I don't know. I think we can all agree that Possessed is probably Kenshi's best variation. It didn't get effected by the armor launching changes, its zoning is still the same, and 42 teleport is better because of the removal of armored launchers.
For MOST people in this thread that say "Kenshi is good, stop downplaying" I would really like to see you prove it against people who know the MU. Since Kenshi is good, I would really like to see how you guys do.
I mean fr you guys must be fucking killin it with this blind motherfucker. Please show me dat high level Kenshi play that us 18 month long Kenshi mains can't provide.
Man these buffs are so fucking good, when I look at Kenshi changes here and Takeda buffs from September and Mileena's buffs for XL, I go damn you guys got shit buffs compared to us Kenshi players hot damn.
BTW not saying he's good, not saying he's trash, just if you're gonna say all these 18 month long Kenshi players are downplaying him now, you better be able to show us some footage of you killin it with him against some good dooders to shut them up instead of theory crafting.
For MOST people in this thread that say "Kenshi is good, stop downplaying" I would really like to see you prove it against people who know the MU. Since Kenshi is good, I would really like to see how you guys do.
I mean fr you guys must be fucking killin it with this blind motherfucker. Please show me dat high level Kenshi play that us 18 month long Kenshi mains can't provide.
Man these buffs are so fucking good, when I look at Kenshi changes here and Takeda buffs from September and Mileena's buffs for XL, I go damn you guys got shit buffs compared to us Kenshi players hot damn.
BTW not saying he's good, not saying he's trash, just if you're gonna say all these 18 month long Kenshi players are downplaying him now, you better be able to show us some footage of you killin it with him against some good dooders to shut them up instead of theory crafting.
first of all Kenshi players aying Kenshi Balanced is good "Is Not Downplaying LOL" its Up-playing the correct term! Second how is it that only the Kenshi Community can bitch about solid buffs. Every other character gets nerfed to shit. and Kenshi mains can make it sound like Poor kenshi when he gets buffs that actually help him. Who cares if he has a few weaknesses.(I don't want Dirt with kenshi or a broke character. I want and honest character that works to get that win) what do you want. a perfect character? Tele-Flurry has less Recovery and is faster. Overhead Slash is faster and has less miss and Recovery. Overhead slash also has more hit advantage and now on EX can launch and also grants follow up now. Push is basically safe anywhere and EX push is positive on block, and grants follow up and launches almost full screen! Only flaw of EX push is it can be NJP'ed on a hard Read and punished. His normals are better, and his Zoning got buffed with no Launching armors, Stamina Consumption, and Stamina Steal on hit. Also now has 2 Hits of armor while trapped in corner.
How did Kenshi Balanced get nerfed again? was it because we only lost Armor on Karma Eruption? Yes that hurt but honestly he still has Normal Rising karma and it has a way better hitbox, so thats fixed, and it still AA's he could use a better AA but honestly all AA's are much easier if times right. His Standing 1/B1/4/D2 all work very well for AA's even against Kotal JIP1 and Alien JIP2 and Sub Zero JIP1.
Lets look at Patch Notes again. so we can really understand what happened because im seeing confusion. and i am baffled that Kenshi Mains are claiming Buffs equal Kenshi is worse now? What world does TYM Kenshi mains live in where everything is opposite?
Kenshi - B+2 recovery reduced by 5 frames (now he has a better mid that is Plus on block) Buff
Kenshi- F+4 is now +4 on block (up from +2) (Great Stagger and a great change for foosties and corner pressure) Buff
Kenshi- 4, 4, 1, 2 now does 7 damage (up from 5) the last hit 441(2) does more damage now. Buff
Kenshi- various combo damage scaling adjustments. this was done across the board so it doesn't effect him to much since they buffed normal moves damage. Slight Nerf
Kenshi- Sword Dance & Blade-Nado no longer has armor. UniversalNerf (Stealth Buff)
Note:
Not a nerf since its universal, Kenshi is not the only one who lost this. and Blade-Nado gained 5 additional frames of hit advantage and Sword Dance is now safe on block. thats a buff in any standard.
Kenshi - Blade-Nado is now +47 on hit (up from +42) Buff
Kenshi- Sword Dance is now -7 on block (up from -12) Made a move safe on block. Buff
Kenshi (Balanced)- Spirit Push is now -10 on block (up from -15) made it 5 less frames on block, and has great pushback, mostly un-punishable against most and most distances is safe. Buff
Kenshi (Balanced) - Spirit Charge now has 2 hits of armor and increased recovery frames by 5.Buff
Kenshi (Balanced) - Spirit Charge is now +3 on block (up from -2) went from negative to Plus 3 on block and has 2 hits of armor hmm thats a pretty big Buff
Kenshi (Balanced) - Telekinetic Slice & Telekinetic Slash have 4 less recovery frames on miss. so less recovery frames thats a huge Buff
Kenshi (Balanced)- Telekinetic Slash has a different reaction which can allow for combos afterwards. Follow up and comboable off a full screen overhead? Buff & Buff
Kenshi (Balanced)- fixed a bug which could cause Tele-Flurry & Tele-Beatdownhit regions could be misaligned. Fixed whiffing issues on certain combos with TF and EX TF? Buff
Kenshi (Balanced) - Karma Eruption NO longer has armor and is now -2 on block (down from -17) Universal Nerf on Armor but made the move not punishable. Buff
Note:
yeah he lost armor, but its a universal nerf to armor launchers. get over it and realize that part is not a nerf because everyone lost it. all characters lost its Defense and Offense from Launching armors. not only Kenshi.
Kenshi (Balanced) - Tele-Beatdown is now +1 on block (up from -9) and has increased pushback. 10 frames better than it was, and is also plus on block, and if used high in air can make it more plus than 1 like every move in this game in air, the higher the more plus. and then more pushback. Huge buff that allows a follow up. Buff++
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Now im not seeing this Nerf everyone is talking about. in fact every change for Balanced is great. I am not saying Kenshi Balaned is top tier or anything guys. im saying why are we qacting like he is worse when the universal changes made his zoning better and nearly everything he got in Balanced helps him in this new meta. I do understand That Rising KArma nerf does hurt a bit, but they replaced it with EX Push and gave him Plus on Block Frames to boot. Kenjustsu is definitely worse now, and dropped a bit. I don't use Possessed but he has a similar move that Balanced got Soul Charge. so all that are saying Possessed got better just remember he only got a little compared to Balanced. and we will need much more time to grind matchups and learn meta changes and where Kenshi variation is in the new Tier list. Give it a couple months. but please stop with the Balanced is garbage talk 2 days after patch. from what everyone sees logically is he recieved massive buffs and Kenshi's acting like Buffs are Nerfs makes the rest of us look bad.
Food For Thought. I really hope all the Top Players and community stays the Fuck off Kenshi and doesn't try to tier whore my character's stay off Raiden and Sub Zero as well.
thanks for this can you make a BnB video? we really need an updated Combo tutorial for Balanced now that he has Plus on block strings that are Plus 4, and better normals imagine the new high damage combos he has in corner with this. Like how Sub Zero GM got massive buffs to combos in fact Brady calls his new easy combos Potato Combos LMAO.
first of all Kenshi players aying Kenshi Balanced is good "Is Not Downplaying LOL" its Up-playing the correct term! Second how is it that only the Kenshi Community can bitch about solid buffs. Every other character gets nerfed to shit. and Kenshi mains can make it sound like Poor kenshi when he gets buffs that actually help him. Who cares if he has a few weaknesses.(I don't want Dirt with kenshi or a broke character. I want and honest character that works to get that win) what do you want. a perfect character? Tele-Flurry has less Recovery and is faster. Overhead Slash is faster and has less miss and Recovery. Overhead slash also has more hit advantage and now on EX can launch and also grants follow up now. Push is basically safe anywhere and EX push is positive on block, and grants follow up and launches almost full screen! Only flaw of EX push is it can be NJP'ed on a hard Read and punished. His normals are better, and his Zoning got buffed with no Launching armors, Stamina Consumption, and Stamina Steal on hit. Also now has 2 Hits of armor while trapped in corner.
How did Kenshi Balanced get nerfed again? was it because we only lost Armor on Karma Eruption? Yes that hurt but honestly he still has Normal Rising karma and it has a way better hitbox, so thats fixed, and it still AA's he could use a better AA but honestly all AA's are much easier if times right. His Standing 1/B1/4/D2 all work very well for AA's even against Kotal JIP1 and Alien JIP2 and Sub Zero JIP1.
Lets look at Patch Notes again. so we can really understand what happened because im seeing confusion. and i am baffled that Kenshi Mains are claiming Buffs equal Kenshi is worse now? What world does TYM Kenshi mains live in where everything is opposite?
Kenshi - B+2 recovery reduced by 5 frames (now he has a better mid that is Plus on block) Buff
Kenshi- F+4 is now +4 on block (up from +2) (Great Stagger and a great change for foosties and corner pressure) Buff
Kenshi- 4, 4, 1, 2 now does 7 damage (up from 5) the last hit 441(2) does more damage now. Buff
Kenshi- various combo damage scaling adjustments. this was done across the board so it doesn't effect him to much since they buffed normal moves damage. Slight Nerf
Kenshi- Sword Dance & Blade-Nado no longer has armor. UniversalNerf (Stealth Buff)
Note:
Not a nerf since its universal, Kenshi is not the only one who lost this. and Blade-Nado gained 5 additional frames of hit advantage and Sword Dance is now safe on block. thats a buff in any standard.
Kenshi - Blade-Nado is now +47 on hit (up from +42) Buff
Kenshi- Sword Dance is now -7 on block (up from -12) Made a move safe on block. Buff
Kenshi (Balanced)- Spirit Push is now -10 on block (up from -15) made it 5 less frames on block, and has great pushback, mostly un-punishable against most and most distances is safe. Buff
Kenshi (Balanced) - Spirit Charge now has 2 hits of armor and increased recovery frames by 5.Buff
Kenshi (Balanced) - Spirit Charge is now +3 on block (up from -2) went from negative to Plus 3 on block and has 2 hits of armor hmm thats a pretty big Buff
Kenshi (Balanced) - Telekinetic Slice & Telekinetic Slash have 4 less recovery frames on miss. so less recovery frames thats a huge Buff
Kenshi (Balanced)- Telekinetic Slash has a different reaction which can allow for combos afterwards. Follow up and comboable off a full screen overhead? Buff & Buff
Kenshi (Balanced)- fixed a bug which could cause Tele-Flurry & Tele-Beatdownhit regions could be misaligned. Fixed whiffing issues on certain combos with TF and EX TF? Buff
Kenshi (Balanced) - Karma Eruption NO longer has armor and is now -2 on block (down from -17) Universal Nerf on Armor but made the move not punishable. Buff
Note:
yeah he lost armor, but its a universal nerf to armor launchers. get over it and realize that part is not a nerf because everyone lost it. all characters lost its Defense and Offense from Launching armors. not only Kenshi.
Kenshi (Balanced) - Tele-Beatdown is now +1 on block (up from -9) and has increased pushback. 10 frames better than it was, and is also plus on block, and if used high in air can make it more plus than 1 like every move in this game in air, the higher the more plus. and then more pushback. Huge buff that allows a follow up. Buff++
Changed format so we can see it better and changed color for stand out effect.
Now im not seeing this Nerf everyone is talking about. in fact every change for Balanced is great. I am not saying Kenshi Balaned is top tier or anything guys. im saying why are we qacting like he is worse when the universal changes made his zoning better and nearly everything he got in Balanced helps him in this new meta. I do understand That Rising KArma nerf does hurt a bit, but they replaced it with EX Push and gave him Plus on Block Frames to boot. Kenjustsu is definitely worse now, and dropped a bit. I don't use Possessed but he has a similar move that Balanced got Soul Charge. so all that are saying Possessed got better just remember he only got a little compared to Balanced. and we will need much more time to grind matchups and learn meta changes and where Kenshi variation is in the new Tier list. Give it a couple months. but please stop with the Balanced is garbage talk 2 days after patch. from what everyone sees logically is he recieved massive buffs and Kenshi's acting like Buffs are Nerfs makes the rest of us look bad.
Food For Thought. I really hope all the Top Players and community stays the Fuck off Kenshi and doesn't try to tier whore my character's stay off Raiden and Sub Zero as well.
thanks for this can you make a BnB video? we really need an updated Combo tutorial for Balanced now that he has Plus on block strings that are Plus 4, and better normals imagine the new high damage combos he has in corner with this. Like how Sub Zero GM got massive buffs to combos in fact Brady calls his new easy combos Potato Combos LMAO.
Where the fuck did I say that people like you, who were saying Kenshi is good, are downplaying? I said "for MOST people in this thread that say "Kenshi is good stop downplaying". Now judging by the way you type up your fucking essays here, I take it you don't grammar well. So what those quotation marks mean is that anything in between these things "" is what I'm quoting. I'm saying that you are telling us Kenshi is good and to stop downplaying.
Now as for what you've said about "Tele Flurry being faster and having less recovery" that is a straight up lie. You also said "overhead slash is faster and has more hit advantage". This is another lie. "EX Push is positive now and also grants a follow up." yet again that is a lie. While it is plus on block true, it does not allow for a follow up. In actuality they took away the ability for any follow-up in the corner making it simply a knockdown. Not even a hard knockdown. "His normals are better." literally only one of those buffed normals is worth using. F4 is a really solid move no doubt, but can you honestly tell me that B2 and 4412 are good normals to use now? Those 2 out of the 3 normals that got buffed are dogshit worthless.
So not only are you upplaying Kenshi, you are lying about what he got in this patch. You even did a run down off his buffs and still left those lies right above it.
Now all those buffs that he got may seem good when listed but show me you taking down a really good player who knows the MU before saying Kenshi is good and for us to stop downplaying. Show us how we're supposed to effectively use these buffs and how to play Kenshi the right way and win or place well in a tournament with Kenshi and nothing but Kenshi and we'll shut out mouths about how good or bad Kenshi is.
Where the fuck did I say that people like you, who were saying Kenshi is good, are downplaying? I said "for MOST people in this thread that say "Kenshi is good stop downplaying". Now judging by the way you type up your fucking essays here, I take it you don't grammar well. So what those quotation marks mean is that anything in between these things "" is what I'm quoting. I'm saying that you are telling us Kenshi is good and to stop downplaying.
Now as for what you've said about "Tele Flurry being faster and having less recovery" that is a straight up lie. You also said "overhead slash is faster and has more hit advantage". This is another lie. "EX Push is positive now and also grants a follow up." yet again that is a lie. While it is plus on block true, it does not allow for a follow up. In actuality they took away the ability for any follow-up in the corner making it simply a knockdown. Not even a hard knockdown. "His normals are better." literally only one of those buffed normals is worth using. F4 is a really solid move no doubt, but can you honestly tell me that B2 and 4412 are good normals to use now? Those 2 out of the 3 normals that got buffed are dogshit worthless.
So not only are you upplaying Kenshi, you are lying about what he got in this patch. You even did a run down off his buffs and still left those lies right above it.
Now all those buffs that he got may seem good when listed but show me you taking down a really good player who knows the MU before saying Kenshi is good and for us to stop downplaying. Show us how we're supposed to effectively use these buffs and how to play Kenshi the right way and win or place well in a tournament with Kenshi and nothing but Kenshi and we'll shut out mouths about how good or bad Kenshi is.
im not gonna prove shit to you, i said what is true i don't have to make a video because most kenshi's make buffs sound like he is worse. and from Day 1 kandshi got buffs. From day 1 to now his TF and OH Slash has gotten fater and Safer. no doubt not a lie, when you look at it they way i said and ment from day one kenshi to current, his moves in balanced has gottn much fater and less recovery. So stop saying im lieing because im not. im telling facts. he got buffs before this patch remember? and TF and OH slash and Push all got faster and less recovery, not just this patch ALL Patches combined made those changes true and my statements true, thats not what i was saying man, i wans't talking about you either, not to be personal. i did quote you but i was referring to everyone in general.
And in my belief i think Balanced is better in this patch than he has ever been. im not saying he is TOP 3 or anythning, just better and Zoning is much better, he did get hurt losing EX Rising Karma but is definitely better off this patch than before and i think he needs to not have Launching armor like the rest. i think that shit was broke with all characters. and no excuse should allow some character to keep it.
Just because some character's use them defensively does not mean they should keep it when everyone else lost it. he can be adjusted in other was to compensate for poor defense.
Ohh and man don't attack my grammer, thats not cool, and why do you even care, do you have a OCD problem about it? man i was just saying what i believe to be true and my view points. we may differ and i think you believe in your statements just like i do.
but maybe we should just back off of it. say nothing about the character and let us have a couple months to see how he comes out of this before making MU and tier lists statements day 2 after patch?
"Overhead Slash is faster and has less miss and Recovery" LIE.
"Tele-Flurry has less Recovery and is faster" LIE, intelligence insulting double lie in fact, that deserves to stop reading your post.
" Overhead slash also has more hit advantageand now on EX can launch and also grants follow up now" LIE.
"Push is basically safe anywhere and EX push is positive on block, and grants follow up and launches almost full screen!" LIE.
"yeah he lost armor, but its a universal nerf to armor launchers. get over it and realize that part is not a nerf because everyone lost it. all characters lost its Defense and Offense from Launching armors. not only Kenshi." LIE, find why just below your avatar image.
I could continue, and mention all those buffs like +1 on block exteleflurry that you naively overestimate, but I will summarize in these terms:
I have seen, through all the game's life, a long list of Kenshi prophets (I'm not going to give names) saying "the character is good", "the character is better after this patch", "the character is underrated, you all downplay", etc, etc, etc, many of them expressing themselves in similar terms like you, with misguiding information and straight up lies, backing their statemens with 0 real experience, just theory crafting. What in the end happens, is that all of them disappear in the shadows having proved nothing and realizing the truth, Kenshi remains being trash (now more than ever), and we lose time.
Just consider, only for a moment, that if people using this character for 18 months (including the only player that has had tournament success with this piece of shit that Balanced is) all agree in saying that Balanced is not only bad, but WORSE in this patch, maybe, ONLY maybe, we have a point and know what we are talking about.
I said exrising karma losing armor is as devastating for Balanced's gameplan as if Sub's clone let projectiles go throught it, because people for some reason fail to understand how vital that move is for the variation.
I've made up my mind. In my opinion, he still isn't that good. Teleflurry would have needed big adjustments. But who cares? Lets stop beating a dead horse.
I've made up my mind. In my opinion, he still isn't that good. Teleflurry would have needed big adjustments. But who cares? Lets stop beating a dead horse.
I was told fisticuffs was a dead horse. And now he's finally good and even candidate for best variation.
Nrs has said more patches will come. Our voice must be heard, things don't change if people remain silent. It's obvious that Balanced has no place in the game as he is now, our duty as players is to point out his flaws and propose rational solutions to fix him.
Now let's hope they don't ignore it lol, not only my voice of course, but the voice of the majority of Kenshi players that are still shocked about this situation that noone saw coming.
I contemplated the possibility of him not improving in this patch...but getting worse? Not even in my worst nightmare xD
We had a loooong road until today and seeing that he might end up like this is beyond depressing.
Personally, I like to hear all points of view, and if someone thinks Kenshi is ok now, i'm all ears to hear the reasoning.
Unless they are based on weak assumptions or straight up lies, as certain comments in the thread show. I have no patience to stand that after 18 months of agony.
I remember when Kenshi, Takeda, and Kitana were considered bottom 3 in the first version of the game.
Fast forward to now, and Kenshi after a bazillion buffs is still meh, Takeda was buffed to top tier and has stayed there for a year, and Kitana is godlike now with ridiculous tools added.
can you make a BnB video? we really need an updated Combo tutorial for Balanced now that he has Plus on block strings that are Plus 4, and better normals imagine the new high damage combos he has in corner with this. Like how Sub Zero GM got massive buffs to combos in fact Brady calls his new easy combos Potato Combos LMAO.
