chip getting back in.

The guessing game is 100% in his favour. He has about 4 different good options depending on variation etc.
 

PapaRegadetho

All hail emperor Liucifer Kang!
Wigy, I understand you're salty, what I don"t understand is how can someone be so salty at a point that they can't handle tools that aren't threating like most stuff in this game. What you really need to do is speak up against safe armors in general, including your -4 force kick.
 

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
Wigy, I understand you're salty, what I don"t understand is how can someone be so salty at a point that they can't handle tools that aren't threating like most stuff in this game. What you really need to do is speak up against safe armors in general, including your -4 force kick.
The force kick is a high you can duck and minimum d2 for a punish. So the tool you mentioned, is powerful, but has a counter.

Wigy is frustrated because with db2 although you can low profile it to some degree you can't punish it without doing an njp and this options presents a get out of jail free card for many; with flying kick.

So how do enforce your offence on knockdown against Kang? Even smoke cant just yolo phase because most characters can jump back punch and punish.

I've found mixing in empty njp helps alot. You recover super fast and can chase flying kick well. There is also blocking, he is minus 3 which puts you at an advantage, if you flying kicks mb then you will need to make a read, i either cross-up after or backdash, my d1 (cyrax loses and d3 doesn't have the range). It sucks to lose your pressure in this way, but at least kang has spent resources to wake-up. The worst thing you can do us get frustrated and try to blow him up, he catches you and sends you full screen and builds his bar back with fireballs.

Also I believe Wigy mains no rai cho now. So you can imagine the pain of having to work hard in the neutral to get in or knock him down only for him to wake-up and get out comfortably moat the time. It hurts more then he can bully you so hard up close with d3 d1/dragons roar which is a mind game in itself.

Also talking about low profiling wake-ups kang can d3 check cyrax wake-up and low profile it and full punish with F1 when it whiffs. So if you wake-up your screwed, if you block the d3 your screwed (plus 1 lol) and if you delay he is just going to meaty you after d3 recovers.